Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[Rajam]

Finished catching up. I feel tin man is scum, not because of inactivity, but for other reasons. Will post complete thoughts tomorrow morning.

No more excuses. Give away all your reads. Conclusions from your catch-up? Why is Tin Man scum?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I'll respond to your questions and decide on where I'm going to put my vote when I get back from church.

 

[Rajam]

ok after reading D1 a little more + recent events, I don't think Pierce is scum either, so drop him off my scum list. My highest 2 scumpicks, Shaya and Padô, are willing to lynch him. Could be a bus, but with T-block already dead and being so close to deadline, these votes are highly likely with the intention of lynching Pierce more than anything; also Pierce not doing anything so close to deadline only makes him more close to get dead, and I believe scum would've already told him to do something.

As I said, there's also D1, with this interaction:

#382:

Pierce, the question was thoughts on Pado, and whether a scum RR flip would make you think of scum Pado =P

#383:

At the moment, I don't feel like RR or Pado are significantly connected.

Why would T-block make Pierce speculate with that question knowing RR wasn't scum?
I think, that if Pierce is T-block's scummate, he would've "parroted" that answer a lot more, but instead Pierce threw a simple statement, not wishy-washy on the slightest, and not "throwing garbage" or something similar to either RR or Padô

---

Omni what do you think of this?
What T-block's question (in 382, quoted above) makes you think about Padô?

 

[BarDulL]

not going to commit to anything yet, but during my reread so far (page 40 out of 91), i'm not really liking pierce. posts a lot of fluff, no real content, jumps on easy bandwagons (rr/rajam) and doesn't really start anything himself. scum riding coat tails imo. t-block and pierce seemed a little too buddy-buddy on D1 and their interaction seemed forced. never really attacked each other or brought pressure onto each other. gonna have to read more to verify this though.

on another note, he also had t-block listed as town on his "town/scum list" that he posted earlier in D1, which, btw, posting the list seemed to me like he was forcefully trying to contribute something to look townie. how can you have so many reads earlier in the day though? wat.

 

[BarDulL]

not to seem like i'm jumping on an easy wagon (i actually wasn't aware that there was a wagon in the making already), but i'll provide a full case later once i've done a full read.

 

[Rajam]

More on Padô:

#384:

Vote count:

Hilt - UTDZac,
Rajam - Zigsta, ChiboSempai, Omni, Shaya, Pado, Red Ryu,
UTD Zac- Pierce,

Note Voting: Krystedez, Hilt, T-block, Rajam, Raziek,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

#385:

Wow, Rajam is at L-1

-_-

#387:

Does anyone want me to hammer?

#389:

Nobody hammers until Rajam is back to defend himself some, we still have 9 days, lmao.

I'd prefer Red Ryu or Pado hammers, personally. I'd rather scummy players hammer than obvious Town.

#391:

...and you think Pado is scummy? When did that happen? I can't find a post where you mention that anywhere. I only see this...

You clearly haven't played with Pado before. He plays this way as both Town and Scum, it's not a tell for him. It's just how his thought process filters out.

It doesn't make him scum, and while filtering out "difficult to read" players isn't necessarily a bad thing, I'd rather we hunt ACTUAL scum.

T-blocks being defensive on Padô. He even took the time to look where Raziek called him scum

 

[BarDulL]

ok, read up to 60, and i feel really good about rajam. t-block's earlier attempt to continue pushing for a rajam lynch after rajam claimed seals the deal for me, so yea i'm content with holding hands with you rajam.

pierce is looking better in my book, but get more active plz (since apparently you are getting voted for inactivity.)

 

[Rajam]

ok cool but we're 10 and we need 6 votes to make a lynch

Rajam, BarDulL, Krystedez + maybe...
Tin Man, Pierce... Padô? (lol)

=> Shaya wagon

Or a 2nd cool option would be...

