Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[Padô]

**** THIS.

Firefox just ate my big answer to Hilt's question. I'll try to type it again tomorrow

 

[Omni]

What Raziek said.

Haven't been online much. I'll try to make more time soon. Life is getting hectic.

 

[Shaya]

Coasting Town/Scum List of Gold:
Krys
Omni
Raziek
Tinman

Halfies:

Pado
Zac
Hilt

I'm feeling a Krys wagon based on inactivity. His play doesn't seem much different to BBRM. I'm giving credit to Omni due to his day 1, but if people weren't being useless I'd probably be pursuing it harder. I've changed my mind about waiting for some things because I'd prob be waiting until the end of time.

Vote: Krys

Here's some loaded question for you,
How do you contrast your play from BBRM where you were scum to this game in which your play is similar?
Who is scum?

I'm keeping up with this game too even though my university workload is growing exponentially in the last 3-4 weeks of my semester.

Just take note that day 2 started on page 31 (40pp) while we're only up to the beginning of 33.

 

[Tin Man]

Some of the posts that started this game i find to be rather hilarious.

Freicken stupid damnit uhg

I was perfectly content with only being in 2 games right now and wasn't going to join the next BBR mafia but you picked one of my favorite games of all time I hate you I'm going to win this game

/in

I'm i n.

Inb4Chiboinactivityjohns,too.

/in

Let's see. Hoping to get Frogfucius!

/confirming Mafia godfather

RVS seemed fun...

Vote: Omni

Too easy.

Out of the players left, Zac, Krys, Tin and Pado had not left much of a mark on me in terms of content yesterday.

Those four players:

What did you feel about Chibo at the end of yesterday? Did you think he would die? What information did his death bring to you?

Them/rest:
Did you feel T-Block was town? What lead you to believe this?

I felt Chibo was well not Scum. A major part could be due to Red Ryu's trolling which I ended up falling for. My point being that by comparing Chibo's actions to Red Ryu's, Chibo more than flew under the scum radar for me.

I had no idea that he'd perish. Sad to see him go.

His death, as well as T-Blocks leads me to believe that (mainly according to this: http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Faction) That there are possibly 2 factions. I believe Omni mentioned recently about a possible serial killer. The point is that 2 people died in the night and I'm trying to make sense of it.

My read on T-Block was rather null i guess. I didn't have enough information to conclude him as town really. Just didn't think of him as scum, again, due to Red Ryu.

What conclusions did the other players feel about RR's information?
I want this answered by everyone.

Well I can conclude as well as others that his information is correct. This is referring to what he was saying about his role. I believe the information can be trusted and should be used to make appropriate decisions.

 

[Shaya]

Well I can conclude as well as others that his information is correct. This is referring to what he was saying about his role. I believe the information can be trusted and should be used to make appropriate decisions.

Omni and Rajam both assumed that the information was
"if one of those people who claim Bowser, Peach, Geno, Mallow? (the cloud guy) then the rest are confirmed town".

This is what I was referring to on whether or not anyone else had a similar interpretation. What do you feel about two players coming to that conclusion while no one else seemed to?
Skimming flag raised.

 

[Shaya]

EBWOP:

"if one of those people who claim Bowser, Peach, Geno, Mallow? (the cloud guy) [are scum] then the rest are confirmed town".

 

[Overswarm]

Shaya - Pado
Hilt - Pierce7D, Omni
Pado - Rajam,
Krys - Shaya

Not voting: Raziek, UTDZac, Krystedez, Zigsta, Hilt,

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Wednesday, May 11th, at 3:00 p.m.

 

[Pierce7d]

Oh, I just saw your question Shaya.

I have not concluded anything about RR's information. I am merely waiting to see how it will eventually profit me.

 

[Pierce7d]

Well, that's not entirely true. I've concluded that Mario is probably a trustworthy character, and that the others require skepticism, but I doubt we'll see them as a claim. There's so many safe claims if Toadafsky is a real role, because it shows OS is willing to put in the most insignificant characters.

 

[Padô]

How I feel about the whole "Rajam confirmed townie" thing, and the color situation. If RR had flipped scum, I would have figured that him not knowing the town color was based on him being scum and not having been given it, which would mean none of scum was given it. And since Rajam knew it, it would be very, very unlikely that he was scum. But now that RR flipped town, and it turns out he just didn't know the color, there's no reason for people to believe that Rajam is anything close to confirmed townie. After all, we have no way of knowing that scum doesn't know the color. Main reason I'm saying this is, Pado, you were one (maybe the only one, I'm not sure) that consider Rajam confirmed town for sure. What do you think bout this logic? Do you disagree? Does it make sense? I'd like to hear your thoughts about it.

