Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Brawl's roster is only around 2GB. Calm down people. It's probably programming issues with characters like the Ice Climbers, not memory.

 

[User33]

What is your problem?

It's irritating to see you act as an authority on roster speculation when your track record is abysmal.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Its like you lot are coming to the realization that cuts will happen even though we have been talking about this for how many months? lol

If they cut characters between Melee and Brawl, they can do it here, too.
I can see why people are still "in denial", though.

I felt the same way pre-Brawl when people were talking about the Melee clones being cut.

 

[Metal Mania1321]

I am one of those losers. The practical reality of cuts is that there is a limited amount of time. I rather Sakurai use that time to make flavorful, interesting characters and revamp characters like Ganondorf (seems like Sakurai already made significant changes to Bowser). I do not think that axing potential newcomers for keeping characters like Toon Link is necessary.

I'd much rather it be in development for a longer time, so we get no ******* cuts. I'd rather there be tripping than cuts....

 

[Bowserlick]

If amateurs can make Smash Crusade and have a ton of characters, I am sure the pros can fit back the Brawl roster. Most of the Brawl roster is far better than any potential newcomer anyways.

The Nintendo team has to create models. Doesn't Smash Crusade rip animation from other games?

The thing is that cut characters still will exist in a Smash Brothers title. Characters that are never implemented into Smash will never be playable.

 

[volbound1700]

I would rather have just the three newcomers we have and the Brawl roster with edits than to have a bunch of newcomers with cuts.

 

[Metal Overlord]

People who want old Mewtwo are in the denial stage and the people who want both forms are in the bargaining stage and the people who want new Mewtwo are in the acceptance stage.

Nah, I understand perfectly why Awakened Mewtwo would be in over OG Mewtwo, and I can definitely see him getting in over old Mewtwo, I just... don't want new Mewtwo

Shocking I know, right

It isn't exactly about what I personally want anyway, so I don't really care what happens, just saiyan

 

[The Real Gamer]

What makes you think that part of there team isn't working on the online?

Of course they are working on online. All I'm saying is that more time/resources could have been dedicated to other things that we actually care about.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Its like you lot are coming to the realization that cuts will happen even though we have been talking about this for how many months? lol

Summed up nicely.

 

[Bowserlick]

I'd much rather it be in development for a longer time, so we get no ******* cuts. I'd rather there be tripping than cuts....

DLC solves the cut crisis. Package the cut characters in a bundle, sell it for twenty bucks.

 

[volbound1700]

The Nintendo team has to create models. Doesn't Smash Crusade rip animation from other games?

The thing is that cut characters still will exist in a Smash Brothers title. Characters that are never implemented into Smash will never be playable.

Yes but lets say they cut Sonic, then I never get to see him go up against Megaman or WFT or see him in HD, etc.

 

[Fatmanonice]

So guys....Kotaku is the only place who's reporting this...

How reliable are they?

100 times more than IGN at least.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

DLC solves the cut crisis. Package the cut characters in a bundle, sell it for twenty bucks.

Last time I checked, Sakurai had no plans for DLC for SSB4.
Wasn't that in the Kotaku article? (if it's true)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I just want Pokemon Trainer back...

 

[Arcadenik]

For people against possible character cuts...

God, seriously...

 

[8-peacock-8]

But Sakurai has no plans for DLC for SSB4.

That doesn't mean it wont/can't happen.

 

[N3ON]

Shelda? Are you serious?

I can see ICs gone maybe but Shelda, no way.

Albert: Indeed, but what could possibly take the spots for this game now? I bet the more amazing it is, the more size-heavy it'll be.

Hey, if the multiple character characters are the ones causing the main problem, then getting rid of the problem is the solution. Sheik is Sheik, sure, but it's not like that aspect of Zelda is crucial to the series if it hampers development.

In other news,
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-smash-bros-will-not-use-touch-screen-controls

Stage builder better.

So guys....Kotaku is the only place who's reporting this...

How reliable are they?

They're not going to just make things up. Some of them might be lousy journalists, but they still report on things accurately.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

It's irritating to see you act as an authority on roster speculation when your track record is abysmal.

How is his record abysmal? Most of the characters he supported Pre-Brawl, made it in.

 

[Metal Mania1321]

DLC solves the cut crisis. Package the cut characters in a bundle, sell it for twenty bucks.

It'd be money well-spent.

 

[Bowserlick]

Yes but lets say they cut Sonic, then I never get to see him go up against Megaman or WFT or see him in HD, etc.

That is a possibility. But if they didn't extend development time for Brawl to keep in Sonic, then maybe Sonic would have been saved for the fourth edition along with Megaman.

 

[KayB]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-no-plans-for-smash-bros-dlc-tripping-removed

For those who missed it.

Also taken directly from the article:
Sakurai also confirmed to me that tripping, a significant and frustrating element from Super Smash Bros. Brawl had been removed. The series creator described the gameplay direction of Super Smash Bros. Wii U and Super Smash Bros. 3DS as being somewhere between the faster, more competitive style of Melee and the slower, more casual design of Brawl. No doubt that will be good news for those wanting a better compromise.
Edit: Apparently someone already posted it. Ignore me.

 

[Deleted member]

Haha I know this feel all too well

I was like this all the time back in like 9th grade

We ALL do man. We've all been there, even the girls.

8th grade, 9th grade, 10th grade, 12th grade... Hell even as late as 2010 for me.