Rajam, BarDulL, Krystedez + maybe...
Tin Man, Pierce... Shaya (

)

=> Padô wagon

whoever jumps first wins

If not, I call a Zac wagon and move on, since no one should disagree on him but the same Zac. But that will be the backup wagon 'cause I'd really like a Shaya or Padô wagon as 1st option since one of them will flip scum

Omni isn't doing anything but we'll lynch him toMorrow because indies aren't priority for now. Omni be useful and pick a wagon and join

Hilt do you want to join any of those wagons?

Zac your only chance to survive toDay is to come quickly and help me lynch Shaya or Padô, but previously you must post what you got from your read and who do you think is scum

k go go go

 

[Tin Man]

You're pulling at straws.
Just about every other person in this game considered your reaction at that time OMGUS. Just because you say it wasn't it... wasn't? Lol.

Oh and that one liner was a bit of a joke.

I've already stated my opinion of what's happened today. Conveniently ignoring it so you can push a vote of me because... You're lazy? You can't admit you OMGUS'd?

Did I say Tin Man was scum?
How do you feel about Tin Man's last few posts? He admitted to being useless. He admitted to not knowing how to not be useless. He's... what is he Rajam?

Yeah I can't do much but apologize. What can I say. I'm not quite experienced in this game and there are few leads I can go off of on my own. Rajam. Would you be able to summarize your shaya and Pado wagons for me?

 

[Tin Man]

I'd also like UTD zac to explain to me why he feels I am scum. Hopefully he's on tonight or I won't be able to catch it with work in the morning.

 

[Shaya]

I don't think Pierce is scum either, so drop him off my scum list. My highest 2 scumpicks, Shaya and Padô, are willing to lynch him.

Stop being an idiot.
I do not have a vote on pierce, nor have I ever voted Pierce. Nor have I said I would prefer him to die today over others. He's inactive. But was more so than Tin Man and Raziek.

 

[Shaya]

EBWOP: But was less so than Tin Man and Raziek.

 

[BarDulL]

lol mad

idk enough about shaya since he was so god damn inactive earlier in d1 (still at page 60), but pado is awfully suspicious to me. he was unusually skeptical regarding RR being scum despite the compelling evidence that was on the table at the time. my read on pado is that he was trying to come off as town in the event RR flipped (since he knew RR was town despite RR's many **** ups, i.e. the color issue.) this would allow him to paint the image in our minds that he was innocent town putting a vote on RR. however, everything about RR screamed anti-town up to that point, so pado's skepticism really doesn't make sense whatsoever if he was town.

i tried pulling this stunt in FF4 mafia with rajam when i said "i don't think rajam is scum" when rajam was in a position to get lynched as presumed scum (he was actually town though). ultimately i felt it would make me look more town (i was scum), but it ended up setting up a wifom scenario since scum would know whether or not rajam was town or scum anyway.

pado is kind of useless in general and hard to get a read on.

gah damnit.

what's the case on shaya?

 

[Rajam]

Yeah I can't do much but apologize. What can I say. I'm not quite experienced in this game and there are few leads I can go off of on my own. Rajam. Would you be able to summarize your shaya and Pado wagons for me?

Shaya:

Pressured/wanted dead: me, RR, Chibo. Lately Pierce too. toDay has attacked my town reads: you and Krystedez. Barely any interaction with T-block D1. Pretty much what I said in my #1211 and then in my #1339 still stands

Padô:

Horrible reasons for making cases, wagon jumping early D2, T-block defended him/had "weird" interaction with him several times early D1. Some quotes of that are my #1216, #1256 and #1257, and #1366. Whole page 10 with 40 ppp is quite interesting as well.

 

[Rajam]

Stop being an idiot.
I do not have a vote on pierce, nor have I ever voted Pierce. Nor have I said I would prefer him to die today over others. He's inactive. But was more so than Tin Man and Raziek.

oops, my bad. Confused with Omni's vote on Pierce

Shaya:

Pressured/wanted dead: me, RR, Chibo. Lately Pierce too. toDay has attacked my town reads: you and Krystedez. Barely any interaction with T-block D1. Pretty much what I said in my #1211 and then in my #1339 still stands

Padô:

Horrible reasons for making cases, wagon jumping early D2, T-block defended him/had "weird" interaction with him several times early D1. Some quotes of that are my #1216, #1256 and #1257, and #1366. Whole page 10 with 40 ppp is quite interesting as well.

