Most recent AC tier list:
S: ED, TE
A: MI
B: MA, PO, JA, SL
C: SO, KY, CH, FA, BA, AX, AN, VE, DI, IN, ZA, RO, AB, OS
D: JO, BR
S: ED, TE
A: MI
B: MA, PO, JA, SL
C: SO, KY, CH, FA, BA, AX, AN, VE, DI, IN, ZA, RO, AB, OS
D: JO, BR
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The BlazBlue Thread: all the imports!
- Thread starter Lythium
- Start date
Pitzer
The Young Lion
LivewiresXe
Smash Hero
Weird, after your post I went and looked for one and it actually had Venom and Faust in B and Potemkin in C. Either way, having him do twice as much damage in one hit as your Millia does in 25 (since Millia's not known for having super tank defense) is quite discouraging.
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
Did not know that about Faust and Millia, Scamp. I never really followed GG's competitive scene until later iterations.
No wonder people griped about my Faust in Midnight Carnival. XD
Edit:
Could you elucidate as to why they're both considered S tier? I'm genuinely curious.
Smooth Criminal
AC+ has no balance changes from AC.
LivewiresXe
Smash Hero
Frankly, I didn't even know there WAS an AC+.
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
Last I checked, Baiken was 4th on the tier list for AC...
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Last I checked, the AC tier list is garbage, because it's results based, and nobody plays Guilty Gear much anymore.
This is why 85% of the cast is in C tier.
This is why 85% of the cast is in C tier.
Yoshara
Smash Lord
Actually, the reason why a large number of the cast is in C tier is because they are not as good as the characters in "S" "A" or "B" (like every tierlist), but keep in mind that it being AC they are still pretty damn viable and the gap between tiers is not anywhere near like the difference in CS'.
P.S. The latest tier list (was done in April 2010) was done by some of the best players in Japan, where they still actually play the game.
Actually I think part of the reason why much of the cast is in the "C" tier is because most of the characters have a wide variety of good and bad matchups. When you factor that the Japanese play a lot of single-elimination tournaments it makes it much harder to win with that character.
A.B.A. is probably the biggest example of this. Most of her matchups are either strongly in her favor or strongly against her.
Anyway, this is why I like to look at the matchup chart instead of the tier list. Nowadays people tend to think the two are the same thing since matchup charts are often used as a tier list but it's really not the same thing. Honest!
A.B.A. is probably the biggest example of this. Most of her matchups are either strongly in her favor or strongly against her.
Anyway, this is why I like to look at the matchup chart instead of the tier list. Nowadays people tend to think the two are the same thing since matchup charts are often used as a tier list but it's really not the same thing. Honest!
I pretty much agree 100% with Scamp.
Guilty Gear has some pretty severe/ridiculous matchups.
Guilty Gear has some pretty severe/ridiculous matchups.
Minato
穏やかじゃない
I wonder why we haven't gotten a new Guilty Gear tier list after SBO. Don't they usually do a post SBO one?
They probably did one too recently for that.
The last Arcadia one came out less than six months ago, I think.
The last Arcadia one came out less than six months ago, I think.
Minato
穏やかじゃない
Just decided to pop in BBCS and go to Challenge Mode. I finished up Tsubaki's easily.
Even though I use Tsubaki, it was still a lot easier than I thought.
Even though I use Tsubaki, it was still a lot easier than I thought.
DLO
Smash Journeyman
Bought CS yesterday and my 360 decides to scratch it for who knows reasons. The game still works tho, i can't see some pics on the gallery and japanese voices online freeze my game. I haven't got Game Protection from gamestop when i bought it, but i hope they will help me.
So why is it that Bang's command throw is untechable online? It's the cheapest **** in the world when they throw on a purple grab at the end of a combo that magically can't be teched out of.
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
*wishes Hazama's command throw had more range*
Chances are, if my crotch has to be touching your face to land the move, and the proration is garbage, it's usually not worth using.
Woo for invincible startup though!
Chances are, if my crotch has to be touching your face to land the move, and the proration is garbage, it's usually not worth using.
Woo for invincible startup though!
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
BLOODY FA---
GOTCHA!
ANY LAST WORDS?
That's pretty much what happens to a buddy of mine every time he uses that move against my roomie's Tager. XD
Smooth Criminal
Yoshara
Smash Lord
It's a reversal, and it is used to build meter, seeing as proration does not affect meter gain.
EDIT: In fact, pretty much all of Hazama's meterless combos are for building meter.
You can grab people when they're in hit or blockstun with command grabs. If you do, they'll get the purple exclamation points over their head and they'll be able to tech it if they're paying attention.
Normally, however, command grabs aren't techable.
Yaya
Smash Champion
Whether you are high or low tier in AC pretty much depends on how well you do against Potemkin. Robo's matchup with him is 3-7 (D=), so Robo is in C tier.
