"The Aura is Mine!" Lucario Social Thread! (With More Moderators!)

[MythTrainerInfinity]

I can't recall me fsmashing anyone at 30 for kills. But I have TONS of uair kills at like 50-60

I killed Kami at 34% with a FSmash the other day. I think I did something like that to you the other day too.

Mind you both of you are significantly better than I am, but FSmash ledge reads are so dangerous.

Between FSmash, Aura Sphere and AS Charge we pretty much cover every ledge option.

FSmash has a hitbox on Lucario's body, so if we timed and spaced it to catch ledge rollers we might be able to cover ledge get up and attack at the same time.

Hmmm...

 

[DegynSefer]

As random as this is, I just checked using the exact same set up and yes, he could have easily lived if he DI'd better, but not from holding up. Seriously, DI is not the same in this game. Compared to up or neutral, Diddy went less far when I held left or even DOWN (after he was hit so it's not crouch cancelling).

I know its not the same, the hole point to DI is to hold the opposite direction and either upward or downward depending on the corner your aiming for. im just he HE COULD HAVE lived.

 

[Pentao]

KOing someone while I'm at a really high percent, while they're <80% is something that almost never happens to me. I suppose I am a failure of a Lucario. I have survived to high percents, and then KO'd opponents after getting them to a high percent too though.

 

[Nysyr]

Could be just me but pivot ftilt and fsmash seem to be quicker on startup. Also noticed if you even get a lick of charging frames it comes out significantly slower as he does some silly double wave of his hands.

 

[Pitbuller26]

Could be just me but pivot ftilt and fsmash seem to be quicker on startup. Also noticed if you even get a lick of charging frames it comes out significantly slower as he does some silly double wave of his hands.

I get that feeling of what you mean. Double wave movement on Lucario's hands when he does a charge is most noticeable when you do down smash. Flick the C-stick or smash input without charging, then do it again with a slight charge. If he's close to doing one rep, he'll do the double wave which makes the move come out slower, if not, he'll just do it normally.

 

[Forre]

Do you know anybody that goes by the name Forre? I met him on For Glory and we Lucario ditto'd once (then I went DHD because I'm not a fan of the ditto). He seemed to know what he was doing and wavebounced around a whole lot.

Yeah, that's me. Few guys confirmed my existence already, but had to register here and confirm once more.

Your Lucario seemed to be superior while I was just wavebouncing around, following your Lucario how to make things done. I enjoyed the match because I always love to play against good players and especially loved to see another Lucario player. The funny thing is, I was just complaining to my friends that no one seems to play Lucario, and met you at the same time, playing with Lucario. :D

I left early due the lag which seems to be a case of "no can do" while playing against a Canadian player from Finland. I bet you suffered of it, too. I'm just a little afraid that I develop bad habits while playing with a little too noticeable lag. Great games anyway! If there comes another opportunity to play against you, I think I will want to play more!

And yeah, the matchup is for sure kinda weird, so I understand you. I ditto'd against Loota's Lucario a while ago and despite the fact I was on higher percents all the time, I couldn't win more than just a few of the casuals we played. So some sort of skill gap should still exist on Lucario dittos or I may just have a long way to go...

 

[RT]

Lucario dittos are inherently dumb.

 

[_Malal]

Lucario dittos are inherently fun.

Though I can't beat Lucario reliably without actually playing Lucario in this game compared to brawl...

 

[Kami~]

Lucario ditto king checking in

 

[DegynSefer]

Lucario ditto king checking in

I require some ditto matches from you this Saturday

 

[Kami~]

I require some ditto matches from you this Saturday

lol sure

 

[~Radiance~]

Dittos of all sorts I rather detest, not because they are hard but because im notoriously bad at every ditto ive ever done lol. also hi everyone, been main searching for a while this game. Seems that its taken me a long time to settle on a main but thus far lucario's usefullness of b reversals and other aspects of his character are pulling me here so im settling on Lucario for at least the next few months unless anything changes.

