Tales of Symphonia Mafia | Game Over - Town Wins Yayuhzz

[Thinkaman]

If Regal is a non fake-claim, he would almost certainly be a vanilla townie.

 

[Chaco]

Uh, Vult, how is there ANY logic behind shooting me if Zac shoots town? I don't see any direct reasoning there and post 354 was X1-12.

Sorry was gone all day yesterday doing stuff for school, I'll post more later once I've woken up more.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The Book of Regeneration is a record of Spiritua’s journey. It is the only document containing detailed records of the world regeneration, and it is a precious heirloom passed down through the generations of Governor-Generals of Palmacosta.

---​

Swiss - 4: Chacotaco, Dr. Riddler, Marshy, Hilt
UTDZac - 6: Vult Redux, X1-12, Swiss, Thinkaman, Sworddancer, Nix2100
Tandora - 1: Rajam

Not Voting: Tandora, UTDZac

Takes 7 / 13 to lynch!

 

[X1-12]

i thought that post was mad grimy too

zacs -1

should i pull the trigger?

2 days till deadline?



@Vult: my #354, I think you probs mean 353, was just me annoyed at marsh for being on my case for no reason, or atleast reasons that aren't stated. its something he's doing alot, since he 'cleared' himself he's playing real complacent imo

 

[Chaco]

Actually I'm blatantly defending you and calling Riddle's point bad. Just in a more sarcastic/comical way.

Teehee.

No. But I WOULD be down with shooting Chaco if Zac were to flip Town.

He's under my radar. I find his post 354 really scummy though and I'd put him on my scumlist just for it. Hilt is neutral.

Pretty bad.

Oh okay, I get ya now, you just didn't separate this post out well enough and the flow goes together so it seems like you're saying you think I'm scummy based off of my 354, when in fact it is X1. That's my bad.

Anyways, point out why Im scummy and I'll answer to it. I don't think you've even mentioned me until now which is odd. I'll reread you though.

 

[Chaco]

Confirmed you've only mentioned me once this game, and that was in regards to Riddle.

 

[Swiss]

Raj, why are you voting Tandora?

 

[Vult Redux]

Did you seriously just suggest self hammering? Your logic of a free NK makes no sense. An innocent pushing their own lynch is antitown play b/c it takes away a suspect from the list and it ends the day sooner.

A good townie keeps playing and never stops scum hunting.

FOS Vult

I guess you didn't understand my post.

 

[Vult Redux]

@Tandora

Wait did you genuinely not realize that it was hypothetical? Or think that it's a scummy thing to say despite it being hypothetical?

Did you read all of the post???

 

[#HBC | marshy]

am i a doublevoter yet?

what time is deadline thursday?

 

[Tandora]

Wait did you genuinely not realize that it was hypothetical? Or think that it's a scummy thing to say despite it being hypothetical?

Did you read all of the post???

I don't think you should even hypothetically propose for someone to selfhammer. I could imagine too many players taking that as a license to DO such a thing. I cannot emphasize how much I rage when players self hammer. 90% of the time it is a vanilla townie. Every time someone self hammers, I react with "Noooo, that probably means they're town!" but by the time they self hammer, it is too late, they're dead.

I admit my overly strong hate of self hammer is a bit meta, but I also consider current in game consequences of losing Day time and losing another informative vote to analyze.

Your hypothetical set up is not any better than out right suggesting something. By making it hypothetical, you can fall back on saying "Oh, it was only a possible scenario, I didn't actually mean for him to do it." If that is the case, why even suggest it to begin with?

 

[Vult Redux]

That is kind of a stretch but okay.

I disagree.

 

[X1-12]

Tandora: I'm sure you said you were okay with either Swiss or Zac lynch but you are voting Swiss.

Do you think a Swiss lynch is going to occur before the deadline?

Would you hammer if Zac remains at L-1 and the deadline was even closer than it is now?

A good townie keeps playing and never stops scum hunting.

FOS Vult

What scumhunting have YOU done?

Why mention this and FoS vult but not other players who are not scumhunting even more than he?

 

[Nix2100]

*raises hand as one of the people who hasn't done any scum hunting really*

Just to put my opinion in there....I kind of get what Vult was saying and I do agree with it to some extent, but I also agree with Tandora that it wasn't really needed......

 

[Vult Redux]

It's only for specific situations.

It's also discussion for Mafia in general and it's not something to get into in-depth here.

 

[Nix2100]

If you don't want something discussed in game, then you probably shouldn't bring it up in game, don't you think?

