TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

[xepherthree]

Ganondorf's able to break metal chains WHILE tied to a humongous boulder with his own brute strength alone.

So, It really doesn't matter weather or not Ganondorf has less options to kill with.

I don't believe that. think about. Why is it called the Triforce of Power If it didn't do anything other than revive him at a specific time? The guidebook for TP says something along the lines of "But right when the sword plunged through his chest, his power manifested. He survived being struck by the sword and used his newfound power to break out of the chains." And it didn't revive him, it put him in a state where the sword wouldn't kill him.

And even if I"m wrong, Triforces of power don't exist. And also, the Triforce gave him the power to break out of the chains.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

as for ganon, think we should give him the same treatment?

lets see...he has appeared as....7tf, and 9ft?

so...8ft should be reasonable? <.<

I enjoy how you only increased Ganon's height after that height post of yours.

Anyways, something to add onto my last post:

@Nova: More options to kill with doesn't help much when Ganondorf can kill Bowser faster, with just a very hard punch shot to the head.

Look at the first 30 seconds - a minute of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dc9bps1ch0

Really, watch that.

After the sage impaled him, he was REVIVED by his triforce of power, his triforce of power didn't give that strength.

Look at this: They chained him to a boulder and impaled him with a blade of light, but the Triforce of Power revived him. Ganondorf broke his chains and killed the Sage of Water; In a hasty act, the surviving sages activated the Mirror of Twilight and banished Ganondorf to the Twilight Realm.

Source: http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Sages

"They chained him to a boulder, and then impaled him with a blade of light, but the Triforce of Power revived him. Ganondorf broke his chains and killed the Sage of Water..."

Ganondorf's able to break metal chains WHILE tied to a humongous boulder with his own brute strength alone.

So, It really doesn't matter weather or not Ganondorf has less options to kill with.

You could see around 19 second, the Triforce of Power flashes then quickly goes away, that's when it revived Ganondorf. Don't confuse his brute strength with the additional strength the Triforce of Power provides him. What Ganon does after he has been revived isn't related to his Triforce of Power at all.

 

[adumbrodeus]

@Adum: Wait, what? Bowser isn't intelligent, he's dumb in like all his games, so that's what we're using. Bigger head =/= intelligence.

"Intelligence" here refers to sentience, aka, he can think.

He's also got an issue of "he seems reasonably smart, but does things for the convenience of the plot".

Okay, so look at this video (only the first few seconds): Ganondorf's Sword

Ganondorf's sword is like 15 pound, which is indeed INSANELY heavy. In that video you could see Ganon only using one hand to hold his 15 pound sword. Only one hand. He moves and attacks with it like it's a toothpick. That should tell us something. Ganondorf is insanely strong, even stronger than what we're currently making him out to be.

Oh and, guys, Bowser isn't 10 feet tall. His average height is 7 feet. If you're gonna make him 10 feet tall, that wouldn't be fair.

Ummm, that's not humanly possible.

 

[UncleSam]

Seeing how theres no triforce of power IRL his strength is not that of the game any way

Remember, parts of the triforce were infused as pure human energy. Zelda got amazing intelligence with triforce of wisdom (yet she still gets captured lol)
Ganondorf gets amazing Power with the Triforce of Strength (sort of like an adrenaline rush at will... or steroids)
and Link has the Triforce of Courage (keeps him from going emo)
Ganon is around 8'something" and Bowser is 9'3"
@adum- I already said Ganondorf's Blade is 4-7lbs.
old quoted statement is old

 

[REL38]

You guys are just being silly now.

Utilizing anything from the NES and Supa NES in regards to Bowser's height is greatly flawed.
Sprite and pixel limitations was one problem. they couldn't make him too big.

The second problem is that there was no need to make him rediciously huge.
The target audience for Mario games have been for kids. What will some kids do when they see a hugawesomous monster in a kid friendly game?
Either get intimidated or discouraged.
That effects sales. That's why most bosses back then for Mario games weren't too big. To make the player feel like they have a chance.

We go by the later renditions of the Koopa as 3D came into play and there was no longer graphical limitations. With the available technology, they also decided to go ahead and make bosses larger because in comparison to the vast worlds, they won't be as intimidating as back when they were limited to 2D.


Bowser is a Koopa. Something we don't have on Earth. His intelligence cannot be compared to Earth animals as none of them share all of Bowser's physical or anatomical features.


Armor was made to protect from sword/weapon blows from humans. Bowser is not a human. He has a driving attack force much, much greater than that of a human. Bowser using an arm slash could very well pierce Ganon's armor.
His arm power can be compared to that of a bear which is capable of killing the average human if attacked at the head. Bowser's arm power would be "x" times greater than that of a bear.