Hilt,

I don't understand the statement in bold. If Red Ryu was town he must've known his role color was blue just like everyone else from town is I don't believe OS used different colors for different roles/characters, mina is blue also so it might be the same for all townies out there.

After re-reading your logic explanation many times Hilt I've came to a conclusion that it is too weak to follow, so I disagree. Although not liking to justify my stuff 100% with those color shenanigans there are still some interesting points to check.

About Rajam's claim, IIRC he was the one who claimed with the right color so IMO he's clean on the whole history. I believed he was town right after his claim, with all those bread crumbs, I knew the town color was blue (since I checked my role PM after the incident) and he started posted like a human being or/and scumhunting. The only thing/post that would bother me is this one from Rajam:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12611129&postcount=902

He says here that OS used, at least on the games he played, the blue color for townies so he MIGHT have known before this game started the color for Townies was blue, but, he didn't know if he used this color on all his games, OS could very well use whatever the color he felt like for townies and Rajam would be just assuming he was using blue this game and he turned out to be really lucky for getting it right. I hardly believe he went just lucky, he knew the color because he's town indeed.

And about Red Ryu, he just made a childish mistake on using the green color, I could call it a silly/negligent/lazy mistake but I don't RR's play very well to call it this. IMO his claim with the wrong color was just a little push forward into his lynch, his play was way too scummy and misleading, his lynch was almost inevitable, I felt bad about it because I believe he was town too after his claim, you can check my last posts on Day 1 to confirm this and reinforcing my opinion that those color shenanigans do not add too much for me.

This is the second time answering this I hope you get it clear otherwise I'm open to explain any doubts you have.

 

[Padô]

Well, that's not entirely true. I've concluded that Mario is probably a trustworthy character, and that the others require skepticism, but I doubt we'll see them as a claim. There's so many safe claims if Toadafsky is a real role, because it shows OS is willing to put in the most insignificant characters.

I agree with Mario being trustworthy and I would put Peach in the mix also, it's hard to believe that if Mario is town Peach wouldn't be.

 

[Omni]

Still don't trust Rajam. Still making inaccurate statements about my play regarding "useless" players and they're not even at all important.

unvote

Raziek, kinda trust you the most at the moment so I really want to hear your new Day 2 scumpicks.

@Shaya: -_- @ Rajam and I being scumbuddies. Unless you think I'd want to insta-bus him since Day 1.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Pado, how do you know that mafia did not know town's color? The only way I would be leaning towards this being the case is if RR, who gave the wrong color, was mafia. This would create a situation where, most likely, he didn't know the color at all because mafia didn't know it. This would mean that since Rajam did know it, unlike mafia, he would be town. Wifom included, of course. How do you know that Rajam did not know the color through information OS gave scum one way or another (whether it being "the town color is _____" or coloring safe claims, or giving claims in role form with the color on the role, or hell, even them saying "what's the deal, OS, where's the role PM?" and him responding with town's color as such)?

Are you certain that mafia was not given town's color from OS?

 

[Rajam]

Hilt what do you think of the interaction T-block <-> Zigsta I quoted some posts ago?

 

[Rajam]

oh and also Hilt, which are our scum picks? Haven't heard them toDay, not even in your #1269

 

[UTDZac]

@Pado, in your #1261 you explain you reasoning behind why you think Rajam is town. You don't mention anything about town color. Then in your #1290 you say "About Rajam's claim, IIRC he was the one who claimed with the right color so IMO he's clean on the whole history." What did you mean by this exactly?

Also, did you completely skip over my #1253?

 

[Padô]

Pado, how do you know that mafia did not know town's color? The only way I would be leaning towards this being the case is if RR, who gave the wrong color, was mafia. This would create a situation where, most likely, he didn't know the color at all because mafia didn't know it. This would mean that since Rajam did know it, unlike mafia, he would be town. Wifom included, of course. How do you know that Rajam did not know the color through information OS gave scum one way or another (whether it being "the town color is _____" or coloring safe claims, or giving claims in role form with the color on the role, or hell, even them saying "what's the deal, OS, where's the role PM?" and him responding with town's color as such)?

