Tales of Symphonia Mafia | Game Over - Town Wins Yayuhzz

[DtJ Hilt]

That's a bit of a stretch, calling that a contradiction, Riddler.

*Zac makes a small contradiction about why he voted for Swiss*
"Okay, scummy but not enough for me to vote yet."
*Zac makes a huge contradiction about his claim*
"Okay yeah **** that, willing to vote/hammer"

Did you think I was talking about the same thing in both posts? Where did I make a contradiction?

Zac, answer the questions you're asked, please. What did you mean in this post:

I don't think my character is really helpful as of now. Hard to say, I don't know much about flavor abilities.

 

[Riddle]

Lol, I don't actually have a town play style.

Look at my completed games. Been town in one (replaced in LOTR too but got NK'd within 24 hrs). As for how similar I played there and here - I haven't a clue

I'm ALWAYS scum.

Didn't answer the question.

Do you or do you not agree that your play in this game matches up with your scum meta?

 

[Riddle]

Zac is actually at L-2 I believe.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Man, Hydras are dumb.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

"Listen up, inferior beings! I am Forcystus, one of the Five Desian Grand Cardinals. I am a superior half-elf who rules over the farm where we cultivate you pathetic humans. Lloyd! You, a human, have been found guilty for the crime of violating the non-aggression treaty. Therefore, I bring judgment upon you and this village!"

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Swiss - 2: Chacotaco, Blue Yoshi
UTDZac - 5: Vult Redux, X1-12, Swiss, Thinkaman, Sworddancer
Blue Yoshi - 1: Hilt
Tandora - 1: Rajam
Hilt - 1: Dr. Riddler

Not Voting: Tandora, UTDZac, Marshigio

Takes 7 / 13 to lynch!

 

[Swiss]

Didn't answer the question.

Do you or do you not agree that your play in this game matches up with your scum meta?

Probably matches one of my previous games as scum, yes.

My point is I have no total meta. It's all about relativity, and you have no town meta to compare it to.


I always play in a way which I think appears townie, so it's hard for me to judge.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Alright, heading out now guys. I'll be back to post sometime Sunday.

 

[Riddle]

You are playing very different from how you did in Newbie 7 (both versions) and very similar to how you were in Pikmafia imo.

 

[Riddle]

I always play in a way which I think appears townie

Would you say thats how you're playing now?

 

[Swiss]

You are playing very different from how you did in Newbie 7 (both versions) and very similar to how you were in Pikmafia imo.

Well, yay.

Would you say thats how you're playing now?

Yes. I took us straight out of RVS, gave an opportunity or fail scum to out themselves and created a bandwagon for spineless people to hop on etc etc

Imo town play.

 

[Swiss]

I'm not saying pro town play necessitates that I am town, either. In Pikmafia I made MAJOR pro town moves as scum.


Anyway, can we stop with all the meta'ing.

 

[Riddle]

I took us straight out of RVS, gave an opportunity or fail scum to out themselves and created a bandwagon for spineless people to hop on etc etc

Acting scummy isn't pro-town. Stop pretending it is.

I'm not saying pro town play necessitates that I am town, either. In Pikmafia I made MAJOR pro town moves as scum.


Anyway, can we stop with all the meta'ing.

No you didnt. And no, meta is valid. You just don't like it because I'm using it to incriminate you.

I'd just like everyone to realize what Swiss has just said:

He ADMITS to trying to seem townie which is a very scummy motive and then goes on to dismiss and try to justify his scummy play as pro-town by claiming that he did it with the intention of getting us out of RVS and causing scum to hop on his wagon.

I'm letting Macman control the vote right now, but I would definitely vote Swiss if I were playing alone.

 

[Swiss]

Excuse me?

I said I always try to appear pro town. Which I do. Why would it be beneficial for a townie to try and appear scummy?

I don't mind a bit of meta, I just think you are relying on it way too much. Especially given the fact you don't have much to meta me on.

 

[Swiss]

He ADMITS to trying to seem townie which is a very scummy motive and then goes on to dismiss and try to justify his scummy play as pro-town by claiming that he did it with the intention of getting us out of RVS and causing scum to hop on his wagon.

Taking us out of RVS straight away is a speciality of mine. Look at my meta seeings as you love it so much.

BOOM.

 

[Riddle]

I've played with you in a bunch of games, I have plenty to meta off of.

Trying to appear like town is scums main goal. Scumhunting is towns. You should never be actively trying to seem like town when you are town.

Getting town out of RVS by acting scummy is anti-town. It always happens quickly anyway and being intentionally scummy is never good.

 

[Swiss]

I completely disagree.

 

[Swiss]

I've played with you in a bunch of games, I have plenty to meta off of.

Trying to appear like town is scums main goal. Scumhunting is towns. You should never be actively trying to seem like town when you are town.

Getting town out of RVS by acting scummy is anti-town. It always happens quickly anyway and being intentionally scummy is never good.

To be more concise - I ALWAYS try to appear town by the logic that I do not try to be scummy. This is more semantics than play style.