Just cuz one person says, "But that's not fair!", doesn't mean everything has to fall apart :/

 

[Ray_Kalm]

"Intelligence" here refers to sentience, aka, he can think.

He's also got an issue of "he seems reasonably smart, but does things for the convenience of the plot".



Ummm, that's not humanly possible.

So wait, you're telling me that Ganondorf has human limitations because he's human and Bowser doesn't because he's not?

Lol, that's bias.

 

[UncleSam]

So wait, you're telling me that Ganondorf has human limitations because he's human and Bowser doesn't because he's not?

Lol, that's bias.

Adum stop being a Misanthrope loljk

 

[xepherthree]

So wait, you're telling me that Ganondorf has human limitations because he's human and Bowser doesn't because he's not?

Lol, that's bias.

Well, yes.
If that weren't the case, ROB would be a competitor. Is a cheetah a human? No. Does it go by human limitations? No. Why should human limitations apply to a non-human? It's not bias. It's real.

 

[UncleSam]

but apparently Bowser doesn't get his respective animal limitations.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

I don't believe that. think about. Why is it called the Triforce of Power If it didn't do anything other than revive him at a specific time? The guidebook for TP says something along the lines of "But right when the sword plunged through his chest, his power manifested. He survived being struck by the sword and used his newfound power to break out of the chains." And it didn't revive him, it put him in a state where the sword wouldn't kill him.

And even if I"m wrong, Triforces of power don't exist. And also, the Triforce gave him the power to break out of the chains.

@Xeph: The Triforce of Power embodies the essence of Din, the goddess of Power, and amplifies the magical power of its bearer immeasurably. It is usually associated with Ganon. The Triforce of Wisdom embodies the essence of Nayru, the goddess of Wisdom, and amplifies the wisdom and mystical powers of its bearer. It is usually associated with Princess Zelda. The Triforce of Courage embodies the essence of Farore, the goddess of Courage, and seems to amplify the courage and adventuring skills of its bearer. It is usually associated with Link.

I quoted that from Wiki.

The Triforce of Power DOESN'T provide Ganon all his strength not even in canon, so basically his power from his games was his actual brute force. Ganon's strength will be inhuman in the real world, he shouldn't be classified as one.

 

[UncleSam]

Homo-Gerudo

 

[xepherthree]

but apparently Bowser doesn't get his respective animal limitations.

Its a thing in math called the law of detachment. p ->q. p and then something like that. And if P is happening, then q is too.

Humans know the limitations of animals except koopas.
Bowser is a koopa.
We don't know the limitations of bowser.

p=being a koopa
q=humans not knowing the limitations
P is happening
So Q is also

 

[Nova9000]

@Ray
Triforce=Canon. Try again. And Ganon will have a hard time killing him as fast as you assume he will.
And about your "unfair" thing about size:
And for it to be unfair is biased. The point of this thread is to make it unfair and make thses situations in RL terms. If we went along with this, then:
* ICs are adults
*ROB and GW can exist as characters in this thread
*Kirby, Jiggs (and MK) can have lungs and fly
*Pokemon have all their elemental abilities
*Sonic and Yoshi could actually run like they do in their games
See where I'm going? Being unfair makes these things realistic.

 

[JOE!]

made a chart here...shows the averaged sizes of the bowser appearances as posted by Ray, along with the two heights of Ganon

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Homo-Gerudo

This. Ganon's mother and father were both unknown, he was raised by surrogate mothers, all of which who weren't human.

 

[JOE!]

also, really....i dont wanna come off as bias on bowser's part...its just he's had more stuff to go over...

 

[Ray_Kalm]

@Ray
Triforce=Canon. Try again. And Ganon will have a hard time killing him as fast as you assume he will.
And about your "unfair" thing about size:
And for it to be unfair is biased. The point of this thread is to make it unfair and make thses situations in RL terms. If we went along with this, then:
* ICs are adults
*ROB and GW can exist as characters in this thread
*Kirby, Jiggs (and MK) can have lungs and fly
*Pokemon have all their elemental abilities
*Sonic and Yoshi could actually run like they do in their games
See where I'm going? Being unfair makes these things realistic.

Did you even read my posts properly? The Triforce of Power does NOT provide Ganon his strength. He provides himself his strength. He broke metal chains while tied to a very huge boulder in his game, with his own strength alone.

