The 2006-2008 Tier list

[Del Money]

^^^
you see kids., this is why you shouldnt smoke crack

you apparently know how to make one word stand out of an entire passage. try changing the whole passage to that font size and color and then maybe you wouldve read it completely (since youre so much more literate than me) and explained to Lord Knight that i WAS talking about the tiers and how mindgames shouldnt be related to the tier system. im sure if he had read it himself, he wouldve understood that.

and no i dont see this alleged "painful irony". i flamed you because you made me look like i was originally arguing about mindgames

 

[mood4food77]

ahhh del money, correcting 56k, who is most likely a better smasher than you ever will be, please, you and redragon are annoying the crap out of us vets who've been in discussions like these (trust me, i've been there, except i've been agreed with more)

and he's right, you and redragon did start the crap about mindgames, i just stated what was correct

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Del Money: Once again, if you knew how to read, you would know that I said "Because you and Redragon were the first to recently mention mindgames and the mindgame discussion began.:"

Mention. You were the first to MENTION mindgames. The word mindgames is in your post. Redragon replied and also mentioned mindgames. That's how this mindgames discussion began. Get it? I don't know if I can make it any more simple. You're continuously drawing conclusions from nothing. I don't understand why you're getting so mad and flaming simply because I told Lord Knight that you and Redragon started a discussion on a different subject.

I'm seriously considering adding you to my ignore list. The only reason I'm not is because I wouldn't be able to laugh at your posts.

i flamed you because you made me look like i was originally arguing about mindgames

Well that was not my goal, I was just answering a simple question. Is it really necessary to flame someone because of that? You should consider a less hostile approach when posting.

ahhh del money, correcting 56k, who is most likely a better smasher than you ever will be, please, you and redragon are annoying the crap out of us vets who've been in discussions like these (trust me, i've been there, except i've been agreed with more)

and he's right, you and redragon did start the crap about mindgames, i just stated what was correct

yayuhzz mood4food FTW. I've never seen a rediculous post from this guy *rememberes the Recovery Tiers thread*

 

[Del Money]

ahhh del money, correcting 56k, who is most likely a better smasher than you ever will be, please, you and redragon are annoying the crap out of us vets who've been in discussions like these (trust me, i've been there, except i've been agreed with more)

and he's right, you and redragon did start the crap about mindgames, i just stated what was correct

1. youre assuming hes better and will always be better than me and you dont even know me...gee thats mature. if you wanna just take sides just to look cool then go ahead
2. assuming youre right which you very well may be, i dont care. i dont eat, drink, and breathe smash and if fact havent played in almost half a year now. smash is a simple hobby that i enjoy tons and have improved greatly with pro-level techniques. but im also a rugby player and enrolled at an ivy league school...so please dont undermine my integrity anymore like im yet another 11 year old on these boards
3. i was stating something ABOUT THE TIERS. how many times must i repeat this??? Reddragon extended the convo into something else, and since these ARE CALLED DISCUSSION BOARDS, the DISCUSSION commenced

I'm seriously considering adding you to my ignore list. The only reason I'm not is because I wouldn't be able to laugh at your posts.

oh no, is that a threat? if thats what makes you sleep at night then go for it. i read your post as an attack on my ability to adhere to the thread topic, and if you didnt mean it that way then i apologize for flaming you.

this argument is ******** and im willing to call truce but if you both would rather mock me and "laugh at my posts" then your mockery and laughter will fall on deaf ears

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Nah, it's all cool man. I just added the "laugh at your posts" part to get back at you for flaming me and saying I smoke crack (Seriously, WTF XD)

I call truce man. But like I said before, you should consider a less hostile approach when posting. Note, that's not an insult. You just started flaming me, that's not cool and it just starts bigger arguments.

And now that trivial matter has been tossed aside, lets get back to discussing the tier list. I'm not very good at backing up my opinions with convincing arguments (unless I'm discussing G&W) but I will say this anyway.

