Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[CT Chia]

Awwww :/

go town

 

[T-block]

That is unfortunate...

 

[Padô]

Wow, what a turn of events... I guess now it's time to search for T-Blocks posts and check if I can make any associations/links with other players.

I'll brb when I figure something out or not.

 

[Omni]

lol @ t-block being mafia. did not see that one coming. ill be doin a hard reread as well.

 

[Padô]

And I hope Rajam has got a song note right.

 

[Padô]

lol @ t-block being mafia. did not see that one coming. ill be doin a hard reread as well.

Neither did I, after all interactions he had with me I found his play a little bit townie (all the questions he asked me and other players and stuff)... just wow.

 

[Krystedez]

I was like WOW when I read the title.. Our Indy is a freakin' hacker! Unless we have a town slickshot or town-sided NKer or something like DEHF was sorta.

 

[UTDZac]

I was like WOW when I read the title.. Our Indy is a freakin' hacker! Unless we have a town slickshot or town-sided NKer or something like DEHF was sorta.

Or Chibo switched T-block with mafia's kill target or something.

Raz, if you had to guess what happened, what would you guess?

 

[Rajam]

And I hope Rajam has got a song note right.

I'm not gonna claim that

I'll claim after I use my ability/ies

Also, told ya scum was in my wagon

What everyone thinks about using RR's info and do a name claim of Mario, Mallow, Geno, Bowser, and Peach? That way we'll split into two groups, one that we know there is 1 mafia and 4 town (and whoever claims Mario without being cclaimed will be 100% town), and the rest where there could still be 1 scum left, and probably 1 or 2 indies

We'd split into two groups:

Group A: Mario, Mellow, Geno, Bowser, Peach -> 1 scum, 3 town, 1 confirmed town
Group B: The other 5 players. 0 or 1 mafia, 1 or 2 indies

Oppinions?

Shaya what do you think now that Chibo is gone?

 

[UTDZac]

Who was it that said Mario was confirmed town?

 

[Rajam]

Actually...

vote: Shaya

Pressured/wanted dead: me, RR and Chibo. Hardly interacted with T-block.

k let's just claim, lynch and move on. Shaya is scum; we don't need to divert the attention and lynch other player wrongly

who's with me

 

[Rajam]

Who was it that said Mario was confirmed town?

Red Ryu; he also said one of the main five heroes was a safeclaim for scum

 

[UTDZac]

Did he say that somewhere after his #679

 

[Rajam]

can't remember, let me search

 

[Rajam]

Frogfucius (Wise townie)

I know info about the set-up, that is my only ability.

Mario is in this Game, Bowyer is not which is why I tunneled Kryz about this because he kept speculating about that person a lot.

The four other characters are not all who they seem, meaning scum is using some of them for safe claims.

I crumbed this already if you look at my responses to Chibo and see how I said Mario was a town role while the others were not guaranteed town. Bowyer was my talk with Kryz about it so there is no point in hiding it if someone looked back and read it.

RR's claim (posts 671 and 679)

Also, my bad: There could be more than 1 hero-guy that scum is using as safe claim. Mario is 100% town though

 

[Rajam]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12569829&postcount=191

@Omni

About the RR Vs. T-Block incident. Well, I can't believe Red Ryu said the stuff he said. Honestly, it's pretty bad, BY THE WAY, because of it being so bad I suspect he done it on purpose so maybe other scummates could try FoS'ing him to make him look like Town. I wouldn't assume he did it on purpose if he was a newbie which he isn't...

In addition to all this, I don't like justifying votes with previous games/plays for many reasons...

1st - We are on a different game with different people with different roles there is no correlation between this games and other games, all you can take from other games is PERSONAL experience about how other people play and as said PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

2nd - It's just too easy to do it. You can say someone is playing like this and you have to read a whole other mafia game, which I doubt hard someone has done it before, to figure something out and, finally, voting for that reason you figured. Honestly, seems like the perfect move for scum mates to fake a town alignment. The "previous game/play" reasoning is weak and easily dismissible.

This is on RR side.

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Now T-Blocks side:

Maybe he saw how unfortunate RR's post was and just pressured to get some information outta him. Scum team saw someone pressured RR before they did and they just didn't pressure longer so the wagon would get stronger. This would put us back again on 0% progress.

He's his scum mate trying to look like town. Since he used the "previous games/plays" justification too this is still a viable supposition. But still can't be confirmed, I believe nothing can be confirmed so early in this game. Remember that all this is EASILY dismissible, I'm pretty much bringing this back to life lol.

