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Micaelis

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I'm against the merge (for now). I posted up my argument awhile back. Here's a link.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10614753&postcount=1339

Also, to address the argument that a merged PR entices out of state players more... I guess. But big tournaments do not happen often and they should properly advertise all attendance anyways so the PR is moot.

I'll reiterate that all a PR is/should be for is to create a healthy sense of competition within the community. It is a goal for people to achieve and they go to tournaments to try to get better in hopes of eventually achieving it. Making the PR harder to get on might have negative draw backs. Read my post for my full opinion.
 

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K ur last statement is pretty ******** since GA has never been that inactive except when waba first closed.
note that I'm saying that if there was inactivity, that we would not have a PR. would you agree with this?

Even during the school year we have at least 8/10 of our pr members show up every tourney. The reason i want to wait is cause i see no reason to merge if our smash communities arent active with each other WHICH IS THE POINT OF THE MERGE, CAUSE WE ARE ACTIVE W/ EACH OTHER WE SHOULD BECOME 1.
Okay, so consider this.

-AL has no stable community with exceptions of GA tourneys.
-The strongest members of their community come to our tournaments consistently.
-Even lower ranking members of AL come to GA consistently, and are very find with coming
-The only instances where AL doesn't come is when GA doesn't show interest.
-They are active with us, granted it's not vice versa, it doesn't have to be. GA is a strongpoint of Alabama's community, if we make this official I'm quite sure more of AL will be willing to come to GA, which strengthens us.




If they dont have the ability to show up during school then it just becomes GA pr w/ elev8 and reflex which is dumb since if they wanted and if we allowed them to it could happen.
The answer to this statement is.

"....and?"

Does it matter if a person is inactive and because of that their skill isn't shown? We dropped Rayku even though he's a notable member of the GA PR. Is that dumb? No, because he didn't deserve to be on the PR.

I mean they both go to CSU so they could be considered GA like Billy is considered AL. I also said excluding Reflex and elev8 for a reason. We see them quite often but we dont see anybody from AL frequently at all. In the past year we have seen(besides regs) george twice, zero gamer once, and Kola once. Does this show activity between GA and AL?
You're making their attendance seem bad. While we've only seen them twice and once, how much of that has been recent? A great deal of it, they have shown constant willingness to come to these tournaments. By merging that gives alabama a MUCH larger reasoning to come to our tournaments. If they have no incentive to come to GA, they won't come. IF they do, they will. Especially considering reflex , billy, and elev8 can all give rides to my knowledge, they can all carpool with them.

Not really which is why i wanna wait and see if they come to us more often.
We can wait as long as we want, but with no incentive other than money, only reflex, elev8, and billy will come considering they all get money at these tournaments.

I dont want to be excluding people that could possibly be PR status just cause they cant frequently make the drive.
Once again, Reflex Billy and others make the drive, they would just have to Carpool to my knowledge.

I know if they cant make the drive its their fault but if 80% of AL cant make the drive every tourney then the merge becomes useless and i see no point to it.
The drive is really only two hours or so.. =| I really don't see why you're limiting Alabama so much when it's been shown that if Alabama has interest they will come, they have been doing so for a while.

And also, with this merge, I will still be doing the Georgia PR, so you really aren't losing nothing, just go to tournaments like you usually would.



@micealis - I feel as if you're saying that the PR has no power to strengthening the bond between AL and GA. If it's really that bad, we actually can make a larger list, so that even mid-high players can see how their skill fares against AL.
 

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To lazy to do what u did soooo

"The drive is really only two hours or so.. =| I really don't see why you're limiting Alabama so much when it's been shown that if Alabama has interest they will come, they have been doing so for a while."
- They havent really shown much interest. Like i said only have they recently come and that was only 3 new people. They havent been doing it for a while cause the last time a good amount of AL was active with us was late 08 and early 09. They have only recently come to our monthly and that was cause North Carolina was also coming which made them want to help hype the tourney up. Do u really think they are gonna show up as often once North Carolina doesnt come? TBH idk, i mean they might but i could see things go back to normal where only Billy, Raf, and Luis come.


"Does it matter if a person is inactive and because of that their skill isn't shown? We dropped Rayku even though he's a notable member of the GA PR. Is that dumb? No, because he didn't deserve to be on the PR."
- We didnt drop Rayku considering we never even had him. He has never been on the PR cause he has always requested to stay off it. So this doesnt quite work the same.


"note that I'm saying that if there was inactivity, that we would not have a PR. would you agree with this?"
-But is this really realistic? Do you really think there will be a time when most of GA doesnt come to their own tourneys? I mean i dont think this will ever happen unless usga closes.


"And also, with this merge, I will still be doing the Georgia PR, so you really aren't losing nothing, just go to tournaments like you usually would."
- Idc about losing anything im just thinking about what is actually smart to do. I dont think the merge will work well so im against it.


"-Even lower ranking members of AL come to GA consistently, and are very find with coming
-The only instances where AL doesn't come is when GA doesn't show interest."

