^ I would agree with this staatement here. ^
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The 2006-2008 Tier list
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^ I would agree with this staatement here. ^
BigRick
Smash Master
Tiers are based on the metagame...
however, character matchups have an influence on the metagame
therefore, matchups affect tiers
Eggm
Smash Hero
I totally agree with this, however, I would say DL64: slight advantage to marth and YS slight advantage to Fox. The rest is perfect tho. Oh and marth ***** falco on any stage 55/45 advantage at least.
stripesorbars2
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Fox and Falco can get chain grabbed izowned by most lower tiered characters.
Shiek and Marth cannot.
Shiek owns every single character in the game besides Fox, Falco, and ICs and she is dead easy tech wise to play.
Marth is dead easy to play and gets owned by Shiek.
The list should be
Top:
Marth
Fox
Shiek
Falco
Good
Peach
Falcon
Shiek and Marth cannot.
Shiek owns every single character in the game besides Fox, Falco, and ICs and she is dead easy tech wise to play.
Marth is dead easy to play and gets owned by Shiek.
The list should be
Top:
Marth
Fox
Shiek
Falco
Good
Peach
Falcon
I agree 100% but Falcon above Peach...
stripesorbars2
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Nope.
Please explain your unreasonable logic.
Please explain your unreasonable logic.
YoshiKongBarkley3000
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uh sheik is more easier to play than marth i think well they are both equally easy to pick up.
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
Picking up a character is one thing, playing the character is another, and actually succeeding in high-level play with the character, that's yet another thing.
knowhatimsayin?
knowhatimsayin?
trademark0013
Smash Champion
i suggested this order already >_<
stripesorbars2
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I've suggested it since 2001.
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
I wish a 2007-2008 tier list would be created...
Pat/Pro
Smash Ace
Fox would still be #1 because he doesnt have the potential to lose to as many characters as marth. Fox only really has semi bad matchups with marth and falco but both are not that far from even overall (except for certain levels with marth). Marth on the other hand is vulnerable to shiek, cf, ganon, and even has close matchups with fox and numerous other characters. Overall fox is a better character. But since marth wins heads up to fox (although it is close) you can argue for either one.
It should go
Fox
Marth
Shiek
Falco
It should go
Fox
Marth
Shiek
Falco
Cheers, sir. **thumbs up**
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This is why there should be two tier list.
One list would show placement based on potential and actual match-ups.
The other would show placement based soley on tourney results. Marth generally wins tournies because he faces mostly Foxes and Falcos and maybe some Sheiks. The popular character choices in tournies allows him to do well. These are factors we must consider.
One list would show placement based on potential and actual match-ups.
The other would show placement based soley on tourney results. Marth generally wins tournies because he faces mostly Foxes and Falcos and maybe some Sheiks. The popular character choices in tournies allows him to do well. These are factors we must consider.
Aesir
Smash Master
Marth has a lot of weird low tier match ups. and goes even with a lot of other characters. If people played those said characters more often, chances are marths wouldn't do as well. Mind you they would probably still win tourneys but the frequency of them wouldn't matter.
the reason I feel why you don't see that is because F/F/S **** everything in their path pretty much.
the reason I feel why you don't see that is because F/F/S **** everything in their path pretty much.
Pat/Pro
Smash Ace
agreed ^^
Fox, Falco, Shiek, and Marth all on average do pretty much the same against each other but marth has the worst matchup average among all of the other characters.
Fox, Falco, Shiek, and Marth all on average do pretty much the same against each other but marth has the worst matchup average among all of the other characters.
mood4food77
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marth vs. low tier
he goes even with the links, yoshi, my kirby can give some marth's trouble (KIRBYCIDES FTW), but that's **** to kirby, uhhhh, he just doesn't **** low tiers like sheik does, fox and falco can have trouble with some of them (fox with bowser, dk, ness, g&w, luigi [on large stages] and falco with DK, ness, g&w), peach ***** them all too, as well as ganon (except for link and DK in which he has slight advantages)
he goes even with the links, yoshi, my kirby can give some marth's trouble (KIRBYCIDES FTW), but that's **** to kirby, uhhhh, he just doesn't **** low tiers like sheik does, fox and falco can have trouble with some of them (fox with bowser, dk, ness, g&w, luigi [on large stages] and falco with DK, ness, g&w), peach ***** them all too, as well as ganon (except for link and DK in which he has slight advantages)
trademark0013
Smash Champion
um... why...???
