TAKE THAT! Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney smashes the prosecution!

[smash puffle]

Honestly Nick is a perfect way to end the Fighters Pass. The whole putting Joker on trial thing fits so amazingly well.

 

[Caladuz]

Doesn't it end up with Sakurai picking the characters though. At least that's what we were told what was going on. I mean if that's the case then it's just up to Sakurai on who to pick.

You're right and it's impossible to say without knowing the internal process of getting a character. But isn't it possible that they started pushing out ports after being reached out to by sakurai for post-pass dante?

 

[Hinata]

Nintendo Retail Ambassador here! The job of a Nintendo Ambassador essentially entails travelling to various stores, locations and other accounts to help promote Nintendo products by making sure everything is where it should be, helping people with hands on demonstrations etc etc. Basically dealing with Nintendo stuff on the front lines of the retail world

Sounds like Nintendo Ambassadors are pretty low on the pecking order. They're just the PR people at Nintendo events who make sure everything's shipshape, and tell you to buy the game the event is about.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Sounds like Nintendo Ambassadors are pretty low on the pecking order. They're just the PR people at Nintendo events who make sure everything's shipshape, and tell you to buy the game the event is about.

And from my understanding from everything we have been hearing. Nintendo is keeping this character under lock and key. So I am thinking it can still be all of the deconfirmed characters honestly.

 

[Caladuz]

Sounds like Nintendo Ambassadors are pretty low on the pecking order. They're just the PR people at Nintendo events who make sure everything's shipshape, and tell you to buy the game the event is about.

Huh thats interesting never would of guessed with that job title.

 

[Arctiq]

Sounds like Nintendo Ambassadors are pretty low on the pecking order. They're just the PR people at Nintendo events who make sure everything's shipshape, and tell you to buy the game the event is about.

That's weird that an ambassador would know exactly who FP5 is. I'm remaining skeptical about Naz's info.

 

[TemporalShrew]

The fact that neither of our main leakers have definitively commented on Phoenix, despite him being very prevalent in speculation right now, is weird, but I dunno if it's weird enough for me to count it as a sign.

They can both be irritatingly slow to respond to these kinds of things, so I'd say give them a couple of days, and if they're both still silent, then be a biiiit suspicious.

 

[Korar]

The way i think is this.

If Phoenix is FP5, that means surely Dante was passed up in favor of Phoenix, but if he's not, we're back to square one pretty much, but if i ever felt Dante could have been passed up once in favour of Phoenix, i could see it happening again post-pass.

I don't know if that makes any sense, or if it came across just really weird, but i wanted to express why i'm optimistic for Phoenix even if he isn't FP5.

I am pretty tired, so i think i might go get some sleep, so goodnight y'all! remember, no crying until it's over and all that jazz.

 

[Krankees]

I guess this is a reminder that we should be careful and be mentally prepared for the worst.

 

[MissingGlitch]

I guess this is a reminder that we should be careful and be mentally prepared for the worst.

Have you seen my wishlist. Thats my motto.

 

[Krankees]

Have you seen my wishlist. Thats my motto.

No I haven't sorry.

 

[MissingGlitch]

No I haven't sorry.

My signature didn't load **** lol. But here

Miku is more of a joke pick but, you get the idea. My list has been proven pretty impossible for awhile now :v

Speaking of which. I think I want to redo this entire signature thing. I don't like how it looks.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

They can both be irritatingly slow to respond to these kinds of things, so I'd say give them a couple of days, and if they're both still silent, then be a biiiit suspicious.

Doesn't Vergeben usually wait until the last minute to leak something (like how when the SNK leak happened, he said it was Terry only a few days before Terry was revealed)? If he's gonna weigh in on this, it's entirely possible we're not gonna hear from him until a few days before the Game Awards.

 

[Krankees]

You're right and it's impossible to say without knowing the internal process of getting a character. But isn't it possible that they started pushing out ports after being reached out to by sakurai for post-pass dante?

Yeah it's possible, and that's scaring me.

