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TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT
- Thread starter JOE!
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Sieguest
Smash Master
What in the heck?
Still going on?
Still going on?
Yea..........
Hopefully we'll have a new MU next year...
Beren Zaiga
Smash Ace
The post that you should've read but didn't.
If I am not mistaken Adumb, that technique you speak of is usually used with a sword that is half the weight or more, of a great sword.
Fact: A 6-10 pound sword will not move easily.
A flick of the wrist movement with such a sword would be more taxing than a sword that is lighter, because it takes less force to move around. Thus, having such a sword to do such attacks with would be disadvantageous to Roy, because it would tire him out due to what he needs to generate to get it moving.
What time he gets the Sword of Seals at does not matter. Skill or no skill, the weight of the weapon plays a part in things.
A sword's blade is not hollow, it is a single piece of metal sharpened to cutting condition. If the Sword of Seals is to be classified as a great sword as someone earlier suggested, then the appearance of the sword belies its own weight.
If you are using a rapier, a typically much lighter sword, how much time do you think it would take for Roy to adjust to the weapon's weight? It would take more than a few days.
The typical rapier weighs about 2.2 lbs (The sword, not the flimsy-looking sport rapier used in fencing), a great sword, according to the source I quoted in my previous post, weighs around 6-10lbs.
That is 2.72-4.54 times heavier than a rapier, and getting used to such a weight change that sudden would not be an instantaneous process. You would need to train your muscles to adjust to the use of such a heavier weapon.
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DK
On the other note (since I cannot see the video on here, and half the time, on my Wii), if a Gorilla is capable of instantaneously accelerating to top speed, the instantaneous acceleration is therefore right at, or nearly equal to the top speed the gorilla can generate.
That would mean that after the cheetah, the gorilla is the fastest accelerating land animal on this planet. Imagine a gorilla attempting to clothesline Roy at such a speed, more than likely, it would break his neck if it hit. Now imagine him successfully ramming his entire body, his full weight, into Roy at that speed. Roy is going to feel that even factoring in his armor, and it will likely stun him quite a bit to have a clambering, 400-500 or so hulk slamming into you.
That could effectively cost him the match and the kill.
DK has another natural weapon available to him if he has eaten prior to the fight, or has it on hand: HIS DUNG.
Not only that, depending on his environment, DK has other weapons available for use. Rocks, sand, grass, sticks, etc. Things he could throw against Roy to either attempt to harm or hinder him. However, I myself and not sure he would know how to use them in a way to hinder him.
If DK somehow avoids a sword swing, that also leave Roy open to attack, after having it swung at him in a threatening manner, DK now realizes the sword is a weapon, and its current intended use is harming him, how do you think his behavior will change during the fight with that in mind?
If you say "it won't, because he is not smart enough" or something along those lines, I am afraid you are sadly mistaken. Primates as they are, it is doubtful that how they would fight wouldn't change.
Like any animal, DK would likely become much more cautious in dealing with Roy.
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I will discuss another scenario in another post.
If I am not mistaken Adumb, that technique you speak of is usually used with a sword that is half the weight or more, of a great sword.
Fact: A 6-10 pound sword will not move easily.
A flick of the wrist movement with such a sword would be more taxing than a sword that is lighter, because it takes less force to move around. Thus, having such a sword to do such attacks with would be disadvantageous to Roy, because it would tire him out due to what he needs to generate to get it moving.
What time he gets the Sword of Seals at does not matter. Skill or no skill, the weight of the weapon plays a part in things.
A sword's blade is not hollow, it is a single piece of metal sharpened to cutting condition. If the Sword of Seals is to be classified as a great sword as someone earlier suggested, then the appearance of the sword belies its own weight.
If you are using a rapier, a typically much lighter sword, how much time do you think it would take for Roy to adjust to the weapon's weight? It would take more than a few days.
The typical rapier weighs about 2.2 lbs (The sword, not the flimsy-looking sport rapier used in fencing), a great sword, according to the source I quoted in my previous post, weighs around 6-10lbs.
