Tales of Symphonia Mafia | Game Over - Town Wins Yayuhzz

[Nix2100]

.....This is why I usually hate Day 1....because my thoughts aren't exactly in the mindset they should be for these games -_-.

Fine <_< you may have been the first one that posted the color of your role claim. Doesn't necessarily clear you just yet =P

And yea, the sleepover mafia we were in. You can't deny, the way Zac is acting is very similar to my play style in Day 1 over there, and considering you were the one telling me what to post more or less =P You can't blame me for noticing it.

You lost me on that 3rd sentence, what you mean?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

idve done zacs defense SOOOO much better tho...and no i dont blame you for pointing that out and actually think its a very protown move

i meant that anytime i vote for anyone you would vote that person too

 

[#HBC | marshy]

@mod its been 72+ hours since rajams last post. requesting prod

 

[Nix2100]

If I think your scum, why in the world would I vote every person you did? =P

 

[UTDZac]

As for Zac...well I am finding him a bit scummy, his initial reason for voting Swiss, then his attempts to say it was a joke is just...bad. Add in the fact that he has enough time to consider the after-effects of his death, but not enough time to scum-hunt until tomorrow just seems really fishy to me. His possible contradictions with his claim is interesting to say the least and I kind of want some clarification from him.

@Zac - You claim to be vanilla townie, yet you talk about your flavor abilities..... mind explaining that? =P

I understand me delaying my scumhunting until Day 2 is frustrating and totally not helpful for town, but I don't have a choice. Recently (the past week and a half) I've come down with insane lower back pain. It's nearly impossible for me to sit in a chair at a computer much less move around my apt. I went to the doctor and got medication, it makes me incredibly drowsy. I'm physically hindered right now in terms of using the computer for more than 30 min (not enough time to connect posts together and scumhunt). I should, hopefully, feel better by the time Day 2 starts in about a week.

Also, mafia is not an individual game, it's a teamwork game. Me trying to stay alive for as long as possible, whether it's because I think I'm the best player or some other reason, is not the goal. The goal is to help town win by whatever means necessary.

The only thing i saw Zac post in regards to that was in reference to not knowing if OTHER people's roles would affect his, yet he made a comment about HIS flavour ability, if he mentioned this exactly then point it out, Cause I still don't see it.

This is not true. I never said my character had flavor abilities (which it doesn't). I was concerned about how other character's flavor abilities might interact with my character. I don't know if they can interact with my character or not because I don't know much about flavor abilities.

Refer to this post for my posts regarding the matter: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=10869736#post10869736

 

[Nix2100]

Yea, i corrected myself later on, kept on seeing a extra "my" in your claim about flavor abilities that wasn't there.

I want to make another comment...but to be honest, no matter how I word it, I will come off as a bit of a jerk, so I think I'd rather not....but you know, for only being on the computer for 30mins at a time, your still able to post a decent amount. and again, you've had enough time to consider the results of what your lynch would or would not cause....still seems fishy despite your explanations....and how often do you get on? You say you can get on for 30mins at a time, whats the time difference between that?

 

[UTDZac]

I can consider the results of my death much easier than scum hunting other peoples posts cause I already know the content of my posts. I can think about them while NOT at the computer, where as scum hunting requires me to look through a lot of posts and take notes. It's much easier to talk about what's happening to me than what's happening with others.

 

[Nix2100]

Fair enough, and nice explanation. Missed my one question though. You said you can only be on the computer for roughly 30mins at a time, Whats the minimum time before you can get back on the computer after the 30mins?

 

[Riddle]

Fair enough, and nice explanation.

Lets all worship this master of pressuring.

 

[Nix2100]

Can you make any other comment besides wishy-washy? -_-

I understood his explanation, and i thought it was a nice one....whats so wishy-washy about that?

 

[Nix2100]

.....OI I saw that Edit!