Also hello Degyn its been a while. This is Lawrence from facebook, we added eachother as mutual friends of shiros eons ago lol

 

[DegynSefer]

Dittos of all sorts I rather detest, not because they are hard but because im notoriously bad at every ditto ive ever done lol. also hi everyone, been main searching for a while this game. Seems that its taken me a long time to settle on a main but thus far lucario's usefullness of b reversals and other aspects of his character are pulling me here so im settling on Lucario for at least the next few months unless anything changes.

Also hello Degyn its been a while. This is Lawrence from facebook, we added eachother as mutual friends of shiros eons ago lol

Oh wow, how you been Radiance, indeed it has been ages and now that im back with a new game im finally back and hope to catch up again :D

 

[~Radiance~]

nice dude, Im also sort of playing catch up. when brawl died i never was a melee player so i turned to speedrunning lol, but now that its back im excited to be in it again. Pikachu is still really strong but something about it makes me not want to main the same character again, really excited that lucarios playstyle is fun. Hope to see you around here more!

 

[the king of murder]

Hello masters of the aura, a Ganon main here. Can someone give me good advice how to deal with Luke Skywalker? I got rekt by a very good one in FG. He was doing Uair strings like crazy, pressured me with his b and side-b and when I finally got him to kill percent, he killed me at like 90%.

While it is also my inexperience in that MU(and of that terrifying skill of my opponent) that contributed to my loss, I feel like Lucario is so hard to deal with Ganon and probably a hard matchup for him. Any advice?

 

[Pitbuller26]

Not much advice to give you unfortunately due to Lucario's speed actually being in his favor. Lucario can juggle Ganondorf at any percent because he's so heavy. Due to Ganon's slow run speed, Lucario rarely has to commit and can throw out moves without worrying about getting punished. The best advice I can give for a Ganon main is to not die and let rage build up. If you do that, you could invalidate Aura due to the Triforce of Power kicking in. There is one thing Ganon can do and that's harass Lucario with up airs if you manage to get him in the air.

 

[the king of murder]

Not much advice to give you unfortunately due to Lucario's speed actually being in his favor.

That is sadly true for 100% of the cast against Ganon. My biggest but not only problem is side-bs insane range. Lucario can poke my shield all day long and stays unpunished for it.

Perhaps that is too much to ask for, but maybe anyone of you Luke mains are willing to vs me on the 3ds and tell me what I am doing wrong?

 

[|RK|]

That is sadly true for 100% of the cast against Ganon. My biggest but not only problem is side-bs insane range. Lucario can poke my shield all day long and stays unpunished for it.

Perhaps that is too much to ask for, but maybe anyone of you Luke mains are willing to vs me on the 3ds and tell me what I am doing wrong?

At high aura, Ganon and Lucario both really need to make reads to get their kills off. So it's a matter of outthinking the Lucario. Unlike, say, Sheik, you can kill us before Aura becomes a problem. You are a constant threat - use that. Punish anything - smashes, extreme speed, Force Palm, etc.

 

[Nominate10]

Hello masters of the aura, a Ganon main here. Can someone give me good advice how to deal with Luke Skywalker? I got rekt by a very good one in FG. He was doing Uair strings like crazy, pressured me with his b and side-b and when I finally got him to kill percent, he killed me at like 90%.

While it is also my inexperience in that MU(and of that terrifying skill of my opponent) that contributed to my loss, I feel like Lucario is so hard to deal with Ganon and probably a hard matchup for him. Any advice?

Ganon probably loses this MU but its not hopeless. Ganon is a monster when it comes to killing. You need to focus on killing early (without fishing) and try not to get caught in endlag or shielding too much when lucario's at high percent.

 

[Pitbuller26]

To sum it up, the Ganondorf/Lucario matchup is whoever gets desperate first, loses.

 

[Steam]

Ganon is too scary for me, I just play bowser and laugh at him.

 

[DegynSefer]

Ganon is too scary for me, I just play bowser and laugh at him.

haha i like both of those matchups

 

[Rysir]

Gannondork is like my second favorite match up! He is the only character I can get away with spending lots of time in the air and making frequent use of back air.

 

[Pitbuller26]

Ganon is too scary for me, I just play bowser and laugh at him.