That is 2.72-4.54 times heavier than a rapier, and getting used to such a weight change that sudden would not be an instantaneous process. You would need to train your muscles to adjust to the use of such a heavier weapon.
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DK
On the other note (since I cannot see the video on here, and half the time, on my Wii), if a Gorilla is capable of instantaneously accelerating to top speed, the instantaneous acceleration is therefore right at, or nearly equal to the top speed the gorilla can generate.
That would mean that after the cheetah, the gorilla is the fastest accelerating land animal on this planet. Imagine a gorilla attempting to clothesline Roy at such a speed, more than likely, it would break his neck if it hit. Now imagine him successfully ramming his entire body, his full weight, into Roy at that speed. Roy is going to feel that even factoring in his armor, and it will likely stun him quite a bit to have a clambering, 400-500 or so hulk slamming into you.
That could effectively cost him the match and the kill.
DK has another natural weapon available to him if he has eaten prior to the fight, or has it on hand: HIS DUNG.
Not only that, depending on his environment, DK has other weapons available for use. Rocks, sand, grass, sticks, etc. Things he could throw against Roy to either attempt to harm or hinder him. However, I myself and not sure he would know how to use them in a way to hinder him.
If DK somehow avoids a sword swing, that also leave Roy open to attack, after having it swung at him in a threatening manner, DK now realizes the sword is a weapon, and its current intended use is harming him, how do you think his behavior will change during the fight with that in mind?
If you say "it won't, because he is not smart enough" or something along those lines, I am afraid you are sadly mistaken. Primates as they are, it is doubtful that how they would fight wouldn't change.
Like any animal, DK would likely become much more cautious in dealing with Roy.
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I will discuss another scenario in another post.
JOE!
Smash Hero
yay, poop throwing...
anywho, yes, if a big cat changes behavior based on the threat while it fights, why cant a great ape, which is much smarter?
also, Environmental weapons arent really allowed as they are too much of a variable. It's like one of them wins because the other fell in quicksand or some crap...
as for Roy's training, could he possibly have become that skilled with his sword? He was "trained" with a rapier after being thrust in the military at 15 from his far-off studies. The game takes place in under a year (i think...). By the time he gets the sword of seals, he only has it for like a week or so, and isnt even an expertly trained swordsman as he was thrust into service at 15, and hasnt even been given extended periods of time to train, just fight dudes with magic...
*shrug*
anywho, yes, if a big cat changes behavior based on the threat while it fights, why cant a great ape, which is much smarter?
also, Environmental weapons arent really allowed as they are too much of a variable. It's like one of them wins because the other fell in quicksand or some crap...
as for Roy's training, could he possibly have become that skilled with his sword? He was "trained" with a rapier after being thrust in the military at 15 from his far-off studies. The game takes place in under a year (i think...). By the time he gets the sword of seals, he only has it for like a week or so, and isnt even an expertly trained swordsman as he was thrust into service at 15, and hasnt even been given extended periods of time to train, just fight dudes with magic...
*shrug*
Sieguest
Smash Master
1. Roy is a lord
2. At the START of the game he all ready has a rapier implying that he's owned this rapier before being thrust in at that point in time.
3. A common pastime of lords was swordplay, being practiced with the rapier was not uncommon for a noble.
2. At the START of the game he all ready has a rapier implying that he's owned this rapier before being thrust in at that point in time.
3. A common pastime of lords was swordplay, being practiced with the rapier was not uncommon for a noble.
JOE!
Smash Hero
allright (also, lol at the new Avvy 
), but if he has a rapier, doesnt he then lack the stopping power to effectivley space vs DK, like he would have with the sword of seals? (which he would then be inexperienced with vs a rapier)
), but if he has a rapier, doesnt he then lack the stopping power to effectivley space vs DK, like he would have with the sword of seals? (which he would then be inexperienced with vs a rapier)
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A rapier is long, but will it be enough to kill DK? Sure, a thrust with it in DK's chest would be fatal but most likely Roy would either hit DK on the arms or shoulders seeing as DK would likely keep a fighter's stance all the time.