 

[Riddle]

Original Post: The master of being wishy-washy strikes again!

please dont replace me gheb

 

[Nix2100]

Oh btw, since your here Riddle, there is on occasion acting scummy is a good thing. Take my last game, I was Roleblocker/Doctor, and to prevent mafia from NK'ing me, I acted scummy enough to where people were suspicious of me, but not enough to get myself lynched.....ended up lasting all game too =P

 

[#HBC | marshy]

If I think your scum, why in the world would I vote every person you did? =P

ill bus my buddies? lol but really is there anything in particular youd like to hear? id like to be made a doublevoter already

[collapse=current votecount]Where do you get off? Don’t even start spewing the word, “justice”! I hate that word!

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Swiss - 3: Chacotaco, Dr. Riddler, marshy
UTDZac - 6: Vult Redux, X1-12, Swiss, Thinkaman, Sworddancer, Nix2100
Blue Yoshi - 1: Hilt
Tandora - 1: Rajam

Not Voting: Tandora, UTDZac

Takes 7/13 to lynch![/collapse]

vote swiss

 

[Nix2100]

Is there anything I'd like to hear? Sure! Id like to hear all the scum and their roles =P that be amazing....but honestly, aside from the bizarre similarity between Zac's defense and mine from another mafia game, I got nothing for you yet Marshy.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Hold up. Why should I be killed if Zac flips town? At what point have we figured out one of us must be scum?

cuz like half the player list is comfortable with your lynch. theres 3 people voting you and a few others who arent solely cuz theyre going for zac first but they still dislike you (thinkaman/dancer/tanny/zac. i have a feeling hilt would come to your lynch if asked). why the hell would vig NOT do his job and rid us of you when youd probably just get lynched tomorrow if zac flips town?

also nix hows this for meta? i cleared myself in this game too

lol just saw that i was directing the vig there too. moroniks a marshy/ronike hydra btw

 

[Nix2100]

Pfft, that Was not you posting though, that was all Ronike =P

 

[Rajam]

well personally id like to hear nixs thoughts on the game. rajam should read the game. and vult comes back

I think Zac is making contradictions but idk... as I said earlier, most likely he is town doing rookie mistakes

At first I wasn't much worried about Swiss, I don't care if people throw jokes around with things like "I'll send my scumbuddies to NKill you!", but he has done the same several times so I'm wondering if those are just jokes... seems like WIFOM to me, so Swiss if that's not your intention, please stop it. If you are town you'll just get lynched for stupid jokes and stuff like that

X1-12: I think he has put too much pressure on Zac; I'm not saying that's necessarily bad but it could be interpreted as tunneling... any other picks?

Hilt and Thinkaman: Nice job on catching Zac's possible scumslips. I'm liking Hilt's play. Thinkaman, when did I request a flavor resume??? I only said I wasn't opposing it as long as it didn't distract us from scum-hunting, you made it look like I wanted to fall into flavor talk...

Sworddancer.: Though your points against Blue Yoshi were valid, I feel like you pushed too much there, like trying to build a case against them... anyways your points against Blue Yoshi are good points, but you could analyze more people posts like that.

Vult/Riddle/Chacotaco/Tandora/marshy/Blue Yoshi replacement: Need to check more on them. Specially Vult, I don't remember his contributions. Riddle and Chacotaco are playing fine but that doesn't mean anything really...

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I don't have clear scummy candidates... maybe Swiss but nothing strong really... as I said, your attitude only confuses more than help, at first I didn't want to pay much attention to all those scum jokes, but now that the game has advanced you should stop that nonsense.

 

[Swiss]

Ok. Look if it means this much to you all..

Serious Swiss commencing.

 

[Swiss]

cuz like half the player list is comfortable with your lynch. theres 3 people voting you and a few others who arent solely cuz theyre going for zac first but they still dislike you (thinkaman/dancer/tanny/zac. i have a feeling hilt would come to your lynch if asked). why the hell would vig NOT do his job and rid us of you when youd probably just get lynched tomorrow if zac flips town?