 

[Jomosensual]

Just got caught up with the recent Capcom stuff. Seems like most are thinking he's just speculating. Obviously we dont know for sure unless he says so himself, but that's how I'm taking it for now. If the leakers come out and start saying no Capcom either then I might end up on team the leakers are wrong just due to the sheer number of characters being shot down.

They can both be irritatingly slow to respond to these kinds of things, so I'd say give them a couple of days, and if they're both still silent, then be a biiiit suspicious.

Sometimes yeah, but lately they've both been pretty active cutting things down. Dante was shot down in about 12 hours, Lloyd was about a day and a half to 2 days, Scorpion didn't take long either. The Phoenix leak was a full leak ago and that got shot down within the day, but nobody commenting on the character for a week feels off. If nothing is out about him by the time we're almost at the VGA then something is up, but I think it's fine to start asking questions about it right now since this is one of the longer waits we've had on it

Honestly Nick is a perfect way to end the Fighters Pass. The whole putting Joker on trial thing fits so amazingly well.

The one issue I have with this theory is that unless it happens later(I've only played the first 3 AA games, 4th will come once my next check clears) it's that Phoenix is a defense attorney, so Phoenix putting Joker on trial makes no sense. I suppose there's ways around it, like maybe Phoenix is defending Joker and at the end of the trial after getting a not guilty verdict Joker give Phoenix one more invite he found, but that seems like a long trailer.

 

[Arctiq]

The one issue I have with this theory is that unless it happens later(I've only played the first 3 AA games, 4th will come once my next check clears) it's that Phoenix is a defense attorney, so Phoenix putting Joker on trial makes no sense. I suppose there's ways around it, like maybe Phoenix is defending Joker and at the end of the trial after getting a not guilty verdict Joker give Phoenix one more invite he found, but that seems like a long trailer.

I mean, Phoenix could sue Joker, which would make Phoenix defend himself.

Spoiler

He has joked about suing others in his games

 

[Krankees]

I guess the cruel anticipation just got a little more cruel.

 

[MissingGlitch]

The one issue I have with this theory is that unless it happens later(I've only played the first 3 AA games, 4th will come once my next check clears) it's that Phoenix is a defense attorney, so Phoenix putting Joker on trial makes no sense. I suppose there's ways around it, like maybe Phoenix is defending Joker and at the end of the trial after getting a not guilty verdict Joker give Phoenix one more invite he found, but that seems like a long trailer.

Miles Edgeworth echo fighter confirmed.

 

[Hinata]

Sabi still doesn't take a side on this debate, but re-states that they have not personally heard from their source that FP5 isn't Capcom.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

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Sabi still doesn't take a side on this debate, but re-states that they have not personally heard from their source that FP5 isn't Capcom.

That's one down, seemingly in Wright and Capcom's favor. Now all we need is Vergeben's piece...

 

[Krankees]

That's one down, seemingly in Wright and Capcom's favor. Now all we need is Vergeben's piece...

That one might take a while longer.

 

[Jomosensual]

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Sabi still doesn't take a side on this debate, but re-states that they have not personally heard from their source that FP5 isn't Capcom.

That feels pretty good. Obviously Sabi cant say "Yup, Its a Capcom rep guys!" for multiple reasons but that's twice where Phoenix could have been killed now and hasn't been. Maybe Verge has something, but for now I remain optimistic

Also, due to a new job it's very likely I won't be able to watch the VGAs now. Man that would be a day if Phoenix gets revealed but I have to wait all day to celebrate or see the trailer

 

[Krankees]

That feels pretty good. Obviously Sabi cant say "Yup, Its a Capcom rep guys!" for multiple reasons but that's twice where Phoenix could have been killed now and hasn't been. Maybe Verge has something, but for now I remain optimistic

Also, due to a new job it's very likely I won't be able to watch the VGAs now. Man that would be a day if Phoenix gets revealed but I have to wait all day to celebrate or see the trailer

First it was the weirdly worded tweet about the French journalist leak, then it was retweeting PushDustin's tweet, and now it's a vague comment about the whole Capcom situation. Something's up.