I say it should be a draw. Roy stabs DK, DK crushes Roy next, then DK dies of his wounds?
I say it should be a draw. Roy stabs DK, DK crushes Roy next, then DK dies of his wounds?
Sieguest
Smash Master
If Roy had Rapier, his swings would be faster, seeing as how rapiers are lighter than greatswords, the rapier still has length on it as well, so he could still space by near the same vector example I had used before.allright (also, lol at the new Avvy
And I know, these political avis make me lol XD
Thing is, is it naturally probable that an animal not conditioned to just tank blows and continue a reckless charge, if it sustains a wound it would more likely have it's attention shifted to where it was struck momentarily and then retreat at a lethal threat, if that pattern continued then eventually DK would rack up too many wounds @__@
JOE!
Smash Hero
it honestly depends with the Rapier IMO...
for starters, it doesnt have the *WHOOM* "oh, my hand is on the floor now" effect of the greatsword, and this means it doesnt necesarily have the "stopping" power of it.
This means if Roy for example, gets a cut on DK, sure it will hurt, but it probably wont make DK stop and re-evaluate if he wants to keep fighting liek a Greatsword wound. If Roy hits his Arm, DK *could* shrug it off more easily and continue (as he is faster, bigger, etc) and get that game-ending grab on Roy alot more easily than when faced with a greatsword.
for starters, it doesnt have the *WHOOM* "oh, my hand is on the floor now" effect of the greatsword, and this means it doesnt necesarily have the "stopping" power of it.
This means if Roy for example, gets a cut on DK, sure it will hurt, but it probably wont make DK stop and re-evaluate if he wants to keep fighting liek a Greatsword wound. If Roy hits his Arm, DK *could* shrug it off more easily and continue (as he is faster, bigger, etc) and get that game-ending grab on Roy alot more easily than when faced with a greatsword.
Sieguest
Smash Master
But remember the origin on the Rapier...
It's French for something that means ripping or to rip... getting cut by a rapier is not like getting cut by a knife, that edge rips at the foe, also why it was useful for tearing away light armor.
Stabbing DK's hand is another possibility as well, stab the areas of most threat so that it weakens DK, then continue from there.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Seriously folks, I already laid down the facts, the rest of you should be able to respond, the anti-Roy argument has already been countered with the information I gave before, they're just repeating points and hoping I'll go away at this point.
Anyway, the rapier is far more effective at this MU then the SoS, I already stated that I didn't feel like discussing whether he should have the rapier before, but hey.
It's better because DK is unarmored, he can't resist Roy's sword strikes period, so it's faster, allows him to space better, it's better for landing kill blows (thrusts) and in general it's a more effective weapon for this match-up because it still significantly outranges DK, allowing him to use the same MU strategy, but do it pretty much forever.
Yes, he can still do cuts that lop of fingers and hands, and make deep cuts as long as he doesn't challenge bone. DK charges, Roy thrusts. Yea, this is a far worse MU then the great sword.
Yes, it is more difficult then with a light sword, does it take a great deal of effort? Not really, rotate around the center of weight.
Anyway, I think you're misunderstanding the era, standard issue weaponry for that era was a longsword of some kind (generally the heftier models to batter people to death in their armor). You'll notice that the rapier is the only sword that does not have these attributes.
The rapier training is not assumed, the only reason we know he uses it is because he carries it at the beginning of the game (he wouldn't carry it if he wasn't skilled in it). On the other hand, standard longsword training would be assumed for the nobility, of which he was part of.
If the models he used weren't so weighty, he still had the entire remainder of a military campaign to get used to it.
Honestly, that's slow to a trained fighter, there's plenty of time to react to it.
You seem to be missing the point that the only way for DK to get through Roy's spacing game is by barreling directly through it, a maneuver that has a great deal of start-up (reletive to the subtle counter-measures Roy can take), and makes him highly vulnerable.