End of T-blocks side.

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Overview of the incident.

I don't like the votes justification, they are bad, I don't like lynching people because of previous plays it's just too inaccurate. I'd rather analyze this more later on.

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Ongoings:

I believe we should just focus on Rajam throwing away votes like this. I just hate when people start throwing away votes without any reasoning AND using the RVS as justification is no more acceptable since we all reached a consensus that it should end when things started to happen.

FoS: Rajam

And waiting for a good answer on: why are you doing this Rajam?

@Thread

Ninja'd by many people LOL

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Why did you make this proviso/salvo only on t-block's side, but not on RR's?

 

[Raziek]

Or Chibo switched T-block with mafia's kill target or something.

Raz, if you had to guess what happened, what would you guess?

Well, the fact that Chibo died leads me to believe either his Bus Driver role was limited in some way, resulting in his death (perhaps switching with maf kills him?) or he got NK'd.

T-Block being Smithy surprised the **** out of me, I had him as reasonably pro-Town, definitely going to re-read that. His death means we either have a rapist vig, or Chibo bus'd something.

As for Rajam's idea, I disagree completely. Just because Smithy is dead doesn't mean we should out possible PRs, and obviously if one of those names is a safeclaim, they're not going to claim it. Too prone to mis-lynch, bad for Town PRs.

FoS: Rajam

Did you SERIOUSLY think that was a good idea? Explain to me the benefits of giving scum a list of the people who have Town nameclaims. (Especially IMPORTANT nameclaims)

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Town Bus Driver...? Really?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Also, getting Mario to claim is a horribe idea, Rajam. Let what RR said be of use when Mario has to actually claim, if he has to.

 

[Rajam]

Well, the fact that Chibo died leads me to believe either his Bus Driver role was limited in some way, resulting in his death (perhaps switching with maf kills him?) or he got NK'd.

T-Block being Smithy surprised the **** out of me, I had him as reasonably pro-Town, definitely going to re-read that. His death means we either have a rapist vig, or Chibo bus'd something.

As for Rajam's idea, I disagree completely. Just because Smithy is dead doesn't mean we should out possible PRs, and obviously if one of those names is a safeclaim, they're not going to claim it. Too prone to mis-lynch, bad for Town PRs.

FoS: Rajam

Did you SERIOUSLY think that was a good idea? Explain to me the benefits of giving scum a list of the people who have Town nameclaims. (Especially IMPORTANT nameclaims)

First: this is an OS game. No vanillas. Everyone is a Power Role
Second: I only proposed a name-claim, not a role-claim. I do not support a role-claim, but based on RR's info, I do support a name-claim.

If scum doesn't want to use his safe-claim, we at least can assume town is, so whoever claim is town. Obviously if all the 5-main heroes claim, we know Mario is town meanwhile at least one of them is scum

Even if scum would know town names, they still wouldn't know their abilities. If they proceed to NKill them, then whoever stay by the end is scum. If not all 5 heroes were name-claimed, we can assume that whoever claimed is town. By knowing this info we can split into two groups hence improving our chances to make wiser decisions. (see example). Last, possible roles like watcher, tracker, or that kind of roles can make wiser decisions at Night. Now last: I don't know why we wouldn't want to use RR's info. Mario is town => one less guy to look if Mario claims. Sure, the guy is very likely to be NKilled, but also likely to be watched or "victim" of other possible roles which can give a lot of info

Example:
A B C D are in group 1. You know one of them is scum, the other 3 town
E F G H I are in group 2. Super likely 2 of them are scum.

Let's say A and E are the lynch candidates. There doesn't seem to be a consensus. Who would you lynch?
A has a 25% chance of being scum. E has a 40% chance. Lynching E is hence wiser

I support a name-claim to split the players and tracking better who is (more) likely to be scum, if someone from group 1 or group 2.

 

[UTDZac]

Can't we do that whole thing without having Mario name claim?

 

[Rajam]

Why keep Mario hidden? I don't get it
confirmed town from this early will allow us to focus on other players instead of the confirmed town

If we pressure all Day player A and then when he's at L-1 with less than 24 hours for deadline he claims "Guyz aim Mario! :8bn4b2:" with no cclaim then it means we "wasted" the Day focusing on a non-scum player, meanwhile we could've used that time to pressure guys with an actual chance of being scum

Scum knows anyways who isn't mafia so I don't understand why keeping Mario hidden. Also the wifom will translate to scum; they'll have to decide if they NKill the obv confirmed-town with the risk of being detected, or NKill someone else meaning they'll leave the confirmed-town another Day alive. Scum knows anyways who isn't mafia so I don't understand why keeping Mario hidden.