Yoshi and G&W do not belong in bottom tier. I have seen Yoshi played to full potential, and the things skilled Yoshi players do are just amazing. Man somebody back my up on this.

Whenever Yoshi is brought up in tier discussions, people always say "OMG NO THIRD JUMP". Yoshi is great without a third jump. It isn't as easy as hitting Yoshi with an aerial and he suddenly can't recover. Yoshi can plow through most edgeguarding attempts until +110%, and a skilled Yoshi has plenty of creative ways to avoid your edgeguards and return safely to the stage.

As for the G&W argument, I admit that I am just saying that with bias because I main G&W and I'm pretty **** good at it. Maybe it's because I know nearly everything about G&W now, but I don't see how he's so low on the list. Hell, I might even post my own tier list later but I gotta get my flame shield first.

 

[darE::to::Dream]

Will the lot of you just shut up?

 

[TheManaLord]

Yoshi is purely amazing, but the learning curve is too steep and too oblong for people to pick him up.

 

[Aesir]

Mindgames don't exist, what exists is the playing smart and making the right indecisions.

take the thought of mindgames out of your head. >_>

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Yoshi is purely amazing, but the learning curve is too steep and too oblong for people to pick him up.

I agree but that shouldn't put him so low on the tier list. I mean hey, IC players are pretty rare too...

 

[Del Money]

Nah, it's all cool man. I just added the "laugh at your posts" part to get back at you for flaming me and saying I smoke crack (Seriously, WTF XD)

I call truce man. But like I said before, you should consider a less hostile approach when posting. Note, that's not an insult. You just started flaming me, that's not cool and it just starts bigger arguments.

And now that trivial matter has been tossed aside, lets get back to discussing the tier list. I'm not very good at backing up my opinions with convincing arguments (unless I'm discussing G&W) but I will say this anyway.

Yoshi and G&W do not belong in bottom tier. I have seen Yoshi played to full potential, and the things skilled Yoshi players do are just amazing. Man somebody back my up on this.

Whenever Yoshi is brought up in tier discussions, people always say "OMG NO THIRD JUMP". Yoshi is great without a third jump. It isn't as easy as hitting Yoshi with an aerial and he suddenly can't recover. Yoshi can plow through most edgeguarding attempts until +110%, and a skilled Yoshi has plenty of creative ways to avoid your edgeguards and return safely to the stage.

As for the G&W argument, I admit that I am just saying that with bias because I main G&W and I'm pretty **** good at it. Maybe it's because I know nearly everything about G&W now, but I don't see how he's so low on the list. Hell, I might even post my own tier list later but I gotta get my flame shield first.

yeah i got a little over-excited with the crack-smoking comment. but back on track

yes i agree 100000% that yoshi and g & w are NOT bottom tier. one i learned yoshi's full potential, he replaced mario as my 3rd best. but now im awful at yoshi cuz i started trying to get good with...bowser lol...which is very possible

heres how i think the best character (tier-wise) ordering goes:

make edits where you see fit

Top:
1. marth
2 = 3. fox, sheik
4. falco (a very darn close 4th)

High:
5 = 6. peach, ICs
7. jiggs
8. capt crunch er i mean falcon

Good:
9 = 10. ganondorf, samus
11. dr mario
12. link
13. mario

Mid:
14. yoshi
15 = 16. DK, G&W
17 = 18. pikachu, luigi

Fair:

19. Zelda
20. kirby
21= 22. roy , y. link
23. pichu

Poor:

24. bowser
25. ness
26. mewtwo

 

[Endless Nightmares]

My Edit >.>

(Note: Please everyone, let's not flame too much over any custom tier lists. I'm just posting this for fun, I know some people are touchy about custom tier lists. Instead of "Well you obviously don't know how to play the game" let's post things like "actually Doc should be above Ganon because...")