This is especially true if you leave your legs free, you can RETREAT immediately following the strike, a very easy motion, and even for heavy strikes you will be capable of defending by the end.
DK is not in range to strike directly, and will not be able to execute a charge strike before Roy can defend.
The skills required are beyond him.
As I said time and time again, this is middle ages, Roy is nobility, there is no way that he hasn't received heavy combat training because the nobility forms the core of the heavy infantry of the day. He would be training from when he was a kid, because it was necessary for EVERYONE.
So, no, you're totally and completely wrong.
Anyway, the rapier is far more effective at this MU then the SoS, I already stated that I didn't feel like discussing whether he should have the rapier before, but hey.
It's better because DK is unarmored, he can't resist Roy's sword strikes period, so it's faster, allows him to space better, it's better for landing kill blows (thrusts) and in general it's a more effective weapon for this match-up because it still significantly outranges DK, allowing him to use the same MU strategy, but do it pretty much forever.
Yes, he can still do cuts that lop of fingers and hands, and make deep cuts as long as he doesn't challenge bone. DK charges, Roy thrusts. Yea, this is a far worse MU then the great sword.
Actually, I did read it, you did not bring a single point that hadn't already been responded to (or didn't respond to in my next post without a direct quote), that's why I didn't both to quote you.
Yes, it is more difficult then with a light sword, does it take a great deal of effort? Not really, rotate around the center of weight.
Anyway, I think you're misunderstanding the era, standard issue weaponry for that era was a longsword of some kind (generally the heftier models to batter people to death in their armor). You'll notice that the rapier is the only sword that does not have these attributes.
The rapier training is not assumed, the only reason we know he uses it is because he carries it at the beginning of the game (he wouldn't carry it if he wasn't skilled in it). On the other hand, standard longsword training would be assumed for the nobility, of which he was part of.
If the models he used weren't so weighty, he still had the entire remainder of a military campaign to get used to it.
Now imagine Roy makes a much easier motion, namely a sidestep and sticks the blade in his path.
Honestly, that's slow to a trained fighter, there's plenty of time to react to it.
You seem to be missing the point that the only way for DK to get through Roy's spacing game is by barreling directly through it, a maneuver that has a great deal of start-up (reletive to the subtle counter-measures Roy can take), and makes him highly vulnerable.
So can Roy (not dung, but the other natural weapons) and time and time again, improvisational weapons have been shown to fail against skilled fighters.
Why does everyone think that, honestly sword swings aren't that vulnerable, even the heavy ones. It's not like they get buried in the ground and ****, it's only vulnerable IF your opponent is in game to strike in under the time you have to ready your weapon to defend, and most sword strikes are intended to use the momentum to bring the sword back to a defensive position.
This is especially true if you leave your legs free, you can RETREAT immediately following the strike, a very easy motion, and even for heavy strikes you will be capable of defending by the end.
DK is not in range to strike directly, and will not be able to execute a charge strike before Roy can defend.
But the finer points of spacing? It's completely laughable that DK would have that down since most human fighters don't have it down, the only reason Roy does is because he's trained in a style that specializes in it.
It's not that he won't change, it's that it's literally impossible for him to change his behavior in a way that will allow him to win.
The skills required are beyond him.
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As I said time and time again, this is middle ages, Roy is nobility, there is no way that he hasn't received heavy combat training because the nobility forms the core of the heavy infantry of the day. He would be training from when he was a kid, because it was necessary for EVERYONE.
So, no, you're totally and completely wrong.
JOE!
Smash Hero
the thing I dont get is, that DK and Roy have comparable reach due to DK's size, and Roy's comparativley short...longsword?
now, DK has 2 thigns to hit with (hands/arms) while Roy has 1.
what happens if Dk grabs Roy's arm? (well within possibility, and acommon tactic for Apes while fighting : grab the limbs)
now, DK has 2 thigns to hit with (hands/arms) while Roy has 1.
what happens if Dk grabs Roy's arm? (well within possibility, and acommon tactic for Apes while fighting : grab the limbs)
REL38
Smash Lord
The cutting part of a sword is from the tip all the way to handle.