To the topic on-hand though...the more time goes on I can't help but wonder what scum is planning....they have 2 lynch potentials...Swiss and Zac, with Zac essentially being at L-1 for the past couple days without someone hammering (I won't lie either...I find that slightly weird that scum would not of done that by now) and then Swiss who also has a decent bandwagon going on...and yet I don't see anyone actively trying to convince either side to change their votes really....I am honestly starting to believe that neither Swiss or Zac are scum, and that scum is just sitting back knowing it doesn't matter WHO gets lynched...

hmm....we got what 24 hours atleast right?

unvote

 

[Tandora]

Tandora: I'm sure you said you were okay with either Swiss or Zac lynch but you are voting Swiss.

Do you think a Swiss lynch is going to occur before the deadline?

Would you hammer if Zac remains at L-1 and the deadline was even closer than it is now?

I didn't think it was, but since Nix unvoted on Zac, I don't know. I think the main reason people left Swiss lynch was to help extend the day.

Yes.

What scumhunting have YOU done?

Why mention this and FoS vult but not other players who are not scumhunting even more than he?

Are you serious? I've been doing ISO of the two players I'm most suspicous of and been giving example after example of why I think they're scum.

Also, if you read my post, my point was to not give up but to give your best until you are forced out of the game. My problem was with Vult's theoretical selfhammer suggestion and my counter argument was it was better to not do that and to scumhunt instead.

So, in short, I FOS b/c I felt he was giving anti-town advice.

@Nix, I'm not sure your logic follows. Do you think Swiss and/or Zac are town? Because the only way scum would quickly hammer is if the lynch is town or cannot hammer quickly because they are already on the wagon.

I am leaving for vacation tomorrow. Not sure if I'll be able to post before the day ends.

I've been meaning to vote, but got so caught up on trying to make points, I kept forgetting.
VOTE SWISS

 

[Thinkaman]

I am strongly considering switching back to Swiss, just because he has been focused longer and there is more material on him to work him. (Provoking discussion on reveal.) Even after Zac came into the picture discussion on Swiss was maintained--I think everyone has discussed him at some length.

I still feel comfortable with either though, to be honest. (At least for a Day 1 lynch.)

 

[X1-12]

Are you serious? I've been doing ISO of the two players I'm most suspicous of and been giving example after example of why I think they're scum.

I asked what scumhunting you have been doing, writing summaries of what everyone else has said doesn't really count. Especially since your ISO actually STOPPED someone from voting for Swiss. Swiss also promptly ripped your 'case' to pieces a few posts later.

Also, if you read my post, my point was to not give up but to give your best until you are forced out of the game. My problem was with Vult's theoretical selfhammer suggestion and my counter argument was it was better to not do that and to scumhunt instead.

Surely what he is doing is better than people who are not theorising OR scumhunting? ergo, why did you not pick out others for this?

 

[Nix2100]

@Tandora - I'll try explaining my logic a bit more. If there was going to be a hammer by scum, it would of happened already, and this would somewhat suggest that Zac is scum...but if he is, I have't seen any attempts really to save him, or to move votes onto Swiss. The same also applies to Swiss, even though his bandwagon has a couple votes left. It just doesnt seem like either of these players are scum and they just honestly made a few mistakes as townies...I think i covered what my logic was...I just woke up so I may have missed something.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I suppose only magic users and scholars worry about it. But mana is even more important to life than water. Without it, the land will die. Mana is the source material which composers everything. At least that’s what I’ve been taught.

---​

Swiss - 5: Chacotaco, Dr. Riddler, Marshy, Hilt, Tandora
UTDZac - 5: Vult Redux, X1-12, Swiss, Thinkaman, Sworddancer
Tandora - 1: Rajam

Not Voting: UTDZac, Nix2100

Takes 7 / 13 to lynch!

 

[Swiss]

Zac, could you make another post soon, bearing in mind the deadline is approaching.

 

[X1-12]

@Zac: What have you done Today that has benefitted town?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

@Nix, so you think they're both town because other people aren't defending them? You've heard of bussing, correct?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay, so I just went back to look at how Zac has reacted to heavy pressure and how active he has been overal.

Okay so Zac hasen't been as inactive as I oringally thought. There is a 2 day abbsence made between his sixth post and his seventh post, but he had a reason with being at the doctors. As for suspicious activity spikes under heavy fire. . . there isn't any really. I put him at L_2 at 11:01 EST, he responded at 10:11 CST, just 10 minutes latter. However, when he was later put at L_1 on 7/30 at 4:42pm he didn't respond until 8:09pm, about 4 hours later. Admititally though I did take him off of L_1 at 5:16pm the same day, but I still flet like he would of responded more to the pressure if he was really keeping up with the thread more so than his activity suggessts. I did put him back on L_1 at 7:25pm, before Zac responded, but Marshy took him off again 7 minutes later. So my experiment concludes. . . that there isn't really anything too suspicious about his activity.