Are you certain that mafia was not given town's color from OS?

I have no idea if they received the color for town claims. I never played a game where the host gave the town role colors to mafia, DNM and BBRM, on DNM I was Mafia and Praxis only gave us the safe-claims and on BBRM no idea since I was town, and on this game, I have no idea also, TBH you brought up a good point, haven't thought this way, nevertheless I believe he's still town.

 

[Padô]

@Pado, in your #1261 you explain you reasoning behind why you think Rajam is town. You don't mention anything about town color. Then in your #1290 you say "About Rajam's claim, IIRC he was the one who claimed with the right color so IMO he's clean on the whole history." What did you mean by this exactly?

Also, did you completely skip over my #1253?

He claimed with the Dark Blue color which is the townies color. That's what I said, let me check you questions UTD I'll brb in a minute.

 

[Padô]

Zac,

@#1253

You CANNOT use this color thing to clear anybody. Non-town players have to know what the town color is (since OS uses colors). Why? Because there is no Sample Role PM. If town didn't know the color, then Day 1 we could have had all of the players breadcrumb the town color. It's possible to break the system this way, I can't imagine OS "failing" like this. I've seen his previous games in DGames, and he does use a Sample Role PM.

What? Sorry. I can't understand the sentence in bold. You started talking about "non-town must know towns color" and then you switch saying "if town didn't know the color...", this post is either a mess or my english is really that bad.

What color are you talking about? If town didn't know what color? You might wanna rephrase this?

 

[UTDZac]

Whoops my bad. I should read as this:

If non-town didn't know the town color, then Day 1 we could have had all of the players breadcrumb the town color.

 

[Padô]

Why would all players do this? As a Town Player I would never breadcrumb my role color at Day1 If I knew there wasn't a role PM and unsure about Mafia knowing towns color (this game's case), it's just too risky and you would give Mafia some town information they could only obtain at Day2.

And why would we breadcrumb town colors instead of roles itself, like Rajam did?

 

[Omni]

i was about to say

why the hell would i breadcrumb my role color

 

[Padô]

i was about to say

why the hell would i breadcrumb my role color

this

10ofthis

 

[Padô]

lol, not even scum players should breadcrumb their role colors on day1 or any day.

 

[UTDZac]

Why would all players do this? As a Town Player I would never breadcrumb my role color at Day1 If I knew there wasn't a role PM and unsure about Mafia knowing towns color (this game's case), it's just too risky and you would give Mafia some town information they could only obtain at Day2.

And why would we breadcrumb town colors instead of roles itself, like Rajam did?

You're thinking too straightforward. By breadcrumb I did not mean "Spell out your color using the first letter in each sentence."

Let's take a step back, shall we. Imagine a game where there is no sample role PM and mafia does NOT know the town color (and town actually has a color). Let's also assume that it is possible (though we aren't sure how) that town is able to post during Day 1 and hide their town color. When mafia try to do this, they won't be able to (obviously). Then when we all reveal, it will be obvious who is town and who is mafia. AGAIN, you don't have to know how this is done, just know that it's possible... ok?

See how this is game breaking?

 

[UTDZac]

EDWOP: As a Computer Science major who programs a buttload, I think more in terms of "I know it's possible to code this, I just don't know how yet." Knowing something is possible is powerful, even if you aren't quite sure how to do it.

 

[Tin Man]

Omni and Rajam both assumed that the information was
"if one of those people who claim Bowser, Peach, Geno, Mallow? (the cloud guy) then the rest are confirmed town".

This is what I was referring to on whether or not anyone else had a similar interpretation. What do you feel about two players coming to that conclusion while no one else seemed to?
Skimming flag raised.

EBWOP:

"if one of those people who claim Bowser, Peach, Geno, Mallow? (the cloud guy) [are scum] then the rest are confirmed town".

It seems reasonable. IIRC. Red Ryu said that one of the others is not who they seem. So that suggests that only 1 of them would be scum, making the rest confirmed town.

I believe those people that didn't seem to come to this conclusion simply may not have thought of it this way, or put much effort into deciphering Red Ryu's message.

@UTDZac: You said/believe that town coulda outed all the Mafia members day 1 if Mafia didn't know the town colour. How is that possible exactly? I mean people can only post 1 at a time. Do you have a method in mind?