Just as long, give or take, as DK's arm.
DK can't use any of his reach usefully because it leaves him very vulnerable for attack (jabs/strikes to arm).
Just like in Smash, everytime he attacks, his hitbox is extended which leaves room for counters.
Chances of DK getting close enough for him to grab Roy is way low due to how Roy will not be letting that happen due to spacing.
Spacing
Spacing
Spacing
JOE!
Smash Hero
Roy's reach INCLUDING his own arm = DKs reach, it's not just his sword. This is how big DK is compared to a 15 year old.
Just like in Smash, everytime he attacks, his hitbox is extended which leaves room for counters.
Not true, his smashes actually have decent disjoint to them
Chances of DK getting close enough for him to grab Roy is way low due to how Roy will not be letting that happen due to spacing.
as for spacing, how can he effectivley space vs something faster than him with the same range? Even if he has the sword helping him, he essentially has to be PERFECt and NEVER get touched, whereas DK can take some cuts in the process of getting that all important contact
N.A.G.A.C.E
Smash Champion
i think DK would win but be very injured.
first off gorillas are fast big and strong as hell. both his arms and legs can be used to attack and even through a sword could cut through him gorilla's skin is much harder to cut then human plus cutting through bone is very difficult.
so how i see this going down is DK rushes at Roy, Roy swings his sword at him hits DK but does not kill him and before he can swing again DK is on him and roy is ripped apart. i mean to kill a gorilla with one sword swing word be very difficult and u would have to hit a vital spot.
DK will be slashed or ripped and with out a vet might die after some time in the wild but he will of killed roy before this happens
first off gorillas are fast big and strong as hell. both his arms and legs can be used to attack and even through a sword could cut through him gorilla's skin is much harder to cut then human plus cutting through bone is very difficult.
so how i see this going down is DK rushes at Roy, Roy swings his sword at him hits DK but does not kill him and before he can swing again DK is on him and roy is ripped apart. i mean to kill a gorilla with one sword swing word be very difficult and u would have to hit a vital spot.
DK will be slashed or ripped and with out a vet might die after some time in the wild but he will of killed roy before this happens
Sieguest
Smash Master
Why would he grab at the arm if the rapier has a use for thrusting? That's like running into the ****. I'll have more later when I get some sleep.
JOE!
Smash Hero
doesnt a thrust take alot of commitment? Leaving Roy open for a change?
REL38
Smash Lord
What I was getting at was that they have similar range. Didn't word it right :/
But DK's entire range is also his hitbox. Roy jabs at DK's arms after the cool-down lag.
DK's speed is hardly a factor here. If anything, it's the rate of how fast he can accelerate by and agility. A rush has enough lag that Roy can dodge+counter and Roy has better agility.
These "cuts" can range from barely hit paper cuts to a few inches deep wounds.
DK can't tank varying amounts of these.
An animal gets desperate when it's losing as it leads to death. DK probably won't run. A rush is counterable. He'll resort to standing his ground by giving off arm swings with his already bleeding arms. By this time, he'll be slower and Roy can get off a few more jabs/slashes until DK is rendered exhausted from blood loss and drained stamina.
Roy goes for the finishing blow.
DK can't approach.
It leaves him open and is counterable.
He can't directly get to Roy because of the sword.
The fact that approaching causes him wounds makes any sort of rushes less likely. He'd be smart enough to see that getting too close means he'll get hurt.
Besides, if ya wanna get technical with this:
Balanced like a gorilla, JOE?
A real gorilla has those beefy back legs to give em' a quick rush.
DK lacks those beefy back legs to have any sort of rush.
In regards to hitbox, D3 can grab DK outta almost every attack he's got.
Even his Bair
That's right, he grabs his foot.
Sieguest
Smash Master
But if DKs reaching out to him, then DK basically just left himself open for a thrust with almost no risk for Roy.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
As I remember, we have yet to establish that DK is canonically a gorilla.
