The 2006-2008 Tier list

[Brookman]

I've never heard of them, save manacloud of course, but I only know of him due to his shady behavior regarding controller mods and scams and the like. Keep playing though.

 

[-Darc-]

My name is Darc can I be part of this conversation?
Although I can't really contribute to the topic, but I can comment.

I find this topic funny.

 

[Aesir]

lol dragon taking 2 stocks off isn't anything to brag about lolz

 

[REDRAGON]

lol dragon taking 2 stocks off isn't anything to brag about lolz

Was i bragging???

I know i am a better then average Samus player, and i am practicing still!
I will gladly mm any takers!

 

[mood4food77]

redragon...stop it please, you will get owned someday

so what, i have the 3rd best ganon in the state...does it mean anything???, the highest i've placed is 9th out of 23 people, i happen to be in one of the most competitive areas out there too, so what if you're in the same area as ken, doesn't mean crap in my books

anyways, i suck

i don't think marth will ever be number 1, compared to fox, falco and sheik, since these are the closest 4, he has too many match-ups not in his favor compared to the others (a lot of them are even compared to the others)

 

[Brookman]

Marth's meta-game has reached it's peak, through m2k. Fox hasn't, but that's only because people have taken fox in the wrong direction.

 

[Rx-]

What if they held a giant worldwide tournament each year and invited all the best players and all the world players and everything inbetween, and then they use those results to make the tierlist for the year.

If I was editing this list, I would put switch Peach with Shiek, and then move Peach up to the top tier and Falco to the spot just about Shiek.

 

[Brookman]

What if they held a giant worldwide tournament each year and invited all the best players and all the world players and everything inbetween, and then they use those results to make the tierlist for the year.

If I was editing this list, I would put switch Peach with Shiek, and then move Peach up to the top tier and Falco to the spot just about Shiek.

that's why the list isn't entrusted to people who have no idea what they're talking about.

 

[Linguini]

I hate coming into this thread or even melee discussion, but ganon has an advantage against an aggressive marth,and goes even with a defensive marth. Trust me, ive played many good marth players and I doubt any of you played a ganon that knows the matchup well.
Thats all I got. Peace.

 

[REDRAGON]

I hate coming into this thread or even melee discussion, but ganon has an advantage against an aggressive marth,and goes even with a defensive marth. Trust me, ive played many good marth players and I doubt any of you played a ganon that knows the matchup well.
Thats all I got. Peace.

lol
Marth has a small advantage over Ganon, tis all been discussed my friend!

 

[Linguini]

Ugh...im not going to argue, Im stating this, take it from someone who knows the matchup very well.

 

[Virgilijus]

REDRAGON, Linguini's Ganon took M2K's Marth out of crew's at FC; I'm pretty sure he knows the match up

 

[REDRAGON]

REDRAGON, Linguini's Ganon took M2K's Marth out of crew's at FC; I'm pretty sure he knows the match up

so because one guy takes out a good player the matchup goes in that character favor???
Stupid reasoning...

 

[Aesir]

so because one guy takes out a good player the matchup goes in that character favor???
Stupid reasoning...

Intelligent reasoning, he beat m2ks marth thus its safe to assume he knows the match up.

 

[Virgilijus]

If the match up were in Marth's favor and M2K, easily on of the top two Marth's in the world, gets beat by a, pardon my honesty Linguini, little known Ganon from Florida I believe that shows that the match up is not quite in Marth's favor.

It is stupid reasoning to think that when one of the best mains in the world loses to some one of arguably lesser ability after just beating one of the best Falco's in the world, that the match up is still in his favor.

You can diagnose match up s all you want, but look at real high class tournament play and you'll see that Ganon has the advantage. Linguini's just been to Pound 2 and FCD and faced the best competition the states has to offer and I'm sure he's seen many Marths while he was there; his opinion weighs much more than yours, to put it bluntly.

 

[REDRAGON]

Intelligent reasoning, he beat m2ks marth thus its safe to assume he knows the match up.

Please tell me you guys are joking???
Omg i am debating with idiots lol

 

[stripesorbars2]

Yeah I dont know how to play I suck. How should I play marth? Beats me I just beat every marth I played at pound including husband but I dont know how to play the matchup. I wish I was as good as aesir. Lets take a look at the last tournament results we were both in together.

