Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Bowserlick]

I never really liked ZSS that much anyway. However, I would still be disappointed with the cut of an original character.

Hopefully if ZSS was cut, Sakurai replaces her with Ridley as Metroid's second playable character (though we will probably get that ugly Other M version considering that Samus is in her Other M form as well).

I still think Sakurai made a big mistake with the newcomer selection he did (especially if Little Mac, Mii, and Pac-Man are true too).

I think the Wii Fit Trainer is a good enough replacement for Zamus. And if Ridley also appears, the better. Zamus was an original character, but she did have alot of whip attacks and a bizarre special jump that didn't really make sense.

I think the newcomer selection is great so far, except if Little Mac and Mii show up. Mii seems too much like Villager in terms of design and random moveset. Little Mac is just too boring for me.

Pacman I would love, but I understand people not wanting a giant smiley face in the game.

 

[volbound1700]

Do you think they want different characters in each game to bring people back to past games. Like how some people play Melee or buy old copies to play as Roy, Mewtwo, etc.?

 

[ChronoBound]

I guess the whole DLC-deal is now for cut characters of this game? I think so.

I think that is what will happen if DLC does happen. Really Sakurai will try to get as many newcomers as he can, and keep in all the series mainstays. Characters like the two guests, Ike, Lucario, PT, Toon Link, and Lucas, to name a few may be axed.

In such a situation, I would not mind clones beefing up the roster (as long as they are good choices). However, due to the Western fanbase pissing their pants during the past two games over clones, I doubt they are going to happen again outside of DLC.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Alright. The 3DS limiting the Wii U version is downright stupid.

Couple things though.

"The reality of the situation unfortunately is that there are certain limitations on the 3DS," Sakurai said. The 3DS and Wii U versions of the next Smash Bros will have the same library of characters.
"So we're forced into the situation where we may need to reduce some characters to a certain degree. but we're really working hard in order to include as many characters as possible."

So... We have the same characters on both versions but where does it explicitly say cuts? The wording is so weird, it makes no sense. It sounds like Sakurai means he's going to reduce the complexity of certain characters. Perhaps Zelda and Sheik will be separated to prevent complicated loading or something like that. Regardless, Sakurai said that he was trying to include as many characters as possible. I think he's going to try his hardest to prevent cuts. But...Just to be safe, how reliable is Kotaku?

 

[ChronoBound]

Really, I am not going to treat Smash 4 as a proper successor to Brawl, and instead as a handheld installment, with the Wii U version being a HD version of the handheld installment. Just hope Ridley gets in, and that we get as many of Brawl's veterans back as possible.

Also, crossing my fingers for DLC in the case of Brawl veterans that do get cut.

 

[Arcadenik]

So... Zelda/Sheik separated and replaced with Zelda AND Impa?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I can't believe that you people are so ecstatic about tripping being removed.
I mean, yeah, it's cool and all that Sakurai seemed to listen to the fans, but still.

 

[FalKoopa]

I have a suggestion.
http://smashboards.com/threads/miiverse-post-for-no-cuts.337367/

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Like the people that think NOT adding piracy prevention to systems and games is a feature

 

[Frostwraith]

Alright. The 3DS limiting the Wii U version is downright stupid.

Couple things though.

"The reality of the situation unfortunately is that there are certain limitations on the 3DS," Sakurai said. The 3DS and Wii U versions of the next Smash Bros will have the same library of characters.
"So we're forced into the situation where we may need to reduce some characters to a certain degree. but we're really working hard in order to include as many characters as possible."

So... We have the same characters on both versions but where does it explicitly say cuts? The wording is so weird, it makes no sense. It sounds like Sakurai means he's going to reduce the complexity of certain characters. Perhaps Zelda and Sheik will be separated to prevent complicated loading or something like that. Regardless, Sakurai said that he was trying to include as many characters as possible. I think he's going to try his hardest to prevent cuts. But...Just to be safe, how reliable is Kotaku?

The wording is kind of odd... This whole deal of having interviews via translator may distort what Sakurai might be really saying.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I can't believe that you people are so ecstatic about tripping being removed.
I mean, yeah, it's cool and all that Sakurai seemed to listen to the fans, but still.

So we can't be happy that the stupidest mechanic in brawl is gone? It's great to have that BS gone.

 

[Wario Bros.]

I still think some people are overreacting and looking deeper than what actually exists on this news. I'm just gonna give it some time before I fully complain.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Or he's as vague as ever.

 

[volbound1700]

I have a suggestion.
http://smashboards.com/threads/miiverse-post-for-no-cuts.337367/

I could use some supports because the replies are a bunch of losers that actually want cuts.

 

[Moon Monkey]

I feel we are taking what Sakurai is saying to heart, and we shouldn't.

Last year Sakurai said not to expect so many characters and that he is focusing on balance, now these translation (because these things aren't always one to one Smash4 screenshots anyone?) are saying " he was trying to include as many characters as possible."

pre-Brawl Sakurai ruled out Villager and now we have him for SSB4

We should wait until we have these interviews in context.

 

[ThatGuyYouMightKnow]

I really don't see the problem in making the handheld version a watered down version of the real thing, but okay Nintendo. Not like that hasn't been happening for years already.

 

[Baskerville]

Really, I am not going to treat Smash 4 as a proper successor to Brawl, and instead as a handheld installment, with the Wii U version being a HD version of the handheld installment. Just hope Ridley gets in, and that we get as many of Brawl's veterans back as possible.

Also, crossing my fingers for DLC in the case of Brawl veterans that do get cut.

. . . . . . . .
You can't be ****ing serious right now

 

[Bowserlick]

So... Zelda/Sheik separated and replaced with Zelda AND Impa?

Oh Dear Lord, I hope Diddy is not right!