Eventually you wisen up though and learn to stop giving a ****. The moment you stop caring, is the moment **** starts going your way.

Just wanted to bring this up again since most people are awake now.

I still think the transition is far too quick to be reduced recovery on her FTilt and reduced startup on her FSmash.

One can only hope man.

Also, 50 users and 40 guests... 8 Pages in... what? 8 hours?

 

[ThatGuyYouMightKnow]

Tripping was fun until it actually happened to us. Which was before the game came out. Then it just got annoying casually. It cost people money competitively. Same reason why Smash-esque hazardous stages are hated so much. It's generally unfair to have to lose to the stage and not the person you're fighting, yet they get the credit for the win.

We have to remember that, with how deep and fast Melee was, it was still most likely the best experience this series has had casually so far.

 

[User33]

How is his record abysmal? Most of the characters he supported Pre-Brawl, made it in.

I think it'd be easier to name people who didn't support Diddy, Wario, King Dedede, Lucas, Sonic etc...

We're talking about the same guy who GUARANTEED that Mewtwo/Roy would be the US version of Brawl and that one of Little Mac, Ridley or King K Rool would be shown at the Nintendo Direct.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

For people against possible character cuts...

God, seriously...

Like I said before with my ill-timed post, if they cut characters between Melee and Brawl, they can do it here, too.
I can see why people are still "in denial", though.

I felt the same way pre-Brawl when people were talking about the Melee clones being cut.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Last time I checked, Sakurai had no plans for DLC for SSB4.
Wasn't that in the Kotaku article? (if it's true)

He said it MIGHT happen.

He's focusing on the game right now, but it's a possibility down the road.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

http://kotaku.com/well-you-already-get-the-villager-and-the-wii-fit-girl-513204781

You could say, every time they add a character, that character IS taking a slot from someone else.

In other words, Wii Fit Trainer IS taking up a slot that could have been used for someone else

 

[Metal Overlord]

All good news

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

All good news

No DLC, limited characters because of the 3DS's restrictions

All good news?

 

[volbound1700]

That is a possibility. But if they didn't extend development time for Brawl to keep in Sonic, then maybe Sonic would have been saved for the fourth edition along with Megaman.

I was just using Sonic for example. He will likely be back because of Lost World although I seriously doubt Snake now. Than again a few third parties could be the 4 I originally perdicted (Snake, Sonic, Megaman, and Pac-Man). That isn't a lot.

Basically you can say that about any character. You don't see them up against newcomers, with new items, new game play, etc. Pichu and maybe Dr. Mario are really the only cuts people found acceptable.

I do think Lucas could go and Ike can go if Chrom uses his moveset.

 

[8-peacock-8]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-no-plans-for-smash-bros-dlc-tripping-removed

For those who missed it.

Also taken directly from the article:
Sakurai also confirmed to me that tripping, a significant and frustrating element from Super Smash Bros. Brawl had been removed. The series creator described the gameplay direction of Super Smash Bros. Wii U and Super Smash Bros. 3DS as being somewhere between the faster, more competitive style of Melee and the slower, more casual design of Brawl. No doubt that will be good news for those wanting a better compromise.
Edit: Apparently someone already posted it. Ignore me.

This is a good thing. Now the elitest douche bags can shut up about SSB4 being too similar to Brawl.

 

[Metal Mania1321]

It's irritating to see you act as an authority on roster speculation when your track record is abysmal.

He's not an "authority". He's a person with an opinion, and a respected member of the community.

 

[FalKoopa]

I'm going to sleep. It's like 2 am here now.

I want to wake up and see some optimism here.

zzz...

 

[Holder of the Heel]

We ALL do man. We've all been there, even the girls.

8th grade, 9th grade, 10th grade, 12th grade... Hell even as late as 2010 for me.

Eventually you wisen up though and learn to stop giving a ****. The moment you stop caring, is the moment **** starts going your way.

I immediately thought of Sokka from that TLA episode about love and fortunes.

Spoiler

Me being an apathetic outsider gets me all the *******.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaah. Some people here are making this a bigger deal than it should be.

 

[N3ON]

People wouldn't be treating the Villager as some undesirable nearly as much if it weren't for Sakurai's statements pretty much telling us not to expect him. Had we not got them, he would've been one of the more popular candidates, and people wouldn't begrudge a "character no one wanted" got in over some other ones. That one is Sakurai's doing.

 

[The Black mage]

About that stage from Fire emblem...
I was going around the web, and to my surprise, there will be a stage based on Fire emblem.

Try to guess what it is.

 

[Metal Overlord]

> no tripping
> no planned DLC meaning no on-disc DLC if they do decide to do it

That's what I was referring to, didn't know about the 3DS thing though

 

[ChronoBound]

It's irritating to see you act as an authority on roster speculation when your track record is abysmal.

First, I have never acted as an authorityy. Secondly, my predictions for Melee and Brawl, and Smash 4 (with the exception of two characters that no one else saw coming) were accurate.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

People wouldn't be treating the Villager as some undesirable nearly as much if it weren't for Sakurai's statements pretty much telling us not to expect him. Had we not got them, he would've been one of the more popular candidates, and people wouldn't begrudge a "character no one wanted" got in over some other ones. That one is Sakurai's doing.

You think he was trolling us the whole time so his reveal would be more of a surprise, or did he genuinely change his mind?