We need some evidence of this, because if there's no evidence, we already established that his body is so mal-proportioned that he becomes completely ineffectual anyway because he's then very slow, and he can't attack effectively.
But if we establish he is, Roy significantly outranges him.
While Marthage is right in concept (why do you think highly disjointed hitboxes are valuable in smash? The function essentially the same in real life), but it doesn't really matter, because DK if proven a gorilla is far outranged by Roy. If not proven so, he's stuck with the inherent attributes of the character which are unbalanced enough to destroy his attack and movement speed.
We need some evidence of this, because if there's no evidence, we already established that his body is so mal-proportioned that he becomes completely ineffectual anyway because he's then very slow, and he can't attack effectively.
But if we establish he is, Roy significantly outranges him.
While Marthage is right in concept (why do you think highly disjointed hitboxes are valuable in smash? The function essentially the same in real life), but it doesn't really matter, because DK if proven a gorilla is far outranged by Roy. If not proven so, he's stuck with the inherent attributes of the character which are unbalanced enough to destroy his attack and movement speed.
maybe for you
small thrusts don't take much effort.
Try to understand this concept:
All Roy has to do is just hold his sword and swat any attempt DK makes.
It makes it DK practically trying to beat a cactus with his bare hands.
Accelerate into a cactus and see how you fare out.
Like Kaka-REL is saying spacing is rather easy if you do it right.
All Roy has to do is just hold his sword and swat any attempt DK makes.
It makes it DK practically trying to beat a cactus with his bare hands.
Accelerate into a cactus and see how you fare out.
Like Kaka-REL is saying spacing is rather easy if you do it right.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
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Not at all, it's actually one of the hardest skills in the world to learn because you need to be able to immediately estimate your opponent's effective range based on their physical attributes, and use that combined with an intimate knowledge of your own attributes to realize the distance that is optimal for you, and defend that position.
But that's probably not what you meant, for somebody with years and years of training in spacing, spacing against anyone that hasn't had the same is gonna be a cakewalk.
Even if DK knew how to space with the finess that Roy has, his biggest problem is he has no way to protect his method of obtaining that spacing, so he's just gotta walk in and hope he doesn't get hit.
JOE!
Smash Hero
again: is Roy *that* experienced to be able to do this VS somethign he has never encountered before?
DK is a giant ape (and no, he is rather balanced for how he moves, the giant arms also act as supports for his weight when he needs them, remember. If anything his dimentions are like that of an Orangutan, which can actually walk on their hind legs. DK simply has those dimentions with a bulky Gorrila-esque physique)
Roy was said to be pulled off to war during his Studies as a scholar. Keep in mind that he is only 15, and not exactly fully developed yet. He would most likley be trained vs Other swordsman/kids his age for a style of combat completley different than what he'd see from a raging Simian. On top of this, him being 15 and clearly sent of for scholastic purposes (thus why he is so cunning in his game) means his training may be limited. Combined with his under-developed physique, could he really have the skill Adum explains to perfectly go ahead and dispatch a giant ape one on one?
now, seeing as DK is faster, ROy cannot space *as* effectivley as you guys lead on, as he cannot really retreat or move around as DK can easily follow him, negating Roy's movement.
His sword is only so long, and that is his only lifeline here. What is to stop DK from reaching in after Roy takes a swing with those big arms of his, and grabbing the arm that swung?
It can also be said vice versa JOE.
has DK ever faced a swordsman? would he know what to do against a weapon he's never seen?
yeah but if he's relying on his front limbs for support it's going to be harder for him to attack in general. having an huge shift from what was already balanced messes things up for DK.
Okay knight in training, he would start off as a page at a very young age, like 7. he'd work for the knight training him and learn war tactics and some sword training. He'd become a squire then and focus more on sword training, lances and he'd wear armor. At 21 he'd be a knight.
Notice how he doesn't train with other squires, He trains with the knight teaching him. EVERY DAY.
Since Roy was born into higher mobility (amirite? IDK don't remember) so he'd go through rigorous training since he'd take his Fathers place as the king. Training with other pages? not training more like fighting, he'd train and learn from other nobles and his father.