 

[Shaya]

I'm going to rage quit at Rajam putting words in my mouth/twisting the truth in nearly every accusation as of late.

 

[Rajam]

BarDulL, Padô then?

 

[Rajam]

unvote
vote: Padô

 

[BarDulL]

hmmm looks like deadline is around the corner, and something tells me shaya will be more useful to have than pado in the future, so yeah.

ALL ABOARD THE PADO WAGON!

 

[BarDulL]

oh yeah, almost forgot

vote: Padô

 

[DtJ Hilt]

PAUSE: Note how in 351 T-block adds unnecesary pressure on Krys by joining Pierce's question. idk if scum would do that to a scum partner

I can agree to this. Doesn't seem like something scum would do to their partner. I do not, however, understand your reasoning for finding Tin Man as town. Could you lay down a summary for it? As little he's done during the duration of the game, I would be completely fine lyching him during the early game. He hasn't, and most likely won't, do anything that will give a town or scum read, and if that's the case, I would rather not allow him to live on into the endgame.

As for your opinion on Krystedez, I can see where you're coming from. While Krys' play has bothered me, I don't think lynching him is the best option. Pierce's play I don't like. He has been in a sense, like me, a shadow. Pierce, question. Am I the play? You've left your vote on me for the entirety of the day, and haven't really... done much with it. Was it merely a pressure vote? Pushing me to be more active? Well, if that's the case, and you don't think I should be lynched, who do you want the play to be? If it's not the case, and you do want me dead today, start convincing town.

I'm going to be honest. With the lack of actual activity we've seen, I'm not having much of any strong scum reads. I can say that Tin Man and Pierce are two who's lynch I would be fine with at the moment, based on what else I've said in this post. Haven't gotten around to my Shaya reread, but I haven't forgotten. Still have some more double checking to do before I give a final opinion.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Haha, alright. Pado reread first, I suppose.

 

[Tin Man]

I was gonna say that based on the summaries given. Pado would seem to be more scummy since he had more interaction with T-Block. A supportive interaction between the two, and that seems to be the defining factor in this. From what you said, it doesn't seem like Shaya had a lot of supportive interaction with T-Block (although perhaps i'm not reading thoroughly enough).

 

[Tin Man]

vote: Padô

 

[DtJ Hilt]

What do people (whoever's on atm) think about a UTD lynch? I'm not sure how I feel about the Pado wagon.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I do, however, like the point brought out about T-Block defending Pado. It was unnecessary and out of place. Also found this:

Wow... Raziek vs. Red Ryu is the funniest thing around this game, seriously.

BTW, Lynching RR seem to be town consensus can someone hammer him already before the day ends? I could do it I just need you guys to tell me if yes or not.

Going along with town consensus easily when I don't remember him having much of an opinion on RR through D1.

 

[Shaya]

Echoing what Hilt says about Tin Man (was about to type something similar but LIVE TOPIC HAX).

As I've asked Rajam, even though he believes Tin is town, what is the merit of keeping a useless player who admits to being useless? >.>

On pado... I suppose he isn't the worst wagon option, but I have to agree that trying to get reads on the guy hurts the brain. I'm not even sure of the purpose of him asking what I felt about T-Block's Krys interaction specifically.

Also re-reading Rajam's last linked post on me.

I don't understand this, neither your point there. Could you rephrase and explain again?

Didn't realise I did not reply to this. Explain that whole paragraph? It's me giving a hint to the guy on how to play. While it's all WIFOM, what is the relevance of T-Block accusing Omni/Krys of being scum? Do you think both would be town and T-Block was just playing on the reserved "I'm looking towny while not doing much" or what?
In other words, I felt there was significance in T-Block's accusations. WHILE you later on brought up that long conversation that shows it being less likely of SvS, how does that make you feel about Omni then?
Bad habits of scum are often to poke accusations at each other, nothing too concrete but you know the whole infamous "FoS: scum buddy", without being as obvious.