 

[Arctiq]

First it was the weirdly worded tweet about the French journalist leak, then it was retweeting PushDustin's tweet, and now it's a vague comment about the whole Capcom situation. Something's up.

Part of me wants to feel like Sabi knows who it is and can't they just can't say it. Hence all these weird statements.

 

[XorahnGaia]

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Sabi still doesn't take a side on this debate, but re-states that they have not personally heard from their source that FP5 isn't Capcom.

Mmmh...I don't want to bring down any hope, but i feel like they would say the same thing about Namco if you asked. I mean, I guess Sabi probably trust Vergeben more than Nazyrus when it comes to this stuff...but even then they're not stranger to not picking a side until the very end. I remember that up until E3 they still believed there was some merit to Xenother(the guy that said "Steve is in, accept it" and "Banjo is probably out) even if her NoA Source was saying otherwise.

Ideally, i would not lose hope until Vergeben deconfirms Phoenix. He may be a piggybacker, but atleast he doesn't talk unless he's 100% sure about his information.

 

[Krankees]

So how long has it been since Verge's last major post?

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Ideally, i would not lose hope until Vergeben deconfirms Phoenix. He may be a piggybacker, but atleast he doesn't talk unless he's 100% sure about his information.

To be honest, while I'm hopeful that Vergeben ends up speaking his piece in Wright's favor... that still wouldn't guarantee anything. I know he's at least somewhat credible in regards to Smash, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of Verge going "Fighter 5 is definitely Phoenix Wright" and then we find out he was wrong at the Game Awards.

So how long has it been since Verge's last major post?

I think his last post might've been either this past Sunday or earlier last week, when he deconfirmed both Bandai Namco and Level 5.

 

[fogbadge]

hang on ive lost track, has nick been deconfirmed or not?

 

[Krankees]

hang on ive lost track, has nick been deconfirmed or not?

We're not sure either and that's why we're waiting for Verge's comment but so far it's looking kind of hopeful. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Hoo boy. Roller coaster here. Is this what Nick feels like in his cases? This man must have a mind of ******* adamantium to go on like this.

Regardless, we're on the home stretch now. Gonna go to TGA with an open mind.

 

[Leotsune]

Hmm... what an interesting development this is schrodinger's lawyer indeed.
I Nick is out, well I never thought of him as a "lock" just likely, can't say Im utterly devastated but its a bit sad.
Also: cmon folks, let's chill, at least we can joke about Phoenix making a ultimate turnabout.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

>even Nazyrus is speculating enough to pass off as an insider
Good grief, is everyone suddenly wanting to become the Vergeben collective? And now there's mistrust even in this thread.

Spoiler

I'm not surprised, between all the teases and mostly supposed disconfirmations, people either want a clear date for the reveal (not to say the reveal outright) or more clear cut leaks on whose our supposed number 5. Only then to proceed to wonder whose next and how many more DLC packs we'll get, because Smash fans are thirsty like that

The kicker is that they absolutely insist that we'll get a Direct before the VGAs, despite the fact that there's little reason to do so before February and the VGAs are the only logical event left to reveal news this year besides Jump Festa.

At this point, I'm just sort of annoyed at this new "don't actually confirm a character, just deconfirm a million characters around them" craze that's sweeping the leaker nation. Can't I just have my dreams crushed or fulfilled all at once?

Nope. Now you'll know how the Isaac/Waluigi/Shadow/Skull Kid fans felt, but at least Nick wouldn't show up as an AT, or in any form, for the moment.

"For the moment" being the key operative word, we still have an entire DLC cycle left to go through after next week.

 

[Dukemon102]

What's with all this talk about Capcom getting deconfirmed?
I almost had a heart attack

We might not be out of the running yet...

But of course this witness has a clear contradiction in his testimony. And also he doesn't have proof or track record to prove his claim.

