The 2006-2008 Tier list

[-Darc-]

Plus fox should almost never get himself rested against jiggs. up throw to rest doesnt really happen at high levels of play.

Kekekekekekeke

 

[mood4food77]

it usually doesn't happen, we've established that, but crazier rest combo's happer more (uthrow, bair, uair, bair, uair, rest, etc)

 

[-Darc-]

it usually doesn't happen, we've established that, but crazier rest combo's happer more (uthrow, bair, uair, bair, uair, rest, etc)

I know. I play Jiggs.

I was hoping someone would get the joke because I'm known in NE for getting a lot of up-throw rests.

 

[Pat/Pro]

Kekekekekekeke

I shouldve put unless your playing darc because he is so uber l33t. Darc please say something on the issue about saying that fox is hard to play please haha.

 

[-Darc-]

But I like playing against Fox ;_;
Some foxes at least.

Other foxes I hate. >_>

 

[Del Money]

ICs have slight advantage over falcon. marth is harder on jiggs than fox. fox vs sheik is almost even with fox slightly on top. those are facts

EDIT: oh and fox vs ICs is slightly in fox's favor, unless hes grabbed or off the edge (like all the fast-fallers)

 

[WFL]

ICs can't CT samus at all
they can CT jiggs only with dthrow-fair (but it's easily escaped)
ICs can CT peach and marth but it's insanely hard to do it

ganon also is a big IC counter since he is the micheal jackson of smash...XD, but he is the only character that ICs have a problem with that they can also CT

You just said it's possible to chaingrab Peach, who is a IC counter, but then you say Gannon is the only character that gives them trouble that they can chaingrab.

Contradict yourself much?

 

[B0mbe1c]

The list is fine, since Falco/fox are most used characters and are really used. I am a falco user myself.

 

[mood4food77]

ganon is easily CGed, peach can escape CGs

yea i kinda contradicted myself, oh well...deal with it

fox vs. ICs is even except on YS, FoD, rainbow cruise, pokefloats, brinstar, and onett, which are all in fox's favor slightly, i think bigger stages are in ICs favor (like FD, battlefield, dreamland, DK 64), but the moving stages and brinstar are the stages that make the most effect on the match-up (no CT for ICs...)

 

[Del Money]

ganon is easily CGed, peach can escape CGs

yea i kinda contradicted myself, oh well...deal with it

fox vs. ICs is even except on YS, FoD, rainbow cruise, pokefloats, brinstar, and onett, which are all in fox's favor slightly, i think bigger stages are in ICs favor (like FD, battlefield, dreamland, DK 64), but the moving stages and brinstar are the stages that make the most effect on the match-up (no CT for ICs...)

um close but no. fox is relentless on platform levels against ICs and cause separation must more, in wide open levels theres closer to even but fox still has the slight advantage

 

[Endless Nightmares]

You just said it's possible to chaingrab Peach, who is a IC counter, but then you say Gannon is the only character that gives them trouble that they can chaingrab.

Contradict yourself much?

Umm...being able to chaingrab a character doesn't define counters and advantages.

Going by your logic, Mario would have the advantage over Fox and Falco

 

[mood4food77]

it's only in ICs case

if they can't CT you....you'll do fine, if they can, you're pretty much screwed

 

[Del Money]

oh and on a side note i dont think mindgames should contribute to advantages and disadvantages. i think it should be completely moveset-based and characters physics (i.e. short hops, wavedashes, etc). mindgames are more of a specific player's playing style rather than character ability

 

[REDRAGON]

oh and on a side note i dont think mindgames should contribute to advantages and disadvantages. i think it should be completely moveset-based and characters physics (i.e. short hops, wavedashes, etc). mindgames are more of a specific player's playing style rather than character ability

True but some characters need mindgames(Marth) while others are pure tech skill(Fox)

 

[Winston]

True but some characters need mindgames(Marth) while others are pure tech skill(Fox)

Sorry, but with that statement I think you lost any credibility you might have had.

 

[Aesir]

^ fox requires smart playing which is what mindgames are. =\

fox generally has auto combos though, like shine into upsmash or shine to grab to uair.

But generally they require you to be smart just mindless tech skill won't grant you a win with fox.

 

[REDRAGON]

Sorry, but with that statement I think you lost any credibility you might have had.

coming from you that means nothing....

Are you saying Marth needs no mindgames, and Fox is not mostly tech skill???

If so, then you are way more stupid then i first though lol

 

[Pat/Pro]

fox defintely needs mindgames, especially in particular matchups like in dittos. I place better than foxes that have way better tech skill than I do.

 

[slikvik]

True but some characters need mindgames(Marth) while others are pure tech skill(Fox)

lol i think im gonna agree with gustav

 

[stripesorbars2]

True but some characters need mindgames(Marth) while others are pure tech skill(Fox)

I hate you.

Please take back that statement or I will make it my sig and go post in every thread on the boards so everyone else reads what you wrote and hates you too.

 

[1337marth]

I think Marth is one of the best characters, That is the one I went pro with.

 

[Del Money]

i think marth is the top character. people who say fox are just mad cuz theyve been shined one too many times. fox and sheik are equally lethal and marth is slightly above them

 

[Emblem Lord]

REDRAGON: Stop posting about Marth now.

You are making people who actually know anything about Marth look bad.