 

[UTDZac]

Tin Man, read my #1305 and #1306 again.

 

[Omni]

you'd have to look for it to breadcrumb utd. did u honestly realize that there was no role PM before the issue was brought up

I think we all confirmed we could break the game cuz of it

 

[UTDZac]

I did notice it during my re-read of the rules (mentioned way back when), but I didn't think anything of it at the time. I'm just saying, in this game it turned out we didn't break the game, but it was possible we could have (assuming non-town players do not know the town color).

From my understanding, some people are till trying to use the "color" issue as an argument on why certain players are scummy or whatever.

 

[Krystedez]

Coasting Town/Scum List of Gold:
I'm feeling a Krys wagon based on inactivity. His play doesn't seem much different to BBRM. I'm giving credit to Omni due to his day 1, but if people weren't being useless I'd probably be pursuing it harder. I've changed my mind about waiting for some things because I'd prob be waiting until the end of time.

Vote: Krys

Here's some loaded question for you,
How do you contrast your play from BBRM where you were scum to this game in which your play is similar?
Who is scum?

I'm keeping up with this game too even though my university workload is growing exponentially in the last 3-4 weeks of my semester.

Just take note that day 2 started on page 31 (40pp) while we're only up to the beginning of 33.

I understand your pressure on me, I've been pretty useless ... I just finished exams Wendesday, came home Thursday night, and I'm hanging with my friend now. I'll do a reread later tonight to give you a better answer to the last question since it's the most relevant.

Comparing to BBRM, I was just learning how to pretend to scum-hunt, being's how I was scum myself (and a goon at that, no special power besides priming) Now that I'm on the opposite side of the fence, I feel like I'm not used to finding discrepancies, or what to look for to find scum. I could just say "well, so-and-so feels scummy to me" but I don't know how to back it up without doing a good re-read or anything. Now that I'm out of school, I hope to not only improve my play but help us win this.

In BBRM, I had someone to rely on, and I was looking for advice and sorta trying to blend in, since I was new (which helped me stay alive according to Pierce) This time, I THOUGHT I was sorta trying to make my own style of scum-hunting. Day 1 was pretty messy though.

Which, directing the questions to you momentarily, is why I wonder why you think my play is the same... What parts of my play is especially similar to you, to make you think I'm lynch worthy? And obviously, do you think I'm scum?

Sorry to all for my inactiveness. I'll be on later tonight for sure.

 

[Rajam]

This game needs more votes

Zac, Krystedez: who do you think is most likely to be T-block's partner(s)?

 

[Rajam]

k this Day is going slow because of the lack of votes and wagons and town pointing in super different directions. I'll take a twist in my usual I-work-alone-gameplay and based on my re-reads of Day 1, I'll try to join with some of my town reads

So far my town reads are:
Krystedez
Raziek
Zigsta/Tin Man

Based as well on Day 1, I'm willing to believe Omni is not mafia alligned.

@Raziek & Omni: Who is the play?

@Krytedez & Tin Man: Sorry I know you're town but I'm not confident in your reads as much as Omni's and Raziek's reads. If you want to jump and join our votes it's fine though, I don't really care.

Back @Raziek & Omni: If toDay the lynch candidates were reduced to Shaya & Padô, would you be "happy"? who would you pick?

Finally... (super 180° twist warning):

@Raziek & Omni (and Tin Man & Krystedez):

¿

?​

Also:

Null:
Hilt
UTDZac

scummy:
Pierce7d
Padô
Shaya

 

[Rajam]

@Pierce: When Krystedez was scum in BBRM, was he bus'ing his scum partners?

@UTDZac: Leave the color issue aside. Based on what you got from T-block, who is scum?

 

[Krystedez]

My sentiments are similar to yours Rajam.

• I've felt that Omni has been town the entire game nearly.
  
• Chibo was a major townie pick before he died (town got on both of us for being flavorful, and not helping catch scum, but look what happens the flavor flav turned sour and we lost chibo )
  
• But as far as nulls/scum, Pierce jumping on me a couple times already this game, and also him hoping I'd keep my "read" on Chibo for "trying to inspire me specfically to talk flavor"...
  
• T-block weirded me out when he reiterated the whole "Yeah don't jump on Krys, I didn't want us to end the day so I asked someone to unvote and Krys did"... Other than that I felt he was null.
  