Also I do honestly think what I did was useful, it got me my read on Zac which I'm sticking by. I can agree that D1 does always seem to be the day I'm most suspected of being scum, and that I can slightly hinder town in some respects - I'm almost always targeted N1 by a town power role - which implies I did appear scummy, but the information I obtain is useful, imo. That IS how I scumhunt D1.

 

[Dr. Riddler]

That's a bit of a stretch, calling that a contradiction, Riddler.

*Zac makes a small contradiction about why he voted for Swiss*
"Okay, scummy but not enough for me to vote yet."
*Zac makes a huge contradiction about his claim*
"Okay yeah **** that, willing to vote/hammer"

Did you think I was talking about the same thing in both posts? Where did I make a contradiction?

Zac, answer the questions you're asked, please. What did you mean in this post:

yea i did.

what was the contradiction about his claim?

 

[Dr. Riddler]

vote: swiss
for now

 

[Swiss]

@ Mod what's the BY situation?

Zac, could you confirm that you claim Vanilla Townie? That's all I need to know.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I`ll answer that for you.

If there is someone who can replace me right now, can I replace out? I've got so much on my plate right now, I really should not be playing a mafia game right now.

Sorry Gheb, and everyone playing.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

lol riddlers zac vote and asking "did i hammer?" is precisely why i unvoted zac earlier

this means nix joins aye?

 

[Riddle]

Yeah, mac was only halfway through rereadin when he did that lol.

 

[Tandora]

I'm am up for either a Zac or Swiss lynch.

How close to the deadline do we want to get before pushing for a hammer? I am all for letting a day go as long as possible to get more information, but I will be V/LA from Wednesday the 4th to Sunday the 8th.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

well personally id like to hear nixs thoughts on the game. rajam should read the game. and vult comes back

 

[UTDZac]

Zac, answer the questions you're asked, please. What did you mean in this post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by UTDZac
I don't think my character is really helpful as of now. Hard to say, I don't know much about flavor abilities.

I, by myself, don't have any abilities (aka vanilla). However, I think it's possible that others may have abilities that interact with my character. That's why I was asking about flavor. I don't know anything about it myself, and it doesn't help that I haven't played the game in years. That's all I've got. So other than that, I'm merely vanilla town taking the fire Day 1 to help you guys find scum patterns or w/e.

 

[Tandora]

If you're vanilla, why do you think other characters abilities could interact with you?

 

[UTDZac]

I guess I'm just too used to playing in Overswarm's mafia games where anythings possible. I try not to restrict my thinking if possible, that's why I was asking about flavor. From what it sounds, flavor talk right now is a waste of time, so no big deal.

 

[Vult Redux]

I still think Zac is fantastic wagon and we should be lynching him. Any time now...

On another note: @Hilt

Now tell us, what did your writeup accomplish, Thinkaman?

How were you expecting him to respond??? What's the purpose of this?

 

[Swiss]

He didn't claim a power role, so I'm happy with lynching him. Had he claimed a power role I could have seen him fake claiming vanilla by necessity, and accidentally making a slip.

 

[Riddle]

Swiss lynch gives us more information

 

[#HBC | marshy]

sokay buddy

the vig can just kill him if zac flips town. he can feel free to take care of our scum1-12 problem too

AY VIG

I KNOW YOURE OUT THERE

kill swiss/x1-12 tonight if zacs town brah

unless youre a one-shot

i retract my dancer fos btw

 

[X1-12]

sokay buddy

the vig can just kill him if zac flips town. he can feel free to take care of our scum1-12 problem too

haha, I love posts like this with little-to-no content or backing for points made. You're good at them

unvo te

lol riddlers zac vote and asking "did i hammer?" is precisely why i unvoted zac earlier

this means nix joins aye?

well personally id like to hear nixs thoughts on the game. rajam should read the game. and vult comes back

i dont get it either

fos dancer

but zac skims everything. i think he mayve seen "vanilla townie" and literally not understand what that meant

this made me feel kinda guilty

All of these are quotes of the whole post made.

 

[X1-12]

EBWOP:

why are half your posts one-liners?

 

[Swiss]

Hold up. Why should I be killed if Zac flips town? At what point have we figured out one of us must be scum?

I don't mind too much, I do believe him to be scum, but wtf.

How about Vig kills whomever they find most scummy, and doc protects whomever the think shouldn't die. How's that for a bunch of bananas.




Riddle - what information would you gain from my flip? Explain both possible flips.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Sorry I wasn't active today, I was at a friends house all day without mentioning it.

Catching up now.

 

[Thinkaman]

I'm also don't like the implication that Swiss has to be scum if Zac isn't. That said, I still think they are the best targets right now--that hasn't changed.

 

[Thinkaman]

Double post: I'm still open to voting for Swiss before Zac. Riddle, explain why a Swiss kill would provide more information? Merely because Zac has claimed?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Just got home, gonna reread now I guess. Tired as hell, though.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

n another note: @Hilt
How were you expecting him to respond??? What's the purpose of this?

Because if he's to answer it, he has to ask himself this question in his head, and by some miracle of god he may realize that he's accomplishing nothing with it. Because people bombarding him with reasons of why it's pointless isn't getting through.