The Crystal Caves - The Yoshi Social Thread

[Eternal Yoshi]

Every character needs one of these right?

Well feel free to speculate on what else has changed about Yoshi here.

 

[-Whiplash-]

I hope Yoshi is more like his Smash 64 counterpart then melee or brawls, but I doubt it.

In that game he was a beast though. It would be nice if they at least buffed the explosions on his eggs to levels they were in that game. In melee and brawl the range and power was way less then in 64 and I wasn't a fan.

 

[Alex Night]

That whole time when I saw him in the trailer... "Denver! The Last Dinosaur!" xD I can't wait to have Yoshi back in my life!... Until my Mario sacrifices him off cliffs. lol

 

[Star ☆]

I was quite disappointed to see that Up B remains. I love the Egg toss and all but I would much rather see the Egg Roll get replaced by said Egg Toss then for Yoshi to get a new Up B in return.

 

[jayeldeee]

Make that song a brstm man.

I was quite disappointed to see that Up B remains. I love the Egg toss and all but I would much rather see the Egg Roll get replaced by said Egg Toss then for Yoshi to get a new Up B in return.

I feelz. But then again, it is nice to play Yoshi for who he is.

I wonder if his down-b will be cancelable like Bowser's.

 

[ViewtifulHoe242]

I was quite disappointed to see that Up B remains. I love the Egg toss and all but I would much rather see the Egg Roll get replaced by said Egg Toss then for Yoshi to get a new Up B in return.

yoshi egg throw in the yoshi games were badass linear death balls that moved roughly as quick as robs laser, and they bounced off walls three times before vanishing, getting stronger each time but in smash yoshi got party balloons to throw yoshi still has alot of potential for positive change but in the end they cant implement drastic change because it would disappoint yoshis melee mains, all two of them... bcuz melee

 

[-Whiplash-]

yoshi egg throw in the yoshi games were badass linear death balls that moved roughly as quick as robs laser, and they bounced off walls three times before vanishing, getting stronger each time but in smash yoshi got party balloons to throw yoshi still has alot of potential for positive change but in the end they cant implement drastic change because it would disappoint yoshis melee mains, all two of them... bcuz melee

Dude, Yoshi's egg throw is the best and most aimable projectle in smash 64 (at least IMO), With Yoshi in melee I can hit you anywhere as long as you are about half the distance of final away from me.

In 64 it's much the same except more stiff, however the explosions in that game are massive and do decent damage and knock back and are the perfect edge gaurding tool. That's why they should have the hit boxes and damage from 64 with the control of melee (Maybe the control of brawl, but I don't remember how they were in brawl)

 

[Kati]

lol not changing them to resemble canon bcuz melee is hardly the reason.

Single player mechanics are entirely different from pvp multiplayer. In single player game, it is always one character versus thousands. Enemy's projectiles are always dodgeable, but the player's are always instant.

Samus' beams and missiles would be so broken if they resembled anything close canon. Really, any projectile character in smash never has to windup before shooting in their respective game, or worry about the enemy dodging it (usually at least).

 

[Banjodorf]

Still waiting for those Black/White Yoshi colors. I'm hoping, REALLY hoping they're there. Although having to add them myself wouldn't be awful, but still...

 

[GamerGuy09]

I want a remade Up-B so it works like it does in the Yoshi Island games. You can charge and aim it and it bounces off walls and ground!

 

[Nikes]

PM Yoshi change list so far:
*Double jump cancelling
*Dthrow combos into stuff
*64 Utilt
*Melee Nair
*Egg rolls speed increased, can break out of it quickly
*Can jump out of shield

When they release the next PM update I plan to make a thread that goes indepth for his new ATs and their uses.

Also, that muuusiic <3

 

[jayeldeee]

PM Yoshi change list so far:
*Double jump cancelling

Okay, I'm not crazy. I thought this was the case.

 

[splat]

Pretty please?

 

[standardtoaster]

I was quite disappointed to see that Up B remains. I love the Egg toss and all but I would much rather see the Egg Roll get replaced by said Egg Toss then for Yoshi to get a new Up B in return.

how does egg toss even make sense as a sideB input lol

 

[esoterics]

I've always been disappointed by Yoshi's recovery, so I wish they would have done this:
Repurpose the back-throw to work like the current Nuetral B
Change the egg toss to Neutral B
Change the current Double jump to the Up B, add hitboxes to Yoshi's feet, make it cancelable into aerials, and don't add a special fall state at the end (simmilar to Mewtwo).
Change the double jump to a standard double jump
It may seem silly at first, but it solves the issue of Yoshi being gimped easily.

 

[ScubaF_ingSteve]

I really hope that up-d egg toss is like brawls. It felt really smooth in brawl and jump canceling them into a reverse was always nice for quick turn around pressure despite how mediocre he was as a character. I have really high hopes for him in 3.0, OoS alone makes me giddy.

 

[Veishi336]

anyone thought that yoshi's neutral b would be a good recovery asset if you could use it similar to zss' laser whip Fwrd B?