Top:
1. marth
2 = 3. fox, sheik
4. falco (a very darn close 4th)

High:
5. peach
6. ICs
7. jiggs
8. capt falcon

Good:
9. samus
10. ganondorf
11. dr mario
12. luigi
13.yoshi
14. mario

Mid:
15. link
16. G&W
17. Pikachu
18. DK
19. Young Link

Fair:

20. ness
21. roy
22. mewtwo
23. kirby

Poor:

24. pichu
25. zelda
26. bowser

 

[kenny10]

I really disagree with Del Money's tier version than 56K's version. Del Money, why did you put Ness as second to last? 56K's version has a more accurate poor tier. At least replace Bowser and Pichu and then Zelda for Ness. Ness is the most underrated low tier character. And as for Bowser, ever heard of Gimpyfish? There are more Ness's and Bowser's winning tournaments than there are Pichu's and Zelda's. Anyways, just my opinion.

 

[Del Money]

so we agree on alot of them, but i didnt see zelda as that close to rock bottom. or bowser as dead last. bowser gives ness and mewtwo alot of trouble IMO

I really disagree with Del Money's tier version than 56K's version. Del Money, why did you put Ness as second to last? 56K's version has a more accurate poor tier. At least replace Bowser and Pichu and then Zelda for Ness. Ness is the most underrated low tier character. And as for Bowser, ever heard of Gimpyfish? There are more Ness's and Bowser's winning tournaments than there are Pichu's and Zelda's. Anyways, just my opinion.

yes ive definitely heard of gimpyfish. i was gonna put bowser in fair tier but then random jack@sses mightve flamed me even though i specifically wrote "edit as you see fit"

 

[kenny10]

I didn't say Bowser as dead last, I said replace him with Pichu which moves him up your list.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Aesir, there are mindgames in all fighters.

It's actually a legit term. It's just that the smash community at large doesn't know how to apply the concept to their gameplay and they just toss the word around without truly understanding it.

 

[REDRAGON]

Why on both those tiers list, Jiggs is above Falcon???

 

[Aesir]

^ @emblem:>_> I've been around other fighting game communities before, mainly the SC scene and I've never heard of mindgames evarrrrr.

to be frank one gets sick of scrubs posting in vid discussion saying "PRACTICE UR MINDGAMZ" >_> hence why I think its better to remove the term from your mind and just think of it as playing smart.

 

[Del Money]

I didn't say Bowser as dead last, I said replace him with Pichu which moves him up your list.

i meant that for 56k, i guess you posted too quickly. either that or the issue with SWF servers is still screwing my timing up

Aesir, there are mindgames in all fighters.

It's actually a legit term. It's just that the smash community at large doesn't know how to apply the concept to their gameplay and they just toss the word around without truly understanding it.

agreed. mindgames is the art of invoking unpredictability upon your opponent. in most cases, its usually subtle dashdancing. any yes any character can do it which is why it doesnt relate to the tier system

 

[choknater]

why the HELL are you guys putting yoshi so high.


i know he is good, but jeez. no way on earth is he above luigi and DK. of course we've seen yoshi at full potential, fumi vids are everywhere. but what does that say about taj and gimpy if you are still putting their chars so low when they also play at what you call "full potential"

anyways, this isnt SBR. whatever is said here shouldn't matter anyway =\
in that case, ice climbers for top tier.

about mindgames: it is a term used by pro smashers to sound cool. and guess what? they do sound cool when they say it. like chillin etc

it can be used as sh*t-talking. if someone gets owned: yell "MINDGAAAAAMES."

seriously, defining the term and everything is going way too deep... smash is all about getting the big picture.

 

[mood4food77]

i don't live smash, i'm just busting my butt out there to get into villanova next year

i'm still determining whether or not to quit smash or not, probably won't but still thinking

besides, all your info has been no help ot anyone and made even 56k angry, please....don't say anymore

 

[kenny10]

i meant that for 56k, i guess you posted too quickly. either that or the issue with SWF servers is still screwing my timing up

Sry about that. I thought you were talking about my post. lol I shouldn't post so fast.