Singles
1 PC Chris
2 Cort
3 Lord Knight
4 Krazy Jones
5 Hayato
5 Yo-Yo
7 CWJAlex
7 Pat/Pro <-- here I am
9 Phish-it
9 nuro
9 Brookman
9 SwiftBass
13 ZoSo
13 ky
13 geos
13 Black Mage
17 Kip
17 skler
17 budai
17 nasty nate
17 Pipe
17 V
17 ErciChewman
17 Stu
25 Tak
25 _milktea
25 JHolla
25 Pine
25 Gonzales
25 Nus
25 Art
25 icey
33 kevzez
33 mike
33 mike money
33 Veldon Steele
33 king of noobs
33 trademark
33 Spawn
33 bop
33 awsm sean
33 pottywatkumquat
33 Ghetto Fab
33 Kevin Pond
33 **** tom
33 Aesir <---here you are
33 Mark
33 purple cobra
49 hunter
49 Andrew Hoegen
49 flush five
49 thomas
49 Green hunter
49 Tichinde
49 zettai kurayami
49 Andrew
49 ray

33rd wow. I know people who placed that high who lost both of their first two matches. I never make fun of how someone plays or brush off their opinion just because I think I am better than them. Dont call people out or say they arent good at something until you have a little credibility to back it up.

OMG!!! why is aeseer still posting after this post?

Marth's meta-game has reached it's peak, through m2k. Fox hasn't, but that's only because people have taken fox in the wrong direction.

Wrong direction????

How in deh hell?

redragon...stop it please, you will get owned someday

so what, i have the 3rd best ganon in the state...does it mean anything???, the highest i've placed is 9th out of 23 people, i happen to be in one of the most competitive areas out there too, so what if you're in the same area as ken, doesn't mean crap in my books

anyways, i suck

i don't think marth will ever be number 1, compared to fox, falco and sheik, since these are the closest 4, he has too many match-ups not in his favor compared to the others (a lot of them are even compared to the others)

Marth has A SINGLE bad matchup in Shiek, that's it.

so because one guy takes out a good player the matchup goes in that character favor???
Stupid reasoning...

Excellent reasoning.

Linguini is the man sir.

You are not.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Yeah, Aesir got owned. >_>

And yeah M2K did push Marth's meta to a new level. L2K seems to disagree wtih me on that point even though we have had mulitple convos about it.

 

[REDRAGON]

If the match up were in Marth's favor and M2K, easily on of the top two Marth's in the world, gets beat by a, pardon my honesty Linguini, little known Ganon from Florida I believe that shows that the match up is not quite in Marth's favor.

It is stupid reasoning to think that when one of the best mains in the world loses to some one of arguably lesser ability after just beating one of the best Falco's in the world, that the match up is still in his favor.

You can diagnose match up s all you want, but look at real high class tournament play and you'll see that Ganon has the advantage. Linguini's just been to Pound 2 and FCD and faced the best competition the states has to offer and I'm sure he's seen many Marths while he was there; his opinion weighs much more than yours, to put it bluntly.

Hmmm
I would put down 300$ for sure that in a best of 7 set, M2k would win..
Why you ask? Because the matchup is in his favor!

In the match where Linguini won, how do you know M2k was not having a bad day? How do you know that he did not suicide and give him the match? How do you know that maybe Linguini was having a great smash day? Maybe the stage favored Ganon!
So much to it that one match hardly proves it, even a best of 3 is pushing it...


Redragon

 

[Ryan-K]

Mew2king would win because he is better no offense to linguini >_>

 

[Lord Knight]

Its definitely a variable because it effects fox's recovery more than it does marths. I honestly dont even want to hear you arguing this point. I have mentioned in previous posts that marth having to sweetspot the ledge is a factor but it is definitely not as much as what is taken away from fox. And if you are playing a good marth usually just illusioning onto the stage will result in a hit.

I said the ceiling was a pro for fox and for some reason you tried to convince me of what I already agreed about you with so im not gonna quote that section.