DaiAndOh
Smash Ace
We in East Coast also still play the game. Recent tournament vids? Good turnouts? Quality (though not Japanese...) players? Check all 3.Actually, the reason why a large number of the cast is in C tier is because they are not as good as the characters in "S" "A" or "B" (like every tierlist), but keep in mind that it being AC they are still pretty damn viable and the gap between tiers is not anywhere near like the difference in CS'.
P.S. The latest tier list (was done in April 2010) was done by some of the best players in Japan, where they still actually play the game.
Because online play is where the proest of the pro not named Dacidbro play.
Hazama's command grab is godlike. Not just invincibility or meter building. Zidane does command grab Hotenjin and the full combo does 4-5kish and builds the meter back. Untechable invincible grab that does 4k....not worth it?
I remember the first time he did to me. I asked him after the Hotenjin if this is worth it? He said you tell me.....
I'm pretty sure that Noel's command grab is untechable, but it also whiffs on crouchers, so... I dunno.
I haven't bothered to test it.
I haven't bothered to test it.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
I'm just a scrub at this game, so do not take anything I say all that seriously. I'd like to hear how one does this fancy combo though. :O
That's what I said. :I
I checked the combo thread on DL, but I couldn't find anything that started off of a command throw. Watch a Zidane vid maybe?
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
Wave just confirmed what you said, Lythium. Your post sounded unsure :/
On a side note, how many people like to not tech when Tager combos them? His proration is so bad he'll stop doing damage after a couple of hits, lol.
On a side note, how many people like to not tech when Tager combos them? His proration is so bad he'll stop doing damage after a couple of hits, lol.
Minato
穏やかじゃない
I throw tech whenever I can. It's better than letting him build meter and ending it with a Gadget Finger.
If you mean regular tech, I still do that. Although, I always freak out when Tager gets me in a combo since I don't know what I should do once I'm out. lol
Edit: Actually, any tips for me on how to handle Tager would be great. Not just for when I use Rachel, but just universal tips on how to deal with him.
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
lol, why would I say something along the lines of, "Anyone like getting thrown by Tager and losing health just because?" Of course I mean tech roll, silly. Delayed teching sure beats getting read and then Atomic Collider'd for more damage + less time to abuse magnetism on reset + meter for everybody, yay. btw, I don't really care about Tager with meter unless it's 100. 720 really isn't scary at all to me anymore.
I used to use Rachel in CS until Makoto was released so I can't give especially good advice, but I practice with Tagers all the time. My advice would be to camp him with normals and just flying around, not using projectiles much since Rachel sucks. It's also nice to know that 5B JCs into semi-loopable j.pressure and 3C just plain *****.
My head is empty from universal stuff. Let's have the pros in this thread cover the real tips, lol.
I used to use Rachel in CS until Makoto was released so I can't give especially good advice, but I practice with Tagers all the time. My advice would be to camp him with normals and just flying around, not using projectiles much since Rachel sucks. It's also nice to know that 5B JCs into semi-loopable j.pressure and 3C just plain *****.
My head is empty from universal stuff. Let's have the pros in this thread cover the real tips, lol.
DaiAndOh
Smash Ace
shameless promotion inserted ^____^.
Don't rush him. Lame him. If you have to do something at melee range, space yourself well. Be aware of when he has Spark Bolt and play around it.
Sorry, my bad. To everyone.
I didn't mean to sound rude or obtuse.
Team Stickbug ftw?
I'm just going to go ahead and LOL at the last few pages without quoting anything.
Anyway, I'll come back to Blazblue after I stop being addicted to Unreal Tournament 3 and Starcraft. XD
Anyway, I'll come back to Blazblue after I stop being addicted to Unreal Tournament 3 and Starcraft. XD
That's why I didn't buy Starcraft. It would suck the life out of me.
And my computer, because it sucks.
And my computer, because it sucks.
Rutger
Smash Master
For any 360 players here, it looks like you will finally be getting Valk on 12/7.
Edit: Actually, that's probably for Japan, US shouldn't be too far behind though.
Edit: Actually, that's probably for Japan, US shouldn't be too far behind though.
I got the original game (free iccup version) on my flashdrive, so I can play it at school. :3
I don't have 2 yet.
I'm glad that Valk is coming out before the CSII release, at least. Even though I'm not on 360.
But seriously.
Still. It's the same reason I avoid Minecraft like the plague.
I played Minecraft for a while, but I stopped; it was just too addicting.
Edit: Hey, I'm part of the SSBC dev team (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=152960), and we really need some testers who know how a game should be balanced.
I would really appreciate it if some you guys tried it out. Just use joy2key if you want to use a controller with it.
If you like it, just sign up for the forums and post about any balance changes that are needed.
Edit: Hey, I'm part of the SSBC dev team (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=152960), and we really need some testers who know how a game should be balanced.
I would really appreciate it if some you guys tried it out. Just use joy2key if you want to use a controller with it.
If you like it, just sign up for the forums and post about any balance changes that are needed.