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

So we can't be happy that the stupidest mechanic in brawl is gone? It's great to have that BS gone.

It was hilariously stupid.

 

[Oasis_S]

Don't go on a no cuts campaign, because then how are we going to get rid of Toon Link?

Then there's the whole futility of it.

Anyway, think you guys are worrying too much. But maybe I'm still just too excited over everything in general, as well as my incapability to feel down due to New Leaf. Life is wonderful.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Damn ambiguous Sakurai is worst Sakurai

I mean I'd rather know right now if we will get less or more characters...

 

[ChronoBound]

I am going to rage again if Roy (and many other veterans I liked) got bumped out again due to time constraints, though I suppose Sakurai potentially has the option for DLC to complete his intended characters.

 

[volbound1700]

That is it, if they start cutting characters, I will not just not buy the game but Wii U. I have the Wii and a PC, don't need it. I can play Smash Crusade.

 

[FalKoopa]

In other news,
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-smash-bros-will-not-use-touch-screen-controls

 

[Metal Mania1321]

I think that is what will happen if DLC does happen. Really Sakurai will try to get as many newcomers as he can, and keep in all the series mainstays. Characters like the two guests, Ike, Lucario, PT, Toon Link, and Lucas, to name a few may be axed.

In such a situation, I would not mind clones beefing up the roster (as long as they are good choices). However, due to the Western fanbase pissing their pants during the past two games over clones, I doubt they are going to happen again outside of DLC.

Those are my four favorite characters....

 

[8-peacock-8]

It was hilariously stupid.

Until it happens to you and you get horribly destroyed the next split second. Not exactly fun when it sets you up to be a ridiculously easy kill.

 

[The Real Gamer]

I really wish the 3DS version never existed... All of this time wasted trying to "balance" the two versions could have went into programming a superior online mode or adding/balancing more characters.

 

[Bowserlick]

I could use some supports because the replies are a bunch of losers that actually want cuts.

I am one of those losers. The practical reality of cuts is that there is a limited amount of time. I rather Sakurai use that time to make flavorful, interesting characters and revamp characters like Ganondorf (seems like Sakurai already made significant changes to Bowser). I do not think that axing potential newcomers for keeping characters like Toon Link is necessary.

 

[Baskerville]

That is it, if they start cutting characters, I will not just not buy the game but Wii U. I have the Wii and a PC, don't need it. I can play Smash Crusade.

Now you lot are just over exaggerating at this point.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Until it happens to you and you get horribly destroyed the next split second. Not exactly fun when it sets you up to be a ridiculously easy kill.

They should make tripping optional in SSB4. Toggle it on and off.
Nobody likes tripping, but they should do it anyway for laughs and the heck of it.

 

[User33]

Really, I am not going to treat Smash 4 as a proper successor to Brawl, and instead as a handheld installment, with the Wii U version being a HD version of the handheld installment. Just hope Ridley gets in, and that we get as many of Brawl's veterans back as possible.

Also, crossing my fingers for DLC in the case of Brawl veterans that do get cut.

...you do that.

Those are my four favorite characters....

He doesn't know anything, he just has way too high an opinion of his often-wrong speculation.

 

[ChronoBound]

That is it, if they start cutting characters, I will not just not buy the game but Wii U. I have the Wii and a PC, don't need it. I can play Smash Crusade.

I see no need to buy the Wii U version if both games have the same roster, and a gimped roster at that. Like I said, I am not going to be disappointed if I treat this like a handheld installment overall.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I really wish the 3DS version never existed... All of this time wasted trying to "balance" the two versions could have went into programming a superior online mode or adding/balancing more characters.

What makes you think that part of there team isn't working on the online?

 

[volbound1700]

I am one of those losers. The practical reality of cuts is that there is a limited amount of time. I rather Sakurai use that time to make flavorful, interesting characters and revamp characters like Ganondorf (seems like Sakurai already made significant changes to Bowser). I do not think that axing potential newcomers for keeping characters like Toon Link is necessary.

If amateurs can make Smash Crusade and have a ton of characters, I am sure the pros can fit back the Brawl roster. Most of the Brawl roster is far better than any potential newcomer anyways.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So guys....Kotaku is the only place who's reporting this...

How reliable are they?

 

[ChronoBound]

...you do that.



He doesn't know anything, he just has way too high an opinion of his often-wrong speculation.

What is your problem?

 

[Baskerville]

Its like you lot are coming to the realization that cuts will happen even though we have been talking about this for how many months? lol

 

[volbound1700]

Now you lot are just over exaggerating at this point.

Not really because I am getting married soon and could spend my money elsewhere. I told people I may not even get the next Smash because I am getting too old unless it really sells itself to me.

 

[Fatmanonice]

This bit of news makes me think that if they do continue to have problems with multiple fighter characters, Pokemon Trainer is almost certainly going to be axed. Three characters in one that are difficult to program would simply be killing three birds with one stone. I suppose they could just split them into separate characters though. I will admit that I will be genuinely heart broken if the Ice Climbers are gone though.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

So here's some food for thought:

We know that both versions of Smash 4 will have the same characters now. However, both versions will have different stages. So that makes me wonder: what about cross-play between to two? I mean, I don't think cross-play would be much fun if you were only limited to the 2 or 3 stages that are common between the two. This tells me that either:
a) There will be no cross-play, and the connectivity between the two will be much more limited

or

b) There will be cross-play, and connecting the two versions will unlock the stages from one for use in the other in some form.

Edit: also, I think I figured this stage out. It looks to me like it's either an SSE stage, or a Smash 4 versio n of the "scrolling stage" that we've had since Melee(i.e. Jungle Climber, Icicle Mountain, Mushroomy Kingdom).