 

[Del Money]

why the HELL are you guys putting yoshi so high.


i know he is good, but jeez. no way on earth is he above luigi and DK. of course we've seen yoshi at full potential, fumi vids are everywhere. but what does that say about taj and gimpy if you are still putting their chars so low when they also play at what you call "full potential"

anyways, this isnt SBR. whatever is said here shouldn't matter anyway =\
in that case, ice climbers for top tier.

about mindgames: it is a term used by pro smashers to sound cool. and guess what? they do sound cool when they say it. like chillin etc

it can be used as sh*t-talking. if someone gets owned: yell "MINDGAAAAAMES."

seriously, defining the term and everything is going way too deep... smash is all about getting the big picture.

1. i dont use "mindgames" anyway and i think its pretty stupid terminology for a fighting game
2. i glad someone else out there had respect for DK. but i think yoshi is a bit higher. he can combo fast-fallers and floaty characters alike. the tongue is a good slow-dwon techique if youre accurate. eggs are a great range attack to keep falcon at bay. and all his aerials are actually pretty sexy.

i don't live smash, i'm just busting my butt out there to get into villanova next year

i'm still determining whether or not to quit smash or not, probably won't but still thinking

besides, all your info has been no help ot anyone and made even 56k angry, please....don't say anymore

ok youre definitely still living in the past and making it your mission to piss me off. and now youre the one not following discussion. perhaps you should follow it or just..."don't say anymore"

 

[kenny10]

Del Money, you also have to remember that DK can combo fast-fallers really well too. I mean look at BUM and Captain Jack also has a really nasty DK.

 

[Chaos Paladin]

wow this is my first time seeing a ter list XD im sort of surprised that kirbys so low and mario is so high, i never see people using mario ( at least around here )

 

[Del Money]

Del Money, you also have to remember that DK can combo fast-fallers really well too. I mean look at BUM and Captain Jack also has a really nasty DK.

hahah oh im definitely aware of that and those skilled mofos. DK is my 2nd main to fox. but yoshi can abuse the range, has a faster spike, a longer wavedash and less lag. DK also cant combo slow fallers all that well or easily, sheik being an exception (although sheik is like a semi-slow faller, and destroys DK anyways). i have pulled off a 5-hit aerial combo as DK on a samus in final destination but if wasnt easy

 

[kenny10]

There are more good Mario players doing good in tournaments than there are good Kirby players doing good in tournaments. That's why Kirby is so low and Mario is so high.

 

[Randizzle]

Kirby just sucks

 

[Del Money]

Kirby just sucks

aint that the truth. unfortunately just cuz characters look better when they transfer to a newer console, doesnt mean they are better. i dont feel kirby has enough potential in melee. especially since most of his standard A attacks got nerfed from SSB64

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Does anyone think "The tier list is based on tournament results" is just a john? I do...>_>

 

[Chaos Paladin]

oh i always heard that kirby was a good charecter, but now that i think about it i was never good with kirby and never did bad against him either.

 

[Del Money]

Does anyone think "The tier list is based on tournament results" is just a john? I do...>_>

i 2nd that. tournamnents only prove players preferences in character choice

oh i always heard that kirby was a good charecter, but now that i think about it i was never good with kirby and never did bad against him either.

hmm thats strange. ive never heard anything good about kirby in melee, except that his ssb64 dreamland stage had returned

 

[trademark0013]

^ @emblem:>_> I've been around other fighting game communities before, mainly the SC scene and I've never heard of mindgames evarrrrr.

to be frank one gets sick of scrubs posting in vid discussion saying "PRACTICE UR MINDGAMZ" >_> hence why I think its better to remove the term from your mind and just think of it as playing smart.

thats because you dont have as many options in other fighting games as you do in smash.

