KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Bad. Idea.
Naryu's is way too laggy.
(Too bad perfect shielding doesn't exist online. -_-)
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SWF Low-Tier Tourney: Zelda
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Naryu's is way too laggy.
(Too bad perfect shielding doesn't exist online. -_-)
Finman702
Smash Journeyman
Not if he is far enough away, which he will be if he uses ^B as an attack. And the egg will go right back to him, so if he trys to run up to you it could hit him. It has worked in my expirences, but like I said I haven't fought any really good Yoshis.
zeldspazz
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A few of my friends seem to be pros at perfect sheilding online =_=
mountain_tiger
Smash Champion
Surely that depends on how good the connections of the players are? Just saying...
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Wifi, iirc, has a minimum of 6-7 frames of button lag, so considering you need to be within 4 frames to perfect shield.....
It's **** hard. Unless you have good prediction. Not impossible, but it's really hard for most people to do it consistently, especially if your connection isn't godly.
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
still not really worth it cause Yoshi can avoid the returning egg, and most distances hes gonna do it you should be ready to avoid the follow up jaws of doom.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Lucas is not tough...in comparision to Zelda's other matchups.
It's still evenish, which is more then Zelda could ever ask for really. lol
zeldspazz
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Thats where most of Zelda's matchups are once you get passed like high B tier isnt it?
MrEh
Smash Hero
Zelda's matchups are bad for a D tier. It's not that she has more bad matchups, but that her bad matchups are generally worse in comparison.
My general opinion about matchups look like this. And these are fairly optimistic at that.
S Tier
Meta Knight = Death
Snake = **** Sandwich
Wario = Lots of Poo
Falco = Poo
Diddy = Poo
Dedede = Evenish
A Tier
Marth = Lots of Poo
Gdub = Death
Pikachu = Poo
Olimar = Death
Ice Climbers = Evenish
ROB = Evenish
Kirby = Evenish
B Tier
Lucario = Evenish
ZSS = Poo
Toon Link = Poo
Pit = Poo
DK = Poo
C Tier
Peach = Lots of Poo
Luigi = Evenish
Fox = Poo
Wolf = Poo
Sonic = Evenish
Sheik = Evenish
D Tier
Bowser = Yay!
Zelda = lolwut?
Pokemon Trainer (overall) = Evenish
Charizard = Evenish
Ivysaur = Yay!
Squirtle = Evenish
Ike = Evenish
E Tier
Lucas = Evenish
Mario = Evenish
Ness = Evenish
Yoshi = Evenish
Samus = Evenish
F Tier
Jiggs = Yay!
Captain Falcon = Yay!
Link = Yay!
Ganondorf = Yay!
Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
So Zelda is fine where she is.
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
im liking how the E tier is ranked evenish by Mr Eh.
Finman702
Smash Journeyman
I can't tell if this is sarcasm... I'm just not sure!!!
I for one agree that E tier is mostly evenish.
hadesblade
Smash Lord
Soooooo... I have really bad news for azn. I lost to vato, so if he beats air, he gets to fight a third yoshi...
Half-Split Soul
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Weird enough, I actually agree with most of those.
And so AzN began his lonely quest to fight every single Yoshi to ever exist on the face of Earth...
Wolfric
Smash Journeyman
Hahahah, well, at least he have an idea of what to expect on his matchs.
mountain_tiger
Smash Champion
I mostly agree, except for...
Maybe this is just me, but I always thought this was 60:40 Zelda.
Wolfric
Smash Journeyman
I second you!
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
No. It's not that much in her favor.
imo
Darkmusician
Smash Master
Sonic The Hedgedawg
Smash Hero
because poo equates to roughly 60:40 so far as I can tell
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
They have lasers. We have Din's.
zeldspazz
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But......their lazers kinda suck imo lolThey have lasers. We have Din's.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
If that's your honest opinion, you need to play better spacies, lol.But......their lazers kinda suck imo lol
zeldspazz
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I sorta understand Wolf, but why Foxes? Is it simply cus it causes us to approach? I dont play spacies much except Falco so I really wouldnt know I guess.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Simply???
Being forced to approach + Zelda's complete lack of safe approaches = ....really bad, lol.
Plus his lasers a) refresh his other moves (like that godly usmash) and b) add on damage -- not a huge amount, but it adds up, and Zelda is light, floaty, and dies early...... to that godly usmash.
zeldspazz
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By simply I meant "is the answer the obvious one" I was seeing if there was more than 1 reason, which you gave me.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Gotcha. Basically, though, any MU where Zelda's decisively forced to approach can be put in the "poo" category.
Darkmusician
Smash Master
Fox and Wolf are both fast enough to just play the waiting game on Zelda.
Sonic The Hedgedawg
Smash Hero
sheik also fairly destroys wolf.
MrEh
Smash Hero
No she's not. lol
Top of E tier ftw.
Finman702
Smash Journeyman
I like her where she is. I can use D tier in low tiers where I am, so its all good.
Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
PT's going up no doubt, and wait, we count Ike?
Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
Alright, sorry guys but I lost 2-1 to kimchi.
Tried my best but I SD'd at 20% the last game, lol.
Tried my best but I SD'd at 20% the last game, lol.
Fox isn't that bad. Considering he doesn't have a ton of range like Wolf does, if Zelda gets into that fsmash range she can do a lot of nasty things to Fox. Also the usmash isn't that big of a deal as it seems because Foxs' only reliable setup into the move(dair) is not a very good idea against Zelda. He also is incredibly light and Zelda has just as much kill power as Fox. As long as you don't space like s*** on his shield there is no reason he should be hitting you with a frame 8 move OoS more than once or twice a match......especially if you're being careful at high percents like you should be.
Wolf just gets ***** by dsmash, if you have any sense of edgeguarding at all he shouldnt be getting back from a dsmash at high percents. Wolf just has a ton of range which makes it very difficult to land hits on him at times. He also has a great damage racking game with his jabs, dthrow, and his AC bair/fair.
Wolf is harder than Fox imo primarily due to the range factor and aerial movement. Both of them aren't defensive monsters however so I don't see the approaching issue as that big of a deal.
Wolf just gets ***** by dsmash, if you have any sense of edgeguarding at all he shouldnt be getting back from a dsmash at high percents. Wolf just has a ton of range which makes it very difficult to land hits on him at times. He also has a great damage racking game with his jabs, dthrow, and his AC bair/fair.
Wolf is harder than Fox imo primarily due to the range factor and aerial movement. Both of them aren't defensive monsters however so I don't see the approaching issue as that big of a deal.
AzNfinesse
Smash Journeyman
MrEh
Smash Hero
I love how the Zeldas are dropping like flies, and Yoshis rein supreme.
lol
lol
Half-Split Soul
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Links are also doing well so far.
At least there'll be Zelda dittos in the losers bracket, right guys?
At least there'll be Zelda dittos in the losers bracket, right guys?