 

[UncleSam]

Were not the onl ones believing Bowser's size even The Bowser Shrine claims him to be almost 10ft and 2'600 lbs

http://www.bowsershrine.com/bowserprofile.php
Height:9'3" or 282 cm (estimated)

Weight: 2,600 lbs or 1,180 kg (estimated)

when I look for Ganondorf's height I get somewhere around 7-9ft. there was only 1 time it said 6ft most links were around 8 give or take.
Also I get a link to this thread when I google search it lol.
there isn't much height difference

this is for JOE.

Its a thing in math called the law of detachment. p ->q. p and then something like that. And if P is happening, then q is too.

Humans know the limitations of animals except koopas.
Bowser is a koopa.
We don't know the limitations of bowser.

p=being a koopa
q=humans not knowing the limitations
P is happening
So Q is also

I know about this, that's why we apply him to RL and make comparisons until we make a sizable comparison to that of a species on this planet.

It what it used to be.
somehow we stopped.
IDKY it seemed perfectly fine when we were doing it.
we could have made lucario a "lucario" but we didn't and it changed things up.
at some point somebody threw this out the window

 

[xepherthree]

Nice chart JOE :D

And Ray, A gerudo doesn't matter.
You just proved that bowser clearly wins in brute force.
With magical powers not being real, the triforce doesn't matter.
And if Ganon broke metal chains, I'm pretty sure Bowser can too.

So basically:

Power: Bowser

Options: Bowser

Speed: Ganon

Armor: Ganon

Long Range: N/A

Intangibles: Bowser(Fire)

Winner: Bowser

@Sam

I didn't know that. Sorry.
But like you said, I wasn't there for how it used to be.

 

[JOE!]

sam, problem with that is that everywhere says he is 7ft average, that site says 9'3"

but, when going through his appearances and giving it an actual mathematical approach...he ends up being between 13'3" and 16'8" o_O

this ******* has so many inconsistancies....

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Nice chart JOE :D

And Ray, A gerudo doesn't matter.
You just proved that bowser clearly wins in brute force.
With magical powers not being real, the triforce doesn't matter.
And if Ganon broke metal chains, I'm pretty sure Bowser can too.

So basically:

Power: Bowser

Options: Bowser

Speed: Ganon

Armor: Ganon

Long Range: N/A

Intangibles: Bowser(Fire)

Winner: Bowser

@Sam

I didn't know that. Sorry.
But like you said, I wasn't there for how it used to be.

I was basically proving that Ganon is possibly stronger than Bowser with brute force.

 

[JOE!]

how can that be when bowser is so much more massive?

even if they are the same height, bowser is still much wider and longer than ganon, which makes him still much, much bigger o_O

 

[REL38]

@Ray

Humans aren't capable of breaking chains.

Saying he's "inhuman" doesn't justify the impossibility of doing so IRL.

Try again.

Beasts will always be stronger than the most muscle bound humans.
That's a fact.

 

[UncleSam]

@Sam

I didn't know that. Sorry.
But like you said, I wasn't there for how it used to be.

naw it's cool, we just used our heads then instead of:

this ******* has so many inconsistancies....

who... me or bowser?


Ray- or just as strong, he is wielding a weapon, which will bolster his strength, maybe he isn't has strong hand to hand, but The master swordsman lets his blade do the talking.
EDIT:
joe- he becomes a bigger target

 

[Ray_Kalm]

@Ray

Humans aren't capable of breaking chains.

Saying he's "inhuman" doesn't justify the impossibility of doing so IRL.

Try again.

Lol, what? If we go by what you're saying, Bowser's also inhuman, he doesn't exist in real. So, Bowser's existence is false.

 

[justaway12]

Can Bowser have his ball and chain?

@Ray Kalm: I'm pretty sure that's not humanly possible =/
If you want to be like that play Super Mario 64, his jump could break floors and make earthquakes =/

 

[Nova9000]

Did you even read my posts properly? The Triforce of Power does NOT provide Ganon his strength. He provides himself his strength. He broke metal chains while tied to a very huge boulder in his game, with his own strength alone.

No I didn't. I read what you directed at me and you said the triforce of Power. He can be as strong to break a chain but to punch Bowser and cause harm? And you said Ganon has the brains. Do you even know what points you are trying to make anymore? I've been keeping up for the most part the stuff you and JOE! have been saying and your arguments seem to be on treadmill status.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Can Bowser have his ball and chain?

@Ray Kalm: I'm pretty sure that's not humanly possible =/
If you want to be like that play Super Mario 64, his jump could break floors and make earthquakes =/

Stop classifying Ganon as human.

 

[JOE!]

Lol, what? If we go by what you're saying, Bowser's also inhuman, he doesn't exist in real. So, Bowser's existence is false.

dude...stop and think about what you just said.


by this logic, no other thing besides homo-sapiense would be on the planet right now, because theyre inhuman.