lol @ practicing mindgames

mindgames do exist tho, basically jus messin wit someones head and makin them do things to your advantage

ex. run, wavedash backwards, opponent atks, u punish.

basic concept of mindgames

 

[REDRAGON]

Tier:

Marth
Fox
Sheik
Falco
Falcon
Peach
Ice climbers
Samus
Jigglypuff
Ganon
Doc
Mario
Dk
Link
Luigi
Y Link
Pikachu
Roy
Ness
Zelda
Yoshi
G&W
Mewtwo
Bowser
Pichu
Kirby

 

[kenny10]

There are a couple good Kirbys like Kirbster but they are very rare.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

The only good things Kirby has are bair (wop with FH double bair), utilt, uair, Kirbycides, and swallow kills.

 

[Chaos Paladin]

ya i used to play as kirby just to use his cheep kills XD

 

[Del Money]

im glad people are revising the lower tiers (sub high-iter). its helping me get a bit less iffy on them

^ @emblem:>_> I've been around other fighting game communities before, mainly the SC scene and I've never heard of mindgames evarrrrr.

to be frank one gets sick of scrubs posting in vid discussion saying "PRACTICE UR MINDGAMZ" >_> hence why I think its better to remove the term from your mind and just think of it as playing smart.

HAHAHHAHAHH he called them "scrubs"

Tier:

Marth
Fox
Sheik
Falco
Falcon
Peach
Ice climbers
Samus
Jigglypuff
Ganon
Doc
Mario
Dk
Link
Luigi
Y Link
Pikachu
Roy
Ness
Zelda
Yoshi
G&W
Mewtwo
Bowser
Pichu
Kirby

you are the freaking man not being gay and putting DK in low/bottom tier and bowser at the bottom. things i disagree with are kirby at the very bottom and *trying to hold in laughter" Y. link, roy, ness and zelda above yoshi and G&W

 

[darE::to::Dream]

Young Link can be scary. I think Yoshi should be right next to him, though. Who goes at the very bottom? I've seen a scary Mewtwo, Bowser, and Pichu player, but I agree with Randizzle - Kirby just sucks. I think Taj argued that Mewtwo has some very convincing death combos... While Bowser has a pretty mean edgeguarding game, he just doesn't have any combos that don't involve techchasing or edgeguarding. I haven't seen much of godly Pichu recently, so I can't say much on what might make it better or worse than the other bottom tier candidates.

At FC Diamond Gimpyfish was complaining that they should've at least given Pichu some redeeming qualities as a joke character when he learned that practically Pichu's everything, including recovery, hurt itself. That was when the Pichu player grabbed and started doing the grab attack to be funny.

 

[REDRAGON]

im glad people are revising the lower tiers (sub high-iter). its helping me get a bit less iffy on them



HAHAHHAHAHH he called them "scrubs"



you are the freaking man not being gay and putting DK in low/bottom tier and bowser at the bottom. things i disagree with are kirby at the very bottom and *trying to hold in laughter" Y. link, roy, ness and zelda above yoshi and G&W

Ok i changed it a LITTLE: Kirby is the worst, add ANY Kirby pro they willl agree, ask anyone for that matter and most people that know about the game will agree with me about kirby..
G&W has to many things wrong with his defense to be good, but i will put Yoshi above Roy and Zelda, not above Ness

Tier:

Marth
Fox
Sheik
Falco
Falcon
Peach
Ice climbers
Samus
Jigglypuff
Ganon
Doc
Mario
Dk
Link
Luigi
Y Link
Pikachu
Ness
Roy
Yoshi
Zelda
G&W
Mewtwo
Bowser
Pichu
Kirby

 

[Brookman]

GW doesn't have anything wrong with his defense, he has something wrong with his shield, that's different. GWs defense rests in his aerials and down tilt and grab game silly. Having decent aerials, however, doesn't change the fact that he gets ***** by most every other character anyway.