 

[UTDZac]

Whoever gets confirmed as town will get NK, then we have nothing.

See IDM @ DMG.

 

[UTDZac]

EBWOP: They will NK a confirmed townie because now all of town knows that person is town and won't bother lynching them (which scares scum).

 

[Raziek]

^This. That's a REALLY dumb plan, Rajam.

 

[Pierce7d]

eh, confirmed town with a doc and watcher on board is definately not a bad play. But let me think it over a bit more.

vote: shaya

 

[Pierce7d]

also, while I had a town read on tblock as well, I told you, he blends very well, and no one should be cleared off day 1 events.

 

[Rajam]

eh, confirmed town with a doc and watcher on board is definately not a bad play. But let me think it over a bit more.

vote: shaya

...watcher?

I guess you're referring to me with the doc

If there is a watcher, the more the reason Mario should claim

 

[Raziek]

Doc/Watcher is an invincible combo, I find it somewhat unlikely that OS put it in the game.

I was just in a DGames Resident Evil Mafia in which I had Doc, and Chibo was watcher. It didn't occur to us that we were broken, but Adum explained it to me afterwards. I don't think there will be both.

I also HEAVILY disagree with trying to break the game via flavor on Day 2. It's not going to legitimately work, because we'd have to mass-claim, which is a really bad idea.

 

[Rajam]

oh and yeah Shaya. rajam wagon is so in right now. if we can't get enough content out of him then we'd at least aim for a claim.

@rajam: btw, what was the point of you asking me some of the questions you asked me? i feel like you've been kinda throwing out questions but haven't really been following up with them making me think you're only asking for the sake of asking.

~ Note to self: Omni started the idea of me claiming. (post #251) ~

 

[Rajam]

Doc/Watcher is an invincible combo, I find it somewhat unlikely that OS put it in the game.

I was just in a DGames Resident Evil Mafia in which I had Doc, and Chibo was watcher. It didn't occur to us that we were broken, but Adum explained it to me afterwards. I don't think there will be both.

I also HEAVILY disagree with trying to break the game via flavor on Day 2. It's not going to legitimately work, because we'd have to mass-claim, which is a really bad idea.

Again, its only a name claim, and not massive: only for the main 5 heroes, or maybe just Mario.

 

[UTDZac]

I still don't understand why you want Mario to claim...

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Rajam, as long as we don't super focus one player, your situation where Mario claiming right before the day ends and us being left with no one to lynch shouldn't be a problem. Options. It gives us a chance to get information, too.

 

[Shaya]

claim stuff

One enquiry to that, and perhaps having an alternate interpretation of RR's claim. But I thought RR said that Mario is in the game (is town) while the rest of the crew may not be who it seems. Did he specifically state that ONE of them is scum? Omni said something along those lines and I found it odd (maybe I missed something?), you seem to believe that too.

Shaya what do you think now that Chibo is gone?

I didn't like his play. His pressure was mostly follow ups of other people and the only unique thing he said was that he thought T-Block was scummy. He said he would make a case against him but he didn't, even though I asked him to flesh out that opinion. There is a lot of WIFOM going on in my head here, more specifically relating to who Chibo thought was town (Raj/Pierce) and their now aggressive behaviour.

Actually...

vote: Shaya

Pressured/wanted dead: me, RR and Chibo. Hardly interacted with T-block.

So two of those are town hence I'm scum? How many other players does this apply to? My pressure on RR was somewhat on the low end, because I was drastically more interested in you because of your trollclaiming. You should probably do a re-read of me before making statements on foggy memory. There are other people I pressured throughout yesterday, and I don't recall saying "wanted dead" to any of those three names - I did say chibo dying would be interesting because of his interactions (T-Block [off-hand remark], RR [said he was town until he changed his mind], Omni, Rajam, Krys [briefly]; he interacted with me at the end of the day but other than that he was on the low end).

Rajam, Raziek, UTDZac, Krystedez, TinMan, Omni, Pierce, Pado, Hilt, Shaya

Out of the players left, Zac, Krys, Tin and Pado had not left much of a mark on me in terms of content yesterday.

Those four players:

What did you feel about Chibo at the end of yesterday? Did you think he would die? What information did his death bring to you?

Them/rest:
Did you feel T-Block was town? What lead you to believe this?