I'm fine with Vig killing me 'cuz I look scummy and give more info on my death - but am not 'cuz I must be scum if Zac flips town.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

When one world weakens, the mana from that world flows to the other. As a result, one world is always flourishing, and the other waning. Sort of like an hourglass.

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Swiss - 3: Chacotaco, Dr. Riddler, Marshy
UTDZac - 6: Vult Redux, X1-12, Swiss, Thinkaman, Sworddancer, Nix2100
Blue Yoshi - 1: Hilt
Tandora - 1: Rajam

Not Voting: Tandora, UTDZac

Takes 7 / 13 to lynch!

 

[Rajam]

Hold up here.

WHERE DID I DO THIS? Nowhere.

Also if you look at my meta (more meta :/) I almost ALWAYS play out loud during D1 RVS.

I don't mind people finding me scummy 'cuz I mad overreact, even though it is in my mature, but this is BS.

I'd fos you if it wuldn't look like me holding dancer's hand.

uh I have lost the count of this "meta" thing. You have been trying to focus on meta all this day, and I've read several times focusing on meta is of little to no help. I don't know why is that, I'm not really experienced in mafia games, but I think we should avoid the meta discussion. If you act scummy, you'll receive pressure, as simple as that. People should not be justified by their meta playstyle.

 

[X1-12]

X1-12: I think he has put too much pressure on Zac; I'm not saying that's necessarily bad but it could be interpreted as tunneling... any other picks?

If not Zac I'd probably settle for lynching you since I haven't seen you do much scumhunting at all or an even more inactive, (read: Tandora/Vult) but There's no-one currently who compares with Zac's scum level.

 

[X1-12]

EBWOP: Not sure that made sense, basically if not Zac, then You, because you aren't scum hunting, but I may rather lynch a real bad inactive

 

[Vult Redux]

Someone ask me a question

 

[#HBC | marshy]

down with swiss getting shot if zac flips town?

whats your opinion of x1-12? hilt?

how was your day today?

 

[Thinkaman]

Is there a way to search for posts of just one user in a thread? Just a list of posts by a given person?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

search this thread --> advanced search --> search by user name

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I think lynching Swiss and shooting Zac if swiss turns up town would be a better option, since we'd get more info from Swiss' wagon. Swiss had a long session of people flip flopping on and off of it, people pseudo-defending swiss, players that pushed hard on it with others just jumping on for the ride. It'll give us more information with him as the lynch, rather than him shot, although both will still give us info regardless.

Vote: Swiss

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Hilt: Either way Swiss ends up flipped. I don't see how flipping him via lynch is anymore information barring than flipping him via vig.

@Rajam: What points against BY that I made are you talking about? Is it that L_1 thing? That was pretty minor, and I don't think I pushed it that hard. . .

@Zac: Way to ignore what I said and address what Nix said after me, ye jerk.

@Vult: You wanted to be asked a question, so I will. Why aren't you actively scum hunting more? I know earlier you said that you had computer problems, but that seems to be fine now.

@Nix: I'm glad you asked. I was throwing a little experiment. I wanted to see how quickly Zac would respond, on average, to being under pressure. This was considering that he was a farily inactive player back then. I needed to know the time zone he was in so to see if he responded at inconvenient times. For example, if it was, say, 3am in the mourning for him and he would to be put at L_1 and responded to it within 10 minutes, then I would find that fishy. At least, more so then if this affair happened at 9pm for him. I'll have to go back, but I think I first voted for Zac fairly late, and he responded to it fairly quickly, (although it was ealier for him by about an hour).

 

[#HBC | marshy]

there isnt a confirmed vig. thats just me directing him in case hes around

 

[DtJ Hilt]

@Sword: It'll give us better information on who jumps on his wagon and who pushes for his lynch. It gives an opportunity to gain more information than what we would gain right now, as well. I don't understand how you don't get it. It's not the flip that's important, it's the process that led to the flip.

 

[Vult Redux]

[Generic buddying and agreeable post]

Actually I'm blatantly defending you and calling Riddle's point bad. Just in a more sarcastic/comical way.