If I ban FD against a marth 75% of the time they will choose battlefield. So someone should tell the marths of the world that they are making a huge mistake. Dont just assume lordknight knows more about the matchup than me. I play people at the same level as he and am just as knowledgable. If your basing it purely off skill that he knows more than I do than maybe I should have told you to just listen "simply because I know the matchup better" than you.

The fact is I would say that most good marths would say that battlefield is a bad spacie level and would be in marths favor in the matchup. Perhaps its just a bad level for L2k. I have never seen a good fox counter pick with battlefield and I see marths do it all the time. There must be a reason for that other than me feeling that its in marths favor.

I'll say it then.

Fox vs Marth on BF is in Fox's favor. Go to FoD or something fools.

To be honest, you definately do not know as much about Fox vs Marth as I do. I'm sure you haven't heard of platform camping at all, where Fox runs around on the top platforms and ticks in hits. I'm sure you don't know how to uthrow > bair > stuff either, with the platforms helping you. You're DI must be kinda bad too, because every Fox I've seen there goes high, where Marth can't really go to too fast. Yes, the edges are gay for Fox. But they're gay for everyone. BF is in Fox's favor. People should really be counterpicking FoD, where Fox is balls.

Like I said before:

FD: Marth
FoD: Marth
BF: Fox
PS: Fox
DL64: Either
Yoshi's: Either

 

[Aesir]

OMG!!! why is aeseer still posting after this post?

Because I can, LOL. Shut up and go get banned again.

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

Aesir just got pwned by Pat/pro lol
Wow Aesir i might be better then you, at least i am in the top 25% in all my tourney's lol!


Redragon

Money match? I'm in the top 25% at all KB Toys tournaments too lol!

I thought this was the tier list thread, not the New England brackets thread

Yeah, that's what I thought too. Guess I was wrong..

right above samus ^_^


sooo, is this the NE brackets thread or not ?

Apparently it is..

Marth has A SINGLE bad matchup in Shiek, that's it.

That's enough for him to be below characters that have no bad matchups, like Fox...

 

[Virgilijus]

REDRAGON - M2K would most probably win the set because he is one of the greatest smashers in the world and Linguini is not. That said, his Fox and Sheik and probably even his Ganon (rumor is his is nasty) would beat Linguini's Ganon, and they would probably do that much more easily than his Marth and that is what speaks for the match up.

I'm a Marth main myself and have a friend in my own crew that I am almost exactly even with in terms of smash skill. However, when we go Marth v. Ganon, he always comes out a little ahead, even though I can beat him with all of his secondaries. That's just the way the match up goes.

So you can take it form my experience or Linguini's or Ken's (who also claimed the match up was in Ganon's favor). One match does not prove the match up, but if the match up truly is in favor of one, why should we not be able to point at any match up as evidence?

 

[Wizzlecroff]

Wow, I didn't think that was in his favor, but i haven't had much experience. Either way, I wouldn't bother argueing the point anymore, I have friends like Reddragon, that will never admit their wrong or even give someone the benefit of the doubt.

By the way, how is the Falco vs Peach matchup? the All-character matchup chart shows it in peach's favor, but how far does that generally go?

 

[Pat/Pro]

Thank you lord for having linguini and virgilijus come shed some light on this discussion. Linguini knows his ganon and has probably more marth experience than any good marth has ganon experience (mostly due to the fact that there are so few ganons). The matchup is at the very worst even but I would venture to go and say that it is in ganons favor on certain levels. Im so glad someone came and agreed with me on this but I wish you were here back when people were mocking me for thinking along these lines.

L2k i respect your opinion but much like your opinion on the marth v ganon subject I will have to disagree with you about battlefield. Most people I have talked to tend to agree with me but it doesnt really matter. Lets just leave it at that. FOD is balls for fox though I agree with you on that. It isnt counterpicked on him nearly enough.

 

[g-regulate]

who cares about who has advantages over who. get good and make your own advantages.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

lol I main freakin' Game & Watch and I do make my own advantages. Advantages I will not post because people would lose their minds and flame me >_>

 

[choknater]

who cares about who has advantages over who. get good and make your own advantages.

this is true.

i remember azen's marth being a sheik slayer. i believe marth has no bad matchups and it all comes down to the player's unique skills. same with fox.

honestly, that matchup forever and always will be too close to call. tier list should look like this lol

#1/2: marth/fox
#3: etc.