But I don't care, if I found something from that it would of just been the final nail in the coffin for me.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

If you don't want something discussed in game, then you probably shouldn't bring it up in game, don't you think?

To the topic on-hand though...the more time goes on I can't help but wonder what scum is planning....they have 2 lynch potentials...Swiss and Zac, with Zac essentially being at L-1 for the past couple days without someone hammering (I won't lie either...I find that slightly weird that scum would not of done that by now) and then Swiss who also has a decent bandwagon going on...and yet I don't see anyone actively trying to convince either side to change their votes really....I am honestly starting to believe that neither Swiss or Zac are scum, and that scum is just sitting back knowing it doesn't matter WHO gets lynched...

hmm....we got what 24 hours atleast right?

unvote

Nix, this post doesn't make a lot of sense. It's true that people on both wagons haven't been pushing for other people to join as much as they should, but that doesn't mean at all that it's scum. Assuming a 3 man scum team (just going off of what I feel is the most likey secerino) then that means that, even IF scum all scum is on all the wagons, that leaves. . . about 7 townies left. It's a lot more likely it's just bad town play.

Also, you find it suspicious that scum didn't hammer Zac, despite the fact that he has been on L_1 for a couple days? You do know that that could also mean that he's scum, and his scum buddies don't want him dead, or, even if he's town, that scum wouldn't want to appear suspicious by prematurely hammering him.

@Zac: My accustions made towards you earlier were pretty much the samething you responded to with Nix (the fact that it's fishy that you promise to do more scum hunting if you survive an extra Day), so don't bother resonding to it again.

 

[Nix2100]

Yea, I get what most of you are saying but if Zac was scum, wouldn't at least one of his buddies be attempting to put more votes on Swiss instead? That way it doesn't seem like defending Zac just in case, but just another players belief in that Swiss is scum? Yet I don't see it, I see nothing, there's no more defending, no more persuasions of any sort, it literally feels like scum isn't doing anything at all but sitting back and watching town make some bad play like you said Sword.

 

[Nix2100]

Course...there's also the possibility that BOTH are scum...but really....what are the chances of town being THAT lucky?

 

[X1-12]

Course...there's also the possibility that BOTH are scum...but really....what are the chances of town being THAT lucky?

I can only suggest that we lynch one of them, I suspect Zac will try and stall out

 

[X1-12]

I only just noticed this

I've been busy lately. Been on meds the doctor subscribed, makes me insanely sleepy.

but only 5 minutes after joining another game in the sign-ups thread

/in Sonic

Thanks Xiivi.

why join another game if you know you won't be able to participate properly?

 

[X1-12]

you also came online today to post in sonic mafia, but you didn't post here, despite the fact I asked you a question a couple of hours previously, there is no way you couldn't haven seen it unless you just refused to check this thread

 

[UTDZac]

Zac, could you make another post soon, bearing in mind the deadline is approaching.

Done. Question for you: If they choose to lynch me, what are you goals for Day 2 (assuming you don't get NKed)?

@Zac: What have you done Today that has benefitted town?

Not much scumhunting at all. I've drawn a lot of attention to myself Today, which should give town plenty of posts to review and help find a few scum guys. Sorry I can't be more helpful by analyzing other's posts as much as I'd like. =(

Also, you find it suspicious that scum didn't hammer Zac, despite the fact that he has been on L_1 for a couple days? You do know that that could also mean that he's scum, and his scum buddies don't want him dead, or, even if he's town, that scum wouldn't want to appear suspicious by prematurely hammering him.

@Zac: My accustions made towards you earlier were pretty much the samething you responded to with Nix (the fact that it's fishy that you promise to do more scum hunting if you survive an extra Day), so don't bother resonding to it again.

If I were town, why would scum hammer me as soon as they could? Wouldn't that put a lot of suspicion on that player that he/she was scum? If I were scum, then another scum could hammer me (knowing i was a buddy) just to get me to flip scum and reduce suspicion on him/her. Either way, I don't think it's ever a good idea to hammer without the final word from the rest of town giving the OK.

And what's this about me not being allowed to respond to your accusations? You said that I wasn't as inactive as you originally thought and my activity wasn't suspicious to you... but then you said "I don't care." You don't care about any of the positive information you found about me? Were you merely looking for the "nail in the coffin" and disregarded anything that wasn't that? I really haven't liked your play against me most of Today.