• As far as nulls go though, Hilt has been the biggest shadow for the entire game. Just switch your null of Raz with UTD, and you've basically got my list...

I feel so unsure about this, but I feel like these guys are scummy in a nutshell:

Pierce: Play has seemed "forced", he could very well just play that way, but I don't know. He jumped on me and Chibo I think about flavor talk first (which is fine but given the circumstances it isn't too farfetched to connect the dots of Chibo's death to something like this.)

Pado: His play just seems really interesting, to say the least. I'd peg him as a null, but I think he's playing too slyly and confusingly to make me think he's close to town material at this point. I need to go back and reread his stances to really be firm on him though.

Shaya: I'd rather wait for his response to my own about his reaction to my "similar" play as he calls it to BBRM.

Rajam: You still scary. But I feel like you've been playing much better lately. (shrugs)... I just find it funny that I had this whole conspiracy thing in my head about you and RR day 1 it's hard to let it go ! XD! At least we're not lynching you toDay. (and before anyone says "says who?", I say so. At least I'm not voting Rajam up, that is all.)

With that said, I'm putting my

Vote: Pierce

@Pierce: I'd like to hear:

-your sentiments about Chibo's flavor talk beginning yesterDay? (involving me in this question is fine too)
-your opinion of Rajam and Shaya's picks?
-what you think of Hilt's shadowyness?
-how town is Omni's play to you?

 

[Krystedez]

And while I'm here:

UTDZ, can you bring up exactly what you wanted me to answer? your question seemed hard to answer "What is my resolution on Tin Man"?...

All I remember is that I was saying you were weird for thinking he was town without any input, then said that you explained why you said that (typo? misread? something...)

All in all, it isn't important to me now. You seem less null than Raz to me at this point, but I don't know. Sorry if I'm being confusing here.

 

[UTDZac]

I was more concerned that you thought I thought Tin Man was town, but never realized I took it back. You didn't mentioned that. That's what I was concerned about.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Not expecting to be able to make a post before Sunday. Just a heads up.

 

[Pierce7d]

@Pierce: When Krystedez was scum in BBRM, was he bus'ing his scum partners?

@UTDZac: Leave the color issue aside. Based on what you got from T-block, who is scum?

Not to my memory he wasn't, but that game is hazy because I replaced in, and then it was 99% inactivity from almost everyone but him after that, so I really couldn't get any solid reads in that game.

[*]But as far as nulls/scum, Pierce jumping on me a couple times already this game, and also him hoping I'd keep my "read" on Chibo for "trying to inspire me specfically to talk flavor"...

Please elaborate how I thought you were going to "keep your read on Chibo" What does this mean? If anything, I was glad that you were attempting to make reads/scum hunt. I thought Chibo was town. -_-

[*]As far as nulls go though, Hilt has been the biggest shadow for the entire game. Just switch your null of Raz with UTD, and you've basically got my list...
[/LIST]

Oh, sick, I totally like, just said that before -_-

I feel so unsure about this, but I feel like these guys are scummy in a nutshell:

Pierce: Play has seemed "forced", he could very well just play that way, but I don't know. He jumped on me and Chibo I think about flavor talk first (which is fine but given the circumstances it isn't too farfetched to connect the dots of Chibo's death to something like this.)

So, what does this mean, and why is this scummy? I dropped the Chibo flavor case after he gave a pretty good explanation for it. I stayed on your case about flavor, because you were still talking about flavor -_-. You yourself said that you were trying to learn how to improve your play. Wouldn't it be more suspicious if I completely disregarded flavor talk?

With that said, I'm putting my

Vote: Pierce

@Pierce: I'd like to hear:

-your sentiments about Chibo's flavor talk beginning yesterDay? (involving me in this question is fine too)
-your opinion of Rajam and Shaya's picks?
-what you think of Hilt's shadowyness?
-how town is Omni's play to you?

Aren't these all things I already have clear stances on?

I don't think Rajam is scum
I think Shaya was way too inactive day one, and is far too coasty, but it shaping up today. Null leaning scum.
Aren't I voting Hilt?
Didn't I say that I have a null on Omni, and I'm having a difficult time reading him?

 

[Pierce7d]

I don't mind being pressured, but you just seem like you're asking questions just to ask stuff. What do you not like about my play? What do you find suspicious and why?