Teehee.

down with swiss getting shot if zac flips town?

whats your opinion of x1-12? hilt?

how was your day today?

No. But I WOULD be down with shooting Chaco if Zac were to flip Town.

He's under my radar. I find his post 354 really scummy though and I'd put him on my scumlist just for it. Hilt is neutral.

Pretty bad.

 

[Vult Redux]

@Vult: You wanted to be asked a question, so I will. Why aren't you actively scum hunting more? I know earlier you said that you had computer problems, but that seems to be fine now.

Because I've mentally registered Zac as scum and want him lynched asap.

I also think Chaco is scummy. BUT I don't want to derail the precious Zac wagon that is already being derailed enough because of the bad Swiss wagon that people are jumping on. I can concern myself with him another time. Zac can go first.

My lappy problems are ongoing and have been since I signed for this game. Everything will be fine when I get home on the 7th though.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i thought that post was mad grimy too

zacs -1

should i pull the trigger?

 

[Vult Redux]

cuz like half the player list is comfortable with your lynch. theres 3 people voting you and a few others who arent solely cuz theyre going for zac first but they still dislike you (thinkaman/dancer/tanny/zac. i have a feeling hilt would come to your lynch if asked). why the hell would vig NOT do his job and rid us of you when youd probably just get lynched tomorrow if zac flips town?

I think it's pretty interesting.

Normally I would advocate this kind of philosophy. Like the kind of dilemma...

You are Town. Consensus is convinced you're scum [say, you're a Miller and a Cop investigated you guilty]. You're at L-1 at approaching deadline but you're not sure if anyone is online to hammer you. You can self-hammer, or you can wait out the deadline and go to No Lynch. The latter SEEMS like the better choice, but you have to take into account what the Town will do tomorrow... If they'll lynch you tomorrow anyway then you're essentially giving them a free nkill and blah blah blah etc.

Point being, I myself would strongly consider the self-hammer.

Thing here is, reasons for suspecting Swiss are pretty lame in the first place ["overly defensive", "information"; let's be serious here folks, how about we try scumhunting?] and I think if the everyone tried hard enough they could realize the offense against him is no good.


Also: Contrary to my above post where I said it'd be cool if Chaco were nkilled, I don't support directing the Vigilante. Leaves room for scum to plan according to his kill, identify Vidge even if there is one, scum Doctor/Redirector, etc etc.

 

[UTDZac]

@Thinkaman: There's another way to do it if you don't want to type in someone's name. Go back to the forum the thread rests in, click on the number of Replies. It should pop-up a window with each person's name and how many replies they've made in this thread. Click on the number of replies for that person to see only their replies in that thread.

@Sworddancer: What did you say? Sorry if I'm unable to keep up with everything, you could have just asked again in that post instead of pointing out I missed what you said.

@marshy: No. Outside of me saying what my strategy coming into this game was, me willing to answer any and all questions that are directed to me, and me claiming my role... what else do you want from me? I've already said I'd play a more active role Day 2, because I havent been able to Day 1 with my medical condition (and asking questions about that is not part of this game). If I don't get lynched Day 1 and you guys wait til Day 2 to see if I scumhunt or not, you can then decide if I'm not a worthy townsman. If I don't meet your standards for scumhunting, kill me off Day 2. Me living an extra day doesn't benefit scum if I'm going to get killed anyway right?

 

[Vult Redux]

You didn't post a character claim, did you, Zac?

I'm no expect on theme games but I can't think of a reason why you shouldn't...

 

[Tandora]

Point being, I myself would strongly consider the self-hammer.

Did you seriously just suggest self hammering? Your logic of a free NK makes no sense. An innocent pushing their own lynch is antitown play b/c it takes away a suspect from the list and it ends the day sooner.

A good townie keeps playing and never stops scum hunting.

FOS Vult

 

[UTDZac]

Just cause, character name: Regal Bryant