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

I've always been disappointed by Yoshi's recovery, so I wish they would have done this:
Repurpose the back-throw to work like the current Nuetral B
Change the egg toss to Neutral B
Change the current Double jump to the Up B, add hitboxes to Yoshi's feet, make it cancelable into aerials, and don't add a special fall state at the end (simmilar to Mewtwo).
Change the double jump to a standard double jump
It may seem silly at first, but it solves the issue of Yoshi being gimped easily.

Changing around specials like that screws with muscle memory far too much and is a very big nono.

 

[Sol_Vent]

PM Yoshi change list so far:

This is a rather tentative observation, but Fair looks like it comes out faster than Melee/Brawl.

Hmm... I really feel like playing every Yoshi game right about now. I guess it's marathon time. Classwork is stupid anyway.

 

[Sashimi]

Honestly, Yoshi's recovery is fine.

I'm looking forward to the return of edge-cancelled eggs and jumping out of shield (although I'll miss parrying). Also, Yoshi's Nair looks so good!

 

[trash?]

actually not... really, no. arguably, his basically nonexistent recovery mixed in with not being able to jump OoS was sort of the dealbreaker for him in melee, because you hit yoshi out once after he uses that jump, he's boned

like if you watch aMSa play, he'll spend like 30 seconds doing crazy techskill, and then he gets hit offstage once after his double jump and he's dead right then and there

 

[esoterics]

Changing around specials like that screws with muscle memory far too much and is a very big nono.

That's the main issue. I just think that Yoshi's recovery is currently way too predictable and simple to gimp.

 

[Lukingordex]

Yoshi's recovery in brawl is pretty good,it does sucks in both melee and smash 64 though.

Honestly,I think Yoshi would be already a badass character if they just combined his best things from each smash game to make a unique Yoshi.

Looks like he's going to be even better than that.

 

[GunBlaze]

I really hope that up-d egg toss is like brawls.

Maybe if you hold B you'll be boosted upward, like Brawl Egg Toss.

 

[Deviljho]

From what I saw in the trailer, yoshi's second jump has more armor, plowing through Roy's nair.

 

[B1ackJack]

Noticed that they didn't use Yoshi's back air in his portion of the video. I wonder if it'll be like Melee's/Brawl's or if they'll change it to the 64 b-air. I would love to see that, and I think that they would since they already gave Yoshi the 64 up tilt and haven't been afraid to reimplement moves from 64 before (i.e. Pikachu's b-air).

 

[jayeldeee]

That's the main issue. I just think that Yoshi's recovery is currently way too predictable and simple to gimp.

I don't think you're understanding the point he's trying to make... Never mind, read that wrong. Disregard.

 

[Sashimi]

I'd prefer Melee Bair, but the 64 one was decent too.

 

[Nikes]

I'd prefer Melee Bair, but the 64 one was decent too.

Why Melees? Can't think of anything it has over Brawls tbh.

 

[Sol_Vent]

I'd expect that bair would be either Brawl's or Brawl's with the last hit popping the opponent upward like in Melee.

64's bair seems like it would be redundant if nair is as good as it should be. Then again, that's only if they keep it roughly the same and if I'm remembering its properties correctly.

 

[Mr.Pickle]

From what I saw in the trailer, yoshi's second jump has more armor, plowing through Roy's nair.

It shouldn't have more armor to my knowledge. What you're seeing is most likely his knockback being reduced after his armor was broken, it does that in melee.

The question I'm curious about is that since yoshi can jump Oos, have any other properties been changed about his shield?

 

[Deviljho]

^^ Really? It looked like it... I'm probably wrong.

I was fine with melee back air. I haven't seen 64's back air, or Brawls back air. If they're good I'll be fine with it.

 

[esoterics]

[Yoshi's] basically nonexistent recovery ... was sort of the dealbreaker for him in melee, because you hit yoshi out once after he uses that jump, he's boned

This could all be solved if he could get his double jump back when hit. Honestly, not giving the double jump back to Yoshi is like giving Mario only his Double Jump and his cape to recover.

 

[Sashimi]

Why Melees? Can't think of anything it has over Brawls tbh.

I don't remember much about Brawl Bair (although it felt a little weird), but Melee's was definitely worth keeping, unless Brawl's is better. With Melee you can combo into Nair or Up-tilt depending on the character, and if they shield it you can land behind them to prevent shield-grabs.

The 64 one was cool too, but as people have said, it shouldn't be necessary the way Nair looks now.

 

[Lukingordex]

Brawl bair is basically melee bair with better range but less combo possibilities.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Brawl bair is basically melee bair with better range but less combo possibilities.

PM Bair is basically Brawl bair animation, Melee hitbox settings, and better placed hitboxes. Ultimately the best option for the move.

 

[ScubaF_ingSteve]

So no lift on the egg toss which is a big shame.

 

[Lukingordex]

PM Bair is basically Brawl nair, Melee hitbox settings, and better placed hitboxes. Ultimately the best option for the move.

hm what? PM bair with brawl nair animation?

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Yeah I made a typo. It's Brawl nair animation.

 

[Nikes]

Actually, they tweaked the Nair animation a bit so he sticks his foot further out like Melee, Brawls Nair his sole is more vertically aligned.