darE::to::Dream
Smash Journeyman
Because he's a moron. If you look back a couple pages, he was insisting against all arguments that, in his words, "Peach >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Falcon." I'm not exactly sure what prompted the change of heart, but the fact is that Peach has proven much harder to take to the top levels of competition than Captain Falcon, as many, many major tournament results will show.
Fletch
Smash Master
Exactly, I think she's really just too slow compared to Fox/Falco/Marth/Sheik/Falcon, and now that people have gotten over her "broken" d-smash, she really hasn't proven to be as good as those characters, although she's probably right after them on the list.
mood4food77
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pretty much, outside of the top tiers, she ***** all but links, ganon, and jiggs, that's the reason why she's up so high, so if you look at it like this
even with fox
advantage over falco
disadavantage to sheik
countered by marth
even with peach
disadvantage to falcon
advantage over ICs
advantage over samus
disadvantage to jiggs
disadvantage to ganon
even with link
even with y. link
outside of those match-ups, she ***** the rest
even with fox
advantage over falco
disadavantage to sheik
countered by marth
even with peach
disadvantage to falcon
advantage over ICs
advantage over samus
disadvantage to jiggs
disadvantage to ganon
even with link
even with y. link
outside of those match-ups, she ***** the rest
Pat/Pro
Smash Ace
if you think peach is even with fox you are crazy. Fox definitely has advantage over peach its not as big as some people think it is but its definitely an advantage. Peach is like the easiest character to shine combo of the good characters, up throw up air is always viable, and she dies at pretty reasonable percents. No one can kill peach as easily as fox. Plus it can be insanely easy to laser camp peach. Young link also has a slight advantage over her. Alot of IC's say she is their biggest counter too but I wouldnt know too much about that.
Fletch
Smash Master
Fixed it.
I'd say the Link matches are slightly in their favor as well, although not as much as everyone on the boards claims. Advantage over Samus is debatable as well, and I think Falco is more even with her than most people think, as his lasers can ruin her float game, although she probably still should have the upper hand there.
trademark0013
Smash Champion
even tho ppl arent CCign against her as much, i still say she has a much better chance against more characters than falcon
Rapid_Assassin
Smash Master
Most Peach players I've met have a harder time with Fox than most other characters. I'd personally rather fight a Marth or Ganon as Peach than a Fox, but you can blame my crew or New England in general for having too many Marth and Ganon players.. 
Sheik isn't that bad. At least not bad enough to warrant a "huge" disadvantage..
Sheik isn't that bad. At least not bad enough to warrant a "huge" disadvantage..
trademark0013
Smash Champion
^^^ agreed. i'd rather fight a marth as peach. **** new england....
trademark0013
Smash Champion
care to explain why u placed ICs there? its wobbling isnt it?
trademark0013
Smash Champion
spacies shine them.
and what about the rest of the list? peach.. who counters ICs...
and what about the rest of the list? peach.. who counters ICs...
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
...DK?
sorry for the double post but i am a fox/DK player and the only characters i think DK has a real matchup problem with are falco/sheik/marth/jiggs/and fox (depending on how aggressive fox is). DK absolutely ***** falcon and the entire low tier and his decent matchups are marios(both),luigi,ganon, ICs,peach (to a degree) and samus (to a degree)
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
DK can **** Fox and Falco.
grab them hoes.
grab them hoes.
g0nz02
Smash Apprentice
Man, ICs have so much more potential than every other character in this game.
well yeah thats a given cuz of the fast fall but overall moveset wise, he has no chance against falco's immobilizing lasers ,edgeguard spikes,around around powerful smashes (except up-smash). fox combos DK as well as falco does but cant approach him as easily from a distance with laser spamming which allows DKs forward and down tilts to be more effective, thus leading to better DK-****-fox chances
trademark0013
Smash Champion
i agree with u on that
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