And you don't even main him. >_>

 

[REDRAGON]

I hate you.

Please take back that statement or I will make it my sig and go post in every thread on the boards so everyone else reads what you wrote and hates you too.

Marth players need crazy mindgames to win with him, and Fox players need that crazy tech stuff to win......
take it or leave it...

 

[Del Money]

oops for the double post but i disagree that marth and fox necessarily have to rely on mindgames. maybe falcon, DK, ICs, and the marios but the entire top tier has enough auto combos that an aggressive yet professional player can still perform well

 

[Del Money]

I hate you.

Please take back that statement or I will make it my sig and go post in every thread on the boards so everyone else reads what you wrote and hates you too.

lol your starting to sound like one of those "cool" kids who drop n-bombs on counterstrike

 

[Endless Nightmares]

REDRAGON: Stop posting about Marth now.

You are making people who actually know anything about Marth look bad.

And you don't even main him. >_>

REDRAGON: Stop posting. Period. Some of your posts are so outrageously false, it's mindboggling.

 

[Ryan-K]

Every character needs mindgames you ****ing idiot. It's called smart play. I thought you said you knew your *** from your elbow.

 

[Del Money]

Every character needs mindgames you ****ing idiot. It's called smart play. I thought you said you knew your *** from your elbow.

what the hell kind of stupid stick hit you in the head? i said the mindgames shouldnt be incorporated into determining tiers, NOT THAT THE WERENT USEFUL. and no theyre not necessary for every single player. it all depends on your playing style. some players use trickery a.k.a mindgames, some use aggression and reflexes, some use both...it all depends.
so stop trying to look cool and throw in an insult where one isnt due, you friggin meathead

 

[Ryan-K]

I wasnt talking about you i was talking about reddragon :/

 

[REDRAGON]

what the hell kind of stupid stick hit you in the head? i said the mindgames shouldnt be incorporated into determining tiers, NOT THAT THE WERENT USEFUL. and no theyre not necessary for every single player. it all depends on your playing style. some players use trickery a.k.a mindgames, some use aggression and reflexes, some use both...it all depends.
so stop trying to look cool and throw in an insult where one isnt due, you friggin meathead

Dude he was talking to me..

Ether way, dont let these stupid people bother you. They think they are all cool and mighty when they are really just kids on the internet lol
Just nod and smile

 

[mood4food77]

go away redragon, please, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about

mindgames are everything, the better the mindgames, the better the player, it's that simple

 

[Del Money]

I wasnt talking about you i was talking about reddragon :/

sorry about that, i take it back

Dude he was talking to me..

Ether way, dont let these stupid people bother you. They think they are all cool and mighty when they are really just kids on the internet lol
Just nod and smile

haha im well aware of that. i aint a-scurred-a-nobody

go away redragon, please, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about

mindgames are everything, the better the mindgames, the better the player, it's that simple

like i said before it depend on your play style. technique > straight-up-mindgames anyday. sure theyre useful but they arent everything. otherwise people i know who overuse them wouldnt lose to me so much.

 

[trademark0013]

Marth players need crazy mindgames to win with him, and Fox players need that crazy tech stuff to win......
take it or leave it...

because ken has such great mindgames and masashi's tech skill is unmatched

lol your starting to sound like one of those "cool" kids who drop n-bombs on counterstrike

lol. this made my day

mindgames are everything, the better the mindgames, the better the player, it's that simple

very tru.

 

[Del Money]

obviously youll have to rely on mindgames a ton...if youre low tier

 

[Endless Nightmares]

I guess Ness/Yoshi/Mewtwo's DJC, Yoshi's Edge-Canceled Eggs, and DK's Cargo combos aren't tech skill at all >_>

Even basic things like SHFFL and wavedashing involve tech skill.

Tech skill is just as important as "mindgames"

 

[Lord Knight]

Being able to do what you want is the first step to be good. Then comes playing smart. I don't know why we're arguing about "mindgames" in the tier thread though.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Because of Del Money and REDRAGON -_-

 

[Del Money]

56k, if you are even half as competent as you claim to be, then you obviously know how to read

oh and on a side note i dont think mindgames should contribute to advantages and disadvantages. i think it should be completely moveset-based and characters physics (i.e. short hops, wavedashes, etc). mindgames are more of a specific player's playing style rather than character ability

i said this about 6 hours ago EXPLICITLY STATING that mindgames shouldnt contribute to the advantages and disadvantages that make up the tiers. therefore, stop failing miserably at nitpicking and criticizing

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Lord Knight asked this question:

I don't know why we're arguing about "mindgames" in the tier thread though.

I answered:

Because of Del Money and REDRAGON -_-

Because you and Redragon were the first to recently mention mindgames and the mindgame discussion began.:

oh and on a side note i dont think mindgames should contribute to advantages and disadvantages. i think it should be completely moveset-based and characters physics (i.e. short hops, wavedashes, etc). mindgames are more of a specific player's playing style rather than character ability

True but some characters need mindgames(Marth) while others are pure tech skill(Fox)

I was simply answering Lord Knight's question. I didn't say ANYTHING about your opinion of mindgames. I simply stated that we are discussing mindgames because of Redragon and you.

therefore, stop failing miserably at nitpicking and criticizing

How painfully ironic it is that you're the one this applies to.