Yea, I get what most of you are saying but if Zac was scum, wouldn't at least one of his buddies be attempting to put more votes on Swiss instead? That way it doesn't seem like defending Zac just in case, but just another players belief in that Swiss is scum? Yet I don't see it, I see nothing, there's no more defending, no more persuasions of any sort, it literally feels like scum isn't doing anything at all but sitting back and watching town make some bad play like you said Sword.

But both me and swiss have 5 votes each? You and me are the only ones not voting atm... I'm confused.

you also came online today to post in sonic mafia, but you didn't post here, despite the fact I asked you a question a couple of hours previously, there is no way you couldn't haven seen it unless you just refused to check this thread

Just noticed this response as I refreshed before posting.

Wow you are really quick to jump on me. Does the rest of town think it's a bit much for X to stalk me like that? I mean seriously, how can you expect me to respond to all the questions I get between visits in such a short amount of time. It just so happened I visited and posted in the sonic mafia first before coming to this one.

At any rate, I joined the Sonic game because 1) Xiivi invited me to it 2) My back is feeling much better and as a result 3) I'm able to spend more time on the computer now (mostly doing work stuff).

X, you've been applying a ridiculous amount of pressure to me, as well as doing quite a bit of investigative work yourself. Why are you so determined that I'm scum? What's your main reasoning?

 

[UTDZac]

For what it's worth:

Sonic Mafia post: 10:55 AM CST
ToS Mafia post: 11:32 AM CST

 

[Vult Redux]

Anyways, point out why Im scummy and I'll answer to it. I don't think you've even mentioned me until now which is odd.

Why is that "odd"?

Does odd = scummy?

 

[Nix2100]

@Zac - Don't be surprised if people start watching where you post and at what times...it happens....it happens a lot. And your right, we are the only people NOT voting, so why aren't you voting?

And yea..I guess I am having a hard time explaining my logic, it happens sometimes, but the final excuse is that I really don't feel that either Swiss or Zac are scum....

Curious though...where are Hilt and Thinkaman? Their posts seem to have dropped off a bit lately...

 

[X1-12]

Not much scumhunting at all. I've drawn a lot of attention to myself Today, which should give town plenty of posts to review and help find a few scum guys. Sorry I can't be more helpful by analyzing other's posts as much as I'd like. =(

This is one of the reasons I am determined you are scum, you have made 25 posts but no scumhunting at all, which even you admit

Wow you are really quick to jump on me. Does the rest of town think it's a bit much for X to stalk me like that? I mean seriously, how can you expect me to respond to all the questions I get between visits in such a short amount of time. It just so happened I visited and posted in the sonic mafia first before coming to this one.

Firstly I would expect you to post in here first since you are at L-2 AND the deadline is tomorrow. Also its not 'stalking' its generally called meta-data which is a useful tactic (read up on OverSwarm in MxC mafia towards end of D1). Reading someone's posts on the internet is not stalking, infact calling it so looks like an appeal to emotion (AtE)

X, you've been applying a ridiculous amount of pressure to me, as well as doing quite a bit of investigative work yourself. Why are you so determined that I'm scum? What's your main reasoning?

you have posted lots without gaining much, which suggests you are trying to look like you are beneficial to town when you are not (common scum tactic)

you now admit you have been of very little help to town

you contradticted yourself/lied on several occasions

you have been dodging questions


The amount of pressure I have put on you is not ridiculous, considering you dissonance, lies and above all bad play its appropriate you should be under such scrutiny

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

And what's this about me not being allowed to respond to your accusations? You said that I wasn't as inactive as you originally thought and my activity wasn't suspicious to you... but then you said "I don't care." You don't care about any of the positive information you found about me? Were you merely looking for the "nail in the coffin" and disregarded anything that wasn't that? I really haven't liked your play against me most of Today.

I'm going swimming now, I'll explain further later.

 

[Swiss]

Done. Question for you: If they choose to lynch me, what are you goals for Day 2 (assuming you don't get NKed)?

Not a clue - scumhunting depending on the flip.




Guys - Zac hasn't voted me, despite having AMPLE opportunity. I don't like this. At all. He really, really should have voted me, trying to swap the lynch from him to me...

I know it's WIFOM. And I do NOT take back my cases from before, but WTF scum tactic is this.

 

[Swiss]

Having said this - I'd only take a Chaco lynch over him. (Someone else touched upon this subject).

 

[X1-12]

Rajam: where you at? why voting Tandora? do you realisticly think that lynch will happen toDay (deadline = tomorrow) Whose lynch would you settle for?

Marshy: Tandora has already said she would hammer Zac in order to avoid a no lynch, would you?


@Mod: When on 5th August is the deadline?