~Lower ranking members dont show up to GA consistently......Only Alias has come but that was like twice. Other then him there has been 1 tourney where others have shown up. GA always shows interest in our own tourneys but AL never comes (Once again w/ the exception of Elev8 and Reflex). I really believe they have only come recently cause it was being hyped up w/ North Carolina coming too. I wanna see what happens 2 monthlys and beyond when NC stops showin up. I mean AL is coming this monthly again cause they wanna compete w/ NC as well.
 

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@micealis - I feel as if you're saying that the PR has no power to strengthening the bond between AL and GA. If it's really that bad, we actually can make a larger list, so that even mid-high players can see how their skill fares against AL.
I have no time to argue right now but I think you just view the PR in a lot different manner than me. I see it like this...

Competitive Brawl itself is a community. I meet new people all the time and it's great and there's always a bond between us since we share a similar interest/hobby.

Within the overall community each state has a sub community. This is the community you see often and are often the closest with. A PR is simply a list of the best players in this sub community and adds competition among people in the sub community.

To be more specific, I view Competitive Brawl itself as the true community. Just because people like Luis live in Alabama does not make them less of a friend or part of the community to me. Him being in a different sub community only means I may see him less and don't have to compete with him for a spot on the PR.

Simply put merging the PR does not increase the community for me, only the competition found in the sub community. You could argue that this is Competitive Brawl so that an increase in competition leads to an increase in the community but I'd disagree. Most people show up to a tournament to try to get better but at the same time they go to hang out with the people there and have a fun time. Merging the PR would have varied effects on different people; some would try harder to get on the new harder PR, some would lose hope, and to some it wouldn't matter because they only came to tournaments for the people anyways. I feel like the effects overall would balance and you wouldn't have much of a change. The only possible change would be due to the 3 tournament attendance an AL person might come to more (since the "hub" is in GA according to you) but only if they thought they had a real chance of being on the PR.

I just don't believe that people directly correlate community to the PR. They don't go to the PR page and think... this is the community. The community is who they see at tournaments and everyone they know who plays Brawl. A PR is just select individuals who happen to be good.

Which is why I reiterate that merging the PR is just unnecessary. Most won't even care about it and a lot will probably be against it. So would it really be helping the community out? I'll also reiterate that the PR doesn't make the community, the players do. If you want a better community, be more active in the community, help people plan ahead and get rides, invite new people to the tournaments, etc etc.

To long to read? A PR DOESN'T MAKE THE COMMUNITY OR EVEN SYMBOLIZE IT. MAKE THE COMMUNITY BETTER YOURSELF WITH YOUR OWN ACTIONS. Merging the PR is unnecessary at best.
 

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michael, I think a merged PR might bring more people to the community because
a) a merged PR makes a strong-looking community, which attracts OoSers and people from other regions.
b) more people from OoS means more hype for a tournament, which brings more people to the community.

other than that, your point still stands.
 

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Hmm....With the information I keep reading I can't help but come up with this conclusion.

Guys let's just put this on hold until January. I think that will be plenty enough time to see if we can work this out.
 

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Hmm....With the information I keep reading I can't help but come up with this conclusion.

Guys let's just put this on hold until January. I think that will be plenty enough time to see if we can work this out.
That works.

By the way Micaelis, i'm going to agree to disagree on your statement. We really don't have to argue about it, in the end we're just trying to both help the community, we just have different views about it. I'd rather talk person to person anyways.

Speaking of which.. eeh f it, i'll skype you up
 

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michael, I think a merged PR might bring more people to the community because
a) a merged PR makes a strong-looking community, which attracts OoSers and people from other regions.
b) more people from OoS means more hype for a tournament, which brings more people to the community.

other than that, your point still stands.
Okay, well I have a paper to write and I don't really actually care either way. I'm totally for it actually... just not NOW. So my vote is still no. I just wanted to give people stuff to think on. Just a quick undetailed response...

a) is valid but for most OoS people it's more attendance based than strength based I think and you could advertise that "Alabama is coming" or "Reflex/elev8" are coming anyways... which is pretty much a given now days anyways.

b) is valid too but I mean people should go to every tournament anyways. Stop johning about money and what not. Plan ahead and you can make **** happen. I don't even own a car and I make it to EVERYTHING. People may wonder why Reflex or someone else is so good... well of course he's amazing as is but also it's because he goes to so many tournaments, plays tons of different play styles and people everywhere and gets so much experience. So you say you play Competitive Brawl and want to get better? Then make it happen! All it takes is a serious attitude, smart planning, and experience.

All I'm saying is you're right but people should want to come anyways regardless. Whatever... I can't change the way people approach situations like these sadly. I'm done for tonight.
 

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LOL at the title of this page. I'll try to host one Kola. No guarantees though.