Following on I gave Krys a hint in how to play by saying "let's just assume you're confirmed town". His awkward reply is still making me think he's possibly independent.

T-Block > Omni/Krys
Rajam > Omni/T-Block/Pierce/Myself (the anti-wagon)
Rajam > Omni (both misconstruing RR's information claim)

 

[Shaya]

I would dislike it if Zac did not post his complete thoughts on Tin Man very very very soon.

 

[Rajam]

I can agree to this. Doesn't seem like something scum would do to their partner. I do not, however, understand your reasoning for finding Tin Man as town. Could you lay down a summary for it? As little he's done during the duration of the game, I would be completely fine lyching him during the early game. He hasn't, and most likely won't, do anything that will give a town or scum read, and if that's the case, I would rather not allow him to live on into the endgame.

As for your opinion on Krystedez, I can see where you're coming from. While Krys' play has bothered me, I don't think lynching him is the best option. Pierce's play I don't like. He has been in a sense, like me, a shadow. Pierce, question. Am I the play? You've left your vote on me for the entirety of the day, and haven't really... done much with it. Was it merely a pressure vote? Pushing me to be more active? Well, if that's the case, and you don't think I should be lynched, who do you want the play to be? If it's not the case, and you do want me dead today, start convincing town.

I'm going to be honest. With the lack of actual activity we've seen, I'm not having much of any strong scum reads. I can say that Tin Man and Pierce are two who's lynch I would be fine with at the moment, based on what else I've said in this post. Haven't gotten around to my Shaya reread, but I haven't forgotten. Still have some more double checking to do before I give a final opinion.

On Tin Man:

I have:
#1256

Plus this, which I found recently:
#397:

Also I just realized, Zigsta has been flying somewhat under the radar, and just taking common stances.

Zigsta, do you believe Red Ryu's "gambit" was a good idea? Why or why not? What are your opinions on Krystedez and T-Block?

I think RR's "gambit" was a bad idea. I'm a big fan of Survivor, and the first rule of Survivor is don't give a bad first impression. The loud/obnoxious one is nearly always first to go, regardless of his intentions. RR's gotten a ton of heat for it, and catching heat so early in a game like this is a quick ticket to getting lynched. Same rules apply in Survivor.

As for Krys, I'm leaning more town right now. He seems genuinely upset about discussing flavors so much earlier today.

I also lean more on the town side for T-block, as he's not calling out people as scum without logical backing. He's asking a good bit of questions. But I must admit that one question threw me a bit: "If I turned out to be scum, would you still feel RR was scum?" (Something along those lines. Forgive me for not quoting it--rather difficult on my iPhone.) I found it a rather odd question for town to ask. Why paint the picture of you being scum in someone else's mind?

Underlined statement makes a disconnection imo

#401:

But I must admit that one question threw me a bit: "If I turned out to be scum, would you still feel RR was scum?" (Something along those lines. Forgive me for not quoting it--rather difficult on my iPhone.) I found it a rather odd question for town to ask. Why paint the picture of you being scum in someone else's mind?

I was trying to get a better idea of what you actually thought of the interaction between the two players (me and RR). This in turn offers insight into what you think of each player individually. Just so happens that one of those players was me, and you had already offered a stance on RR. I'm not really afraid of "painting a scum picture", since I will aim to show I'm town in other ways.

Also Pierce and Raziek, what are your thoughts on T-block?

I thought Pierce has already made his thoughts on me pretty clear?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions?...

#402:

Has he already said his thoughts on you? I must have just forgotten. I just wanted to ask because I'm getting a clear town vibe from both Pierce and Raziek.

 

[Rajam]

What do people (whoever's on atm) think about a UTD lynch? I'm not sure how I feel about the Pado wagon.