Personally I hadn't played SMRPG (I got up to the sewer system or something with your first team mate?) so I honestly don't know many/any of the characters. But from looking at Booster, Chibo was breadcrumbing his role with the mentions of Knife Guy/Grate Guy - he also mentioned Exor doesn't exist in this game (IIRC). From reading his thing, it seems like he was initially a villain/bad guy, I wonder if someone picked up on that and acted accordingly (potential town-aligned vigilante?).

 

[Shaya]

Quick re-read of T-Block:

Spoiler

Fine with RR death.
Defended Krys for not voting
Defended Zac (against myself, Omni)
Defended Omni (re: Rajam saying Omni was scum)
Pushed Rajam a little bit (asking if people think he's town other than colour/role)
Saw RR's self vote as somewhat towny
Asks Raziek for chibo opinion / Raziek never replied to it.
Defended Zac (against Omni)
Willing to hammer RR
States he will reread omni
States scum may know the real colour
Doesn't feel Rajam should be cleared on colour
"If rajam flips scum" ... RR is probably also scum.
Thinks RR is town, Rajam is leaning town but dislikes conclusiveness on colours.
Points out Tin's opinion on Rajam (town), Red (scum)
Dislikes Omni trying to end the day early
RR at l-1, T-Block asks for an unvote.
Fine with RR death, backs Chibo's opinion.
Prefers Rajam over RR, think's its a bad idea.
Defends Pierce against Pado's thoughts of Pierce being scum.
Frogfucious more likely in the game than Toadofsky
If Rajam flips town, a lot of null reads.
Defends Pierce against Krys accusations.
Krys is next scum pick.
States he think some of Omni's posts are scummy.
Defends Omni some moar.

Mario is in this Game, Bowyer is not which is why I tunneled Kryz about this because he kept speculating about that person a lot.

The four other characters are not all who they seem, meaning scum is using some of them for safe claims.

I crumbed this already if you look at my responses to Chibo and see how I said Mario was a town role while the others were not guaranteed town. Bowyer was my talk with Kryz about it so there is no point in hiding it if someone looked back and read it.

Also found this along the way:
"The four other characters are not all who they seem, meaning scum is using some of them for safe claims."

In other words, Rajam's idea for mass name claim is outright stupid. Potentially scummy. Omni having the same interpretation is interesting too.

In other words its possible that out of those 4 characters, all 4 could be safe claims, or all 3, or 2, or one. Who knows? Scum would though (although it's possible there's a mix of them between independents/mafia).

 

[Shaya]

The "List" of T-Block is in reverse chronological order.

 

[Omni]

major **** going down irl. Can't use laptop at work anymore

 

[Padô]

@Rajam

I made this salvo because I was bringing back T-Blocks side into play once again (which was forgotten during the rest of the Day), IIRC I was the only one who suspected he could be Mafia at the start of the game because of that incident with RR, it wasn't as I expected (RR and T-Block scummates) but he was scum.

I didn't do it on RRs side because he was already with the spotlights at him so It wouldn't be necessary to say all the **** he done could be dismissed because it actually couldn't because he died later on.

@Shaya

At first I suspected T-Block of being scum because with his interaction with RR at the start of the game, he seemed a little bit unsure about voting RR and at the same time told people to lynch him, maybe he was just scum trying to make himself look town by FoS'ing someone clearly scummy.
But then, as the game proceeded he start to look more safer then usual just following Town's options, doing a little bit of scumhunting and asking good questions to some players. I was starting to go from scum read to leaning town.

As for Chibo, IMO he was null, he didn't contribute too much but he did a really good job at answering a lot of questions about himself and whom he was suspecting off like he does often on other games, nothing special at all, btw I can't get precise reads on Chibo TBH I never could I believe other people have seen me saying this.

 

[Padô]

@Rajam

After re-reading a few things I gotta agree with you Rajam, Shaya hardly interacted with T-Block and this could make him a suspect but, I still can't understand why you wanted name claims right now. I'm not against it but I don't feel we need something like this right now, we are just at the start of Day2 there's a lot to happen yet.

I'm voting Shaya because I feel Rajam has the best play so far, it's the only one, at least for me, which is a confirmed townie and brought up good points by remembering us that he was the one which pressured RR and Chibo quite enough to worth a vote.

Vote: Shaya

 

[Rajam]

Shaya, the lack of scumpicks in your 1234+1235 is noteworthy

I felt T-block was scum long part of Day 1, though I began to drop him last days

What conclusions do you draw from your analysis on T-block?