I do want to make it clear Kola, just in case I wasn't clear enough before. I don't want to host a tournament for any power rankings related reason. I honestly think that people put too much importance on the power rankings. I want to host a large tournament so that the AL brawl community doesn't die off completely. We need a new attitude about this though. We shouldn't go to tournaments to prove that we deserve specific spot on the PR. If the PR has become the center of this community, then I believe we have lost our way. We should go to tournaments to have fun with a game we love to play. By all means, play competitively, but do it for the sake of winning and improving. Don't do it so you can get 7th or something just to beat out that other guy going for spot #10 on the PR.

If we do a merged PR, it may be beneficial because our region will look stronger. It will have better known players on it and could incite more OoS players to come to our tournaments. A stronger PR will also be harder to make it onto. I expect that will discourage some people. Like I said though, I don't think that a PR should be the sole basis for going to tournaments anyway.

We could go with what Nice1 said; let's just get rid of the PR and stop stroking our own egos. We don't need to rank ourselves to have fun and play competitively.
 

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I don't think anyone goes to tournaments just to rank up on the power rankings. Well at least I hope not.

xD I always go to tournaments for fun, if people want to move me up on the PR it's just a sweet bonus.


Oh and I'm aware the tournament you may or may host may or may not happen. I just wanted to not add any pressure.
 

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i always ask if you guys would be interested in coming to a tournament in montevallo but no one responds

i wish things were how they use to be when janitor would just post and say "hey who wants a tcs this month?"
and there would be 2 pages of yes and no's from everyone.
then he would host it.

oh... how the AL community has fallen

new al sucks

sorry
 

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I would host one, but I still have no idea how to find a venue.

EDIT: Does it have to be on a Saturday? That really would limit my options of a date.
 

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xD Saturday just happens to work out for a lot of people. If others could give input though that would be awesome. o: Sunday tournaments could be boss
 

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I don't think we could throw a tournament together before the summer ends unfortunately. There's not much time left and the players in Madison don't seem to be very enthusiastic about it. Sorry to get your hopes up. However, Bham is welcome to come up for a smashfest sometime. We play like every two days.
 

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Well since school is about to begin again that means Auburn can start throwing tourney's again yay. And just because I won't be in Auburn this semester doesn't mean I'm not the (self appointed) head of the AU smash crew. Get ready because I have some really good ideas for this year:laugh:
 

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Well since school is about to begin again that means Auburn can start throwing tourney's again yay. And just because I won't be in Auburn this semester doesn't mean I'm not the (self appointed) head of the AU smash crew. Get ready because I have some really good ideas for this year:laugh:
I do too! It involves Pika destroying everyone.

I always thought Billy was the head of our Auburn smash crew. Everyone seemed to follow behind him whenever we walked somewhere, and he's the best player in Auburn.
 

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qac locking is for the birds now infinite footstool lock is where its at....and believe me I will figure it out muhahahahaha right after I get my diddy kong better

@ Cam The AU smash crew consists of Me, Billy, Wulfy(if he's not doing DDR stuff), Brannon, and Will....and I now extend an invitation to you since you are a really good player. Also there is no head of the crew we all have the same amount of authority.
 

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I do too! It involves Pika destroying everyone.

I always thought Billy was the head of our Auburn smash crew. Everyone seemed to follow behind him whenever we walked somewhere, and he's the best player in Auburn.
Pika? It's all about Sheik's Dacus

That's not it at all. Usually, we'll sit for 10 minutes talking about where we are going to go hang out, but we don't leave until one of us gets up to go..... And you guys are slow walkers :p. Also, IDK about that best player part, there are some good people that go to Auburn.
 

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You were never with us when we went places. :laugh:

@Billy shutup you know your the best player at Auburn....even though Will was catching up with you with his falco. And how are we supposed to keep up with you you walk like 8miles an hour.
 

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You were never with us when we went places. :laugh:

@Billy shutup you know your the best player at Auburn....even though Will was catching up with you with his falco. And how are we supposed to keep up with you you walk like 8miles an hour.
>.< You never invited me.
 

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elev8 all about dat play 2 win.


falcos.

i can tech your cg to dairs.

get at me.
Lol, I thought for a minute that said "teach cg to dairs." I was like, they should know how to do that already Slam!

One of my friends who I think mains Pikachu learned that infinite footstool qac combo, but can never get it off in a match. Lmao.
 

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no way dude its like you gotta run forward after you grab them then tap or press the x button or up on the joystick then simontaneously flick down on the yellow analog stick.

(:
 

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no way dude its like you gotta run forward after you grab them then tap or press the x button or up on the joystick then simontaneously flick down on the yellow analog stick.

(:
I know for a fact that you are talking about DK.

obv
 

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lol dthrow to dair to bite/ jump bite/ block dk's upb onto stage/ fart


why do all dk's upb onto stage

that **** dont work anymore
 

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i love fighting DK's

probably my favorite charecter to fight.

i like snake too, though.

did you know that upsmash is really good against wario?
with snake, that is.
not DK

lolDK
 

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upsmash is good against characters that like to be in the air

except metaknight
well i guess it can utilized against mk
 
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