Zac wagon is good. I'll join if needed

but why not Padô?

 

[Overswarm]

Hilt - Pierce7D,
Pado - Rajam, BarDull, Tin Man
Tin Man - Shaya
Pierce - Omni, Pado


Not voting: UTDZac, Hilt, Krystedez,

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Wednesday, May 11th, at 3:00 p.m.

 

[Rajam]

Echoing what Hilt says about Tin Man (was about to type something similar but LIVE TOPIC HAX).

As I've asked Rajam, even though he believes Tin is town, what is the merit of keeping a useless player who admits to being useless? >.>

On pado... I suppose he isn't the worst wagon option, but I have to agree that trying to get reads on the guy hurts the brain. I'm not even sure of the purpose of him asking what I felt about T-Block's Krys interaction specifically.

Also re-reading Rajam's last linked post on me.



Didn't realise I did not reply to this. Explain that whole paragraph? It's me giving a hint to the guy on how to play. While it's all WIFOM, what is the relevance of T-Block accusing Omni/Krys of being scum? Do you think both would be town and T-Block was just playing on the reserved "I'm looking towny while not doing much" or what?
In other words, I felt there was significance in T-Block's accusations. WHILE you later on brought up that long conversation that shows it being less likely of SvS, how does that make you feel about Omni then?
Bad habits of scum are often to poke accusations at each other, nothing too concrete but you know the whole infamous "FoS: scum buddy", without being as obvious.

Following on I gave Krys a hint in how to play by saying "let's just assume you're confirmed town". His awkward reply is still making me think he's possibly independent.

T-Block > Omni/Krys
Rajam > Omni/T-Block/Pierce/Myself (the anti-wagon)
Rajam > Omni (both misconstruing RR's information claim)

He's not that useless... at least it's obviously not like me in CT lol where he gets to the point of being detrimental. If he can mimic town's vote then he's fine. If at some point he starts to go against everything, trying to work alone (again, like me in CT) then a lynch could be considered. He's not worth a lynch (yet at least) imo despite him being useless. Not at least with guys like UTDZac around who is 10x times more useless.

 

[BarDulL]

i like tinman atm tbh

where is everyone?

 

[BarDulL]

also, i think we can wait for utdzac's opinion on tinman tomorrow, right?

not to be intentionally leading town since i'm new to this game, but lets not twist and turn and not come to a conclusion before deadline. plz.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Not at least with guys like UTDZac around who is 10x times more useless.

Now this I can agree with.

As for Pado, referring to what Bardull said, I don't think that Pado's lack of usefulness is that much under Shaya as he makes it out to be. It's more so how he jumps onto wagons and makes cases (both of which I'm parroting Rajam). It's mostly a matter of how much I feel he would be able to contribute in later days. And I don't necessarily think he would be as useless as some make him out to be. He just has to be pushed more. So I'm having problems knowing where to go with Pado.

What I want to do is hear Omni's opinion on Pado/Shaya/UTD, hear Pierce's response to recent posts made toward him, and hear UTD's reasoning for what he said about Tin Man, and just more content from UTD in general after his reread, and perhaps a claim or two. But we don't have the time for that. I'd like to hear opinions on who people would like to claim. I don't want a lynch without one.

 

[BarDulL]

ninja'd by hilt.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I really want Pierce to post.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

What are you talking about, you ninja'd me LOL.

Twice!

 

[Shaya]

OK. After reading and Re-reading all the Rajam discussions and stuff around it, god... I feel BAD about the situation because everything we got from Rajam posts just gets dismissed by him saying "RVS, RVS, RVS...". We are not getting anything concrete from him right now, everything we can say about him is: He's useless so far, he missled town and created a ****load of WIFOM which makes discussion even more hard, specially on Day1 where we pretty much pull things out of no where.