He's not going down without giving a fight.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

what a time to have been asleep, I suppose Capcom disconfirmation isn't conclusive among leakers yet? I guess I'll wait until Verge states what he's heard, but it's a good thing many of us made posts of keeping expectations in check, eh?
I don't personally think Dante is the guaranteed next Capcom rep if Phoenix aint fighter 5, but it's definitely more of an uphill battle than our current scenario, but not as bad as when we still had to worry about RE and MH (both which IMO trumped Dante in chances).

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

what a time to have been asleep, I suppose Capcom disconfirmation isn't conclusive among leakers yet? I guess I'll wait until Verge states what he's heard, but it's a good thing many of us made posts of keeping expectations in check, eh?
I don't personally think Dante is the guaranteed next Capcom rep if Phoenix aint fighter 5, but it's definitely more of an uphill battle than our current scenario, but not as bad as when we still had to worry about RE and MH (both which IMO trumped Dante in chances).

I still think that Sakurai will go for a more underdog Capcom pick, even if it isn't Nick. It helps that the two biggest Capcom mascots are already in here, so it's anything goes for whoever comes after them.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

I still think that Sakurai will go for a more underdog Capcom pick, even if it isn't Nick. It helps that the two biggest Capcom mascots are already in here, so it's anything goes for whoever comes after them.

it honestly depends on how he wants to tackle things, Dante is probably the most popular and I think genre defining with RE out, Phoenix is the quirkiest and Sakurai-est in a way, Arthur is the most retro (a category I wish wasn't so predominant, but we've seen how many NES denizens conform Smash). There's more, but I don't know if I could categorize them as easily as these, nor do I feel their chances are as noteworthy (well, arguable for Arthur as well, but I think I can make a better stance on what he represents than I do Viewtiful Joe or Ammy, sorry guys). Only thing I'd like to believe ain't happening for sure is more MM or SF characters.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

it honestly depends on how he wants to tackle things, Dante is probably the most popular and I think genre defining with RE out, Phoenix is the quirkiest and Sakurai-est in a way, Arthur is the most retro (a category I wish wasn't so predominant, but we've seen how many NES denizens conform Smash). There's more, but I don't know if I could categorize them as easily as these, nor do I feel their chances are as noteworthy (well, arguable for Arthur as well, but I think I can make a better stance on what he represents than I do Viewtiful Joe or Ammy, sorry guys). Only thing I'd like to believe ain't happening for sure is more MM or SF characters.

Yeah I'm pretty sure that we won't get any more MM characters for this time at least. I can also count the possibility of Morrigan coming with her DS mechanics, even though she supposedly can't get in due to attire (seriously, her clothing's made out of bats, so there's an actual excuse for her to be covered up more slightly), but you can't deny her attendance record for crossovers and fightan games seeing as people mostly care for her alone.

And in fairness to Arthur, he originated on the arcades, not the crummy Micronics port, so I wouldn't really consider him NES.

Well, that's pretty much it in regards to other current Capcom possibilities, really.

 

[Krankees]

it honestly depends on how he wants to tackle things, Dante is probably the most popular and I think genre defining with RE out, Phoenix is the quirkiest and Sakurai-est in a way, Arthur is the most retro (a category I wish wasn't so predominant, but we've seen how many NES denizens conform Smash). There's more, but I don't know if I could categorize them as easily as these, nor do I feel their chances are as noteworthy (well, arguable for Arthur as well, but I think I can make a better stance on what he represents than I do Viewtiful Joe or Ammy, sorry guys). Only thing I'd like to believe ain't happening for sure is more MM or SF characters.

The only one I'm worried about is Dante to be honest.

 

[fogbadge]

We're not sure either and that's why we're waiting for Verge's comment but so far it's looking kind of hopeful. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

just one of them days then

 

[THE SLOTH]

As someone who’s been out of the loop for the speculation scene these past couple days, waking up to see this thumbnail terrified me lol

Thankfully, its just a recount of all the deconfirms from Sabi and Verge ever since Terry dropped. He even goes on to say Wright’s one of, if not the most likely FP5 candidates. Which is, of course, good and bad, but the fact only a leak of him has been deconfirmed but not the character himself gets me a little antsy. Still, keeping expectations tempered.