Someone needs to revoke your Triforce of Aura piece.

 

[Steam]

Someone needs to revoke your Triforce of Aura piece.

granted I haven't played against a ganondorf in a long time and pretty much go solo lucario always now.

 

[The Goldenbrawler]

I'm still trying to decide between Greninja or Lucario, 2 of my favorite Pokemon, and I am doing rather decent with both. Plus there's a project I'm working on that needs the answer to this choice. Damn my indecisiveness! >.<

 

[AruaehtfoXela]

Hey guys, I made this account years ago but never used it. I'm Arua, I'm from Iowa and use mostly Lucario in Smash 4 on 3ds (can't afford a wii u lol). ANyway I'm happy to be here and hope to learn alot.

(ᕙ ◕3◕ )づ

 

[MartianMedia]

Hey guys, I made this account years ago but never used it. I'm Arua, I'm from Iowa and use mostly Lucario in Smash 4 on 3ds (can't afford a wii u lol). ANyway I'm happy to be here and hope to learn alot.

(ᕙ ◕3◕ )づ

Woah, someone else from Iowa? Don't see that very often.

 

[Kami~]

Hey guys, I made this account years ago but never used it. I'm Arua, I'm from Iowa and use mostly Lucario in Smash 4 on 3ds (can't afford a wii u lol). ANyway I'm happy to be here and hope to learn alot.

(ᕙ ◕3◕ )づ

Wow I'm so happy to have you among us and I hope we can teach you the ways of the aura.

Also epik town location xD

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

Wavebounced retreating Force Palm post 50% makes Ganon cry.

If Ganon gets shield pressured Lucario can be a bit more aggressive.

Failure to properly DI gives Lucario a UThrow to UAir string that results in death for Ganon around 100%.

Post 50%ish Lucario has AS charge shenanigans facing away at the ledge.

Lucario has combos as low %s too, so... As long as the Lucario minds his spacing and is patient Lucario probably wins 65:35 or 60:40.

 

[SmashRacer]

I'll move this to a new thread

 

[Nominate10]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't training mode not account for Freshness bonus (assuming that's still in this game). Basically it's like the opposite of staling, only for moves that aren't in the stale queue.
Would affect the accuracy of this chart if that's true.

 

[SmashRacer]

Stale and Freshness Bonus is not counted in Training Mode

I'll use Ganon's FSmash as an example

In Training it does 24% no matter how many times you do it

In Vs. Mode it does 25% Fresh and the second time it does 22%

 

[RT]

Correct, staleness and Aura based on stocks is not accounted for in training. The percentages and combos listed are used as a general guide of what to expect and are never truly 100% guaranteed (but pretty much are for the most part).

 

[Nysyr]

Rage isn't listed either, so the higher aura will kill exponentially faster.

 

[RT]

Yeah, rage does change some combos. It'd be extremely tedious to test all combos, ones without rage/Aura/both.

Most people will go beyond standard combos and make them up on the fly. You just need to learn the basic combos so you can build on them as a foundation for future ones.

 

[DegynSefer]

Twitch.tv/fortsmash

Just gonna leave this here if anyone is up for watching me and kami play in tomorrows monthly starts at noon central

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

Watching some of Junebug's matches got me thinking about what we can do with BReversal Aura Sphere...

If someone has bad DI we can FAir to Double Jump to Aura Sphere. It feels like FAir is becoming one of the better options out of UThrow, so think about that.

I wonder if we can frametrap a BReversal Aura Sphere on a shield to grab.

To me at least one of Lucario's greatest struggles in Brawl and Smash 4 is dealing with people in shield, but hmmm with BReversal Aura Sphere the opponent has no choice, but to hold shield or get hit...

 

[Steam]

I love it when people sit in shield against me in this game. Grabs are what lucario lives and dies off of. I hate it when people fall in love with their hitboxes and zone me for days as a result.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Why do you have horrible Rengar stats as your avatar.
Why did we never play before my laptop crapped out, I cud've shown you my sick rengar plays when I enjoyed him more than Kha'zix 6 or so months ago.