I don't have a list about who's scummier or not so far everything I can write down is a USELESS/NOSENSE list:

Red Ryu
Rajam

Not saying everyone has contributed that much (not even me) but those 2 are the most noticeable ones that ****ed up towns start in the game. The bad thing about it is that we can't be sure they are Mafia so lynching them is not a 100% sure Mafia lynch but, it would still be good for town since we would kill missleading people. And, hell, how much time and posts have we spent on those 2 and figured out NOTHING? It's dumb to keep pressuring them, we should either lynch one of them right way or focus on other people like UTD Zac or whoever do we find out scummy.

I'm still not sure about unvoting Rajam, his answers to all questions didn't make me step back on the idea of lynching him, TBH I believe his answers were not convincing at all, but, at least he started to post like a damn human being.

About Red Ryu, I could easily switch my vote to him, a lot of people have stepped back on the idea but, I believe he took so much of towns time to figure out absolutely NOTHING which is pretty bad.

Following my thought process... I'm giving up on those two. I got enough from them to lynch them if we(town) believe it's worth it I'd still do it, but, from now on, I'll be focusing more on other players posts instead of losing my time and efforts with those two.

Why I'm telling all this you guys might ask yourselves? Well... I've been MIA for 5 days, I believe you guys might wanna know something from me since then, so I'm posting this.

I would call this the beginning of Part 2 of Pado's play. Prior to this he was exclusively talking about Red Ryu, MINOR (and I mean MINOR) inferences of Rajam.

Throughout all of his posts prior to this, there was a surplus of T-Block questions/interactions. The formula for his posts were "@Tblock ...[mmm... agree / reply to opinion] ... WHY RR WW"

However, from this post he starts moving on.
-

Hey Pierce,

Well, I'm worried about Shaya also, AFAIK the last time I played him he was playing kinda the same way but I didn't last long enough to tell stories, by the way he's a solid player it's definetely someone we have to lookout for specially if they are quiet enough;

Which makes me more worried about Shaya is that he didn't post too much so I can't get a precise read so far from him, i'll try to re-read all his posts when I get time.

About Krystedez, I'm sorry, I'll have juust to re-read your case against him, I've been focusing mainly on Rajam and RR for now but I believe I made clear my point about them so far.

I'll BRB with your answer on Krystedez.

A sudden move to talking to/about myself, Pierce and Krys.

^ This is what makes me worried about Rajam too. The stuff he said... IDK seems a little bit too obvious to be scum, even if you are new to Mafia games you can always be coached at the Mafia HQ (at least I was at the DNM) before posting like crazy out there.

mmm....

I feel like we are going for a not so good lynch, because we will, most likely, lynch town, dumb townies maybe but still town...

Am I the only one who feels both Rajam and RR claims were legit?

About RR's claim color being green this was hella dumb since town's color is blue LOL. But I believe he didn't check the role PM before posting... If I was claiming without looking at it I'd most likely put it in green also.

This is how he ended his day, pretty much.

Wow, what a turn of events... I guess now it's time to search for T-Blocks posts and check if I can make any associations/links with other players.

I'll brb when I figure something out or not.

Funny because a majority of his early day posts were conversation between him and T-Block. He still never really expanded on this. Especially how other than Rajam/RR his only early game scum picks were Krys/Omni.

And I hope Rajam has got a song note right.

Interesting to point out. It's almost like people assuming it's scum when someone says "no nightkill? congrats to the doctor". Just odd and fluff. I pointed out uber fluff from him in day 1 too.

I made this salvo because I was bringing back T-Blocks side into play once again (which was forgotten during the rest of the Day), IIRC I was the only one who suspected he could be Mafia at the start of the game because of that incident with RR, it wasn't as I expected (RR and T-Block scummates) but he was scum.

:| FoS scum buddy with something that nearly everyone who replied came back with "lolwhat?" as something defensive.


I honestly don't know what to think of Pado... Trying to read him is a chore. He's been in two games, one of which he was coached like hell to do something specific as scum, the other he was town and was pressured a bit then [day] killed. It's hard to meta him. It's hard to understand his conclusions.

 

[Shaya]

Btw, I wanted to ask you this Rajam.

Why do you think I wagon'd you day one?