And being in war gives him more experiences. Teaches him to keep on his toes, survival tactics. So when he ends up in some one on one like this, he'd know to keep his distance and learn his opponents range so he can figure out how to work blows in until his opponent is too weak to move so he can kill.
with the heavy reliance of DK's upper arms he can't run up and attack just like that. he can run up sure but he's wide open, also if he tries attacking it's very pronounced so Roy can get out of the way.
Sword + armor + Knight training vs. Skin + arms dependent for both movement and attacks + nature.
if DK takes a swing he has to commit and cant give chase while attacking making it easy for Roy to move and score counterblows.
Beren Zaiga
Smash Ace
I'd venture to say he has seen a sword before.
Captain K.Rool had a sabre, chances are he had it pointed at him at least once or twice, it was probably used in a threatening manner too.
However, throwing canon out the door, then both fighters are up against something they have never seen before. A sword and a simian.
Since Roy has probably never seen a gorilla or otherwise before, he doesn't know how DK will behave.
If DK does get close and isn't hit with a thrust, Roy is open. This is because DK is in such close proximity to DK that it will be almost like a sword fight in an alleyway: he cannot swing it effectively. This is because any of DK's body's parts can get in the way of a slash, and a thrust when DK is in a position to pin him down would not be strategically sound.
What else is the fact that if DK does gain speed, he could bring his arm up to grab Roy by the face, neck, arm, etc. He is still open.
Also, if he does cut DK, he may also send DK into a rage.
Remember the term "Force of Nature", history shows that when an animal is in a rage, they become an almost unstoppable force. What do you think will happen to Roy then? At that point, DK will probably do anything his brain can think of to come out on top, because he would likely be defending his territory and he doesn't want to lose it to another animal - namely us.
Desperation is an underdog.
Done.
he did? I looked on the mariowiki, he had a blunderbuss, but I saw no sabre what game?
Beren Zaiga
Smash Ace
Didn't he? *Goes to check Google Images and such*
Also read the rest of my post, I edited it.
*Comes back.* Never-mind. *Goes to edit post AGAIN*
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Actually that makes DK far LESS likely to win.
There is nothing practiced spacing tactics are more uniquely suited to obliterating then rage tactics.
oh wow and I had like a bunch of quotes I was going to post too.
Oh wait I still do.
read. I know you can do it guys. If you're illiterate then you wouldn't be able to post here now would you?
EDIT: OMFG 10 MORE POSTS
**** YES
**** wyoming
JOE!
Smash Hero
how so? Would a 15 year old stay calm as a RAMPAGING GIANT APE attacks them, in order to do the necesary spacing?
JOE!
Smash Hero
15 years old, who didnt spend the whole time training, and when he did, it most likley wasnt against SCARY GIANT APES
oh right of course he spent 8 years training with an animal FAR SMARTER THEN AN APE WITH ARMOR AND WEAPONS.
oh no he has no chance.
/sarcasm
JOE!
Smash Hero
is there proof he started at age 7?
all we know of him is that he was pulled from his "Studies" to go back home and fight for his country
all we know of him is that he was pulled from his "Studies" to go back home and fight for his country
Knights start their training at age 7 as a page
GOD I said that already, AND ON THIS PAGE!
LOOK!
he trains with the knight because he has much more experience and can prepare him early for the duties of a knight.
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Smash Lord
So a training swordsman wouldn't be subjected to pressure so he'd know how to handle life and death situations?
lolwut?
Heck, many forms of combat subject the pupil to pressure so they'll react effectively when the time calls for it.
Besides, didn't Fire Emblem games have Dragoons?
I hear those are pretty scary
in the middle ages Archers were scary enough.So a training swordsman wouldn't be subjected to pressure so he'd know how to handle life and death situations?
lolwut?
Heck, many forms of combat subject the pupil to pressure so they'll react effectively when the time calls for it.
Besides, didn't Fire Emblem games have Dragoons?
I hear those are pretty scary
**** srsly.