 

[BigRick]

Well, one good way to start overcoming advantages is to know about them.

 

[Reioumu]

Yeah, a lot of it is player preference. For example, Colbol from Florida is a Fox player who eats Marths. (beat Cactaur's Marth at pound 2)

 

[Brightside6382]

Meh I always saw Marth vs Ganon as a pretty even matchup. Ganon can kill Marth with like only 4 hits really and Marth combo's Ganon like it's his job.

lol Virg don't try to take away Linguini's victory over M2K during crews. He beat him when it counted. NO JOHNZ, all this stupid "he would win in a bo3" crap doesn't matter cause it never happened. But that is not to say this victory should be blown out of proportion I'm just saying give credit where it credit is deserved.

 

[Virgilijus]

You think I'm trying to take away his victory over M2K at teams? I was sitting here pounding refresh on my computer when he knocked him out and when he won the battle against the Mid West for us.

I'm not saying "No Johns"; I'm saying that M2K is one of the best Smashers around; he can beat KDJ's Sheik, Chu's ICs, Chillin's Fox and virtually every other top smasher and that it's very reasonable that given a set he could beat Linguini. That's it. I would say the same thing for Forward and Drephen. I'm not trying to take away from what Linguini managed to do.

 

[mood4food77]

LINGUINI

hey, i give props to a ganon user taking out m2k

anyways, it seems that people forgot the marth vs. falcon match-up, anyways

why marth won't be number 1?, he's at a disadvantage against falcon and sheik, but he has so many even match-ups, like ganon, fox, link, y. link, possibly even yoshi

fox has one disadvantage being falco, even with sheik, maybe even doc, but has the advantage on everyone

sheik has the disadvantage to ICs, and falco, being even with fox, having the advantage on everyone else

falco has the disadvantage on peach, marth, ICs, even with doc (maybe), advantage on everyone else

now, if those are the 4 contedors for number one, based on those standards, it should go fox, sheik, marth, falco

i feel marth will never be number one, it's too many match-ups not in his favor

 

[OnyxVulpine]

Zelda.. Why must your alter ego pwn so much?.. And atleast the Links are along the same line eh?

 

[BigRick]

Haha I totally forgot about Marth vs the Links gj mood.

But seriously Fox is the most solid char out there... Marth currently has a boost in the current metagame but expect to see ppl adjust to him.

It's kinda like what happened to Falco... he was arguably #1 one year ago but people got used to fighting him so I guess we can consider him #4 now. Some even think about putting him back into high tier.

Just like ppl started jumping on the PC Chris bandwagon 1 year ago (Falco owns all), now every1 jumps on the Mew2King bandwagon (Marth owns all).

PC plays Fox now...

Top: Fox, Marth, Sheik (Marth deserves 2nd in the current meta)

High: Falco, Falcon, Peach, ICs

 

[Aesir]

I believe pc and m2k are so inconsistant when they play each other.

winners finals pc 3-0's him.

grandfinals m2k 3-0's him.>___>;

 

[Emblem Lord]

Marth has always won tournies since he arrived on the scene with Ken.

He has been winning since then. That alone means he really should be no lower then 2nd or 3rd at the least.

 

[REDRAGON]

LINGUINI

hey, i give props to a ganon user taking out m2k

anyways, it seems that people forgot the marth vs. falcon match-up, anyways

why marth won't be number 1?, he's at a disadvantage against falcon and sheik, but he has so many even match-ups, like ganon, fox, link, y. link, possibly even yoshi

fox has one disadvantage being falco, even with sheik, maybe even doc, but has the advantage on everyone

sheik has the disadvantage to ICs, and falco, being even with fox, having the advantage on everyone else

falco has the disadvantage on peach, marth, ICs, even with doc (maybe), advantage on everyone else

now, if those are the 4 contedors for number one, based on those standards, it should go fox, sheik, marth, falco

i feel marth will never be number one, it's too many match-ups not in his favor

Its a good thing tiers are not based on matchups then eh???

 

[mood4food77]

they are, if characters are really close in level, they go to match-ups

reason why fox is ahead of falco right now, his match-ups are overall better than falco's