EDIT:

i meant bowser, Sam

and as for bigger target, yeah he becomes one...a tremendous target.

But at the same time, does Ganon benifit more from that?

Bowser would become tougher/stronger as Ganon comparitivley becomes weaker to him

 

[justaway12]

Humanly possible I mean that he can't do that IRL =/
So what, Bowser can now make earthquakes? If so, I'm pretty sure Bowser has this

 

[REL38]

Lol, what? If we go by what you're saying, Bowser's also inhuman, he doesn't exist in real. So, Bowser's existence is false.

Does a cheetah run 70 mph while humans can't?
Isn't that "inhuman" for people to accomplish?

You're missing the point here.

Animals posses many "inhuman" abilities that humans have no hopes in accomplishing. A bear will outstrength the most musclebound guy.

Bowser will outstrength Ganon.

Try again

 

[UncleSam]

Humanly possible I mean that he can't do that IRL =/
So what, Bowser can now make earthquakes? If so, I'm pretty sure Bowser has this

your confusion is confusing me.
Bowser doesn't have the power to move 2 continental plates by jumping.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

dude...stop and think about what you just said.


by this logic, no other thing besides homo-sapiense would be on the planet right now, because theyre inhuman.

EDIT:

i meant bowser, Sam

and as for bigger target, yeah he becomes one...a tremendous target.

But at the same time, does Ganon benifit more from that?

Bowser would become tougher/stronger as Ganon comparitivley becomes weaker to him

That's exactly why I'm saying that Ganon shouldn't be classified as a human.

@Just: Yes, Ganondorf could create earthquakes. I don't really think Bowser can though. He definitely can't lift his own weight, so I doubt he could jump to create them.

 

[Rialdospaldacht]

Okay, since size keeps coming up, I'll repost this:

In OoT, here's a hack of FD Link fighting bosses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei6sFcRo_Bk

Starting at 9:20, notice how short Dark Link is compared to him. Dark Link is the same height as Link, who in-game measures 5'3 and Word of God says 5'4.

Now in this one, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSPKO5JbLYg&feature=related, he fights Ganondorf at 1:45. Notice how Ganondorf is still a good head and neck taller than him.

And in WW, look at this artwork: http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/7/7a/GanondorfBattleWW.jpg

Does that look anything like a normal height to you? He's almost three times Link's height.

And even in SSBM, If Link is still 5'4, then I've found through hacking and model resizing that Ganondorf is 7'1, which is smaller than canon, but still friggin' tall.

In Brawl, I haven't hacked so I don't know how tall he is there.

Also, Mario's 5'1. Figure out Bowser from there.

 

[UncleSam]

i Meant Bowser, Sam

K .

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Does a cheetah run 70 mph while humans can't?
Isn't that "inhuman" for people to accomplish?

You're missing the point here.

Animals posses many "inhuman" abilities that humans have no hopes in accomplishing. A bear will outstrength the most musclebound guy.

Bowser will outstrength Ganon.

Try again

Funny, I wasn't talking about Bowser's "inhuman strength" at all, I was talking about his inhuman existence.

 

[JOE!]

he needs to eat a whole lotta wheaties..and he's a carnivore so he cant do that

anywho, Ray, i think you're missing a point here: Bowser is much, much, MUCH more massive than ganon...


the whole tone vs bulk thing doesnt even apply here due to the two fighters being incomparable.

What ganon does have is STEEL, and SPEED.

this is definatley gonna be a close match...we juts need to ground these fighters

 

[justaway12]

your confusion is confusing me.
Bowser doesn't have the power to move 2 continental plates by jumping.

Ray said Ganon can break his chains because Ganon is his own species and it's shown in his game, I say Bowser can make earthquakes because it's shown in his game and Bowser is his own species, I was being sarcastic.

JOE! can Bowser have his Ball and Chain?

 

[UncleSam]

he needs to eat a whole lotta wheaties..and he's a carnivore so he cant do that

I lol'd so hard at this.

better eat your wheaties

 

[REL38]

That's exactly why I'm saying that Ganon shouldn't be classified as a human.

@Just: Yes, Ganondorf could create earthquakes. I don't really think Bowser can though. He definitely can't lift his own weight, so I doubt he could jump to create them.

Your logic is completely flawed and heavily biased.

Ganon has no Triforce Magic to revive himself.
Ganon has no "superhuman" strength.
Ganon cannot eat a rock with a side of bacon.

If you're suggesting that he not be classified as human due to his strength, then you tell me. What should he be classified as, hmm?


Just to add, fish must have an inhuman existence since they can breathe UNDERWATER and we humans can't!

Lolwut?

Do you even know what "inhuman" means?