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My question that you're not answering clearly is why do his actions make him scum?
You're telling me that you do not like his actions; you are not telling me why his actions make him scum.
I do personally find his actions scummy for the reasons stated above. His attitude is scummy to me, and him claiming in the wrong town colour is scummy to me and the fact that he would vote for himself twice is scummy to me. Is it not satisfactory for you to hear that he gave me a scummy impression?Tin Man, do you personally find RR's actions to be scummy? That is, do you think he is scum and if so why?
Technically I explained why in my #762.
Oh you mean this,
This is not a case, this is speculation at best.I think Red Ryu is scum mostly because of his role. I think it's more likely that mafia would have an informative goon than town would have an informative townie. Even if he's not an informative role, it's an easy safe claim. You can't prove the part about Mario being in the game, and no one can disprove "Bowyer" not existing (cause RR is bowyer). He probably actually knows the Frogfucius man isn't in the game, hence his safeclaim The other small reason that drew my attention to him is the silly color crap.
@T-block, I figured he was referring to rule 7a in the OP.
What have I done that is scummy? What makes me scum? Your speculating a role, that is all you did here, nothing that says I am scum.
Most of your posts after your "return" had better content, but I don't buy that your town at all.Can you answer my question regarding specifics now?
Look at any of your past 5 posts, you posted some, key word some, content.
And I feel the same about you.Most of your posts after your "return" had better content, but I don't buy that your town at all.
Look at any of your past 5 posts, you posted some, key word some, content.
O rly?And I feel the same about you.
I already explained the Tin Man issue. I misread and made a post clarifying my mistake way back when.Your content has been some reads which many people point out was BS to call Tin Man town, which based on his recent posting is making me lean him on being scum at this point.
Skimming - Uh what?Face it, you've been skimming, question dodging, and inactive as hell when it sounds like you had plenty of time to do other things which you ignored this game.
Ride on Omni? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.Ryu, where the hell do you get off calling Zac scum?
You haven't done anything except ride Omni's case on Zac in a desperate attempt to save yourself.
I don't see how his inability to keep his cool portrays him as being scummy.
The reason why I am asking is because you're not being very clear. Originally, you posted that you simply didn't like some of the things he was doing. And even to this point you are not telling me WHY his actions portray him as scum. You are simply taking an action from RR and saying it is scummy.
It does not satisfy me to hear: "His attitude is scummy to me,". Not in the least bit. You are not answering the "why" to any of those.
Well this pretty much answers the self vote question. I think the colour issue is self explanatory.Allow me to help:
Tin Man, what Omni is saying is that a Town player might also take actions you don't like. Can you be more specific about which actions he takes give you a scum tell and why? Can you clarify why these actions suggest that he is part of a different faction?
For example: "He voted for himself" is not specific, though it is an anti-town action if he is town. No player benefits from voting themselves, so it's typically a null tell.
"He voted for himself and I felt that this was a subtle AtE to try and save himself last minute. Also, he didn't take the opportunity to lynch himself when he had it, so he's not really trying to get lynched, he's just trying to trick us, make us not vote him, add WIFOM, and confuse town. I think is a desperate play to keep himself alive by making us second guess our lynch, when he's on his last legs. I find this scummy." This is the type of response Omni is looking for. Explain how the actions that he took that you don't like suggest to you that the player in question is scum, and not simply bad.
This action makes it seem that Red Ryu is taking any possible excuse just to get Rajam lynched. This was around the time when Rajam was receiving some pressure from Pierce and didn't exactly answer in a manner Pierce would have liked. Comparing Pierce's criticism to Rajam's reply with Red Ryu's criticism, It seems rather fishy that Red Ryu had to jump in at all in an attempt to force a lynch on Rajam. I'm confused as to why he jumped in so quickly. Did he just want to get people to get rid of Rajam before they had a chance to get rid of himself? Did the pressure of having 2 votes on him make him act this way?He's making up bull**** on the spot and being uncooperative, lynch him!
I don't believe you answered me on this.I'm curious, will this ever change? Will you ever reconsider your position on UTD Zack?I want you dead because you exhibited the most amount of inactivity Day 1.
This could possibly be an OMGUS directed at me.Your content has been some reads which many people point out was BS to call Tin Man town, which based on his recent posting is making me lean him on being scum at this point.
Short version of claim, as noted, color was wrong.Frogfucius (Wise townie)
I know info about the set-up, that is my only ability.
Attempted re-direction onto Rajam, who clearly had the correct color.Don't blame me if my role is basic and has little content and is only info.
There is nothing more I can say about my role other than what I just said.
Wait a second, there is no sample role PM in this game, why did you post your color in blue? That's not the town color.
Pointing fingers at Hilt, and the other likely lynch target, Rajam. Now pointing fingers at Krystedez for the craziest reason I've seen so far? The man likes the character, he never INSISTED he was in the game.You know, Hilt really wants to shove a lynch down pretty fast, wonder why he is so sure I should die over Rajam or even if either of us should die, deadline is April 29th. Raziek bought it immediately, which is interesting to note.
Well I see it as this, Rajam is scum with a BS claim or he is town, I think with a role that odd he is town. So,
Unvote
With that said, Vote: Krystedez
Going with his insistence that Bowyer was in this game earlier as a scum slip along with the rest of his play.
Note: Disliking me for analyzing the claims. Again, pointing fingers at Krystedez, Pierce, UTDZac.So, I'm at L-2 right now.
Ok, might as well do reads again.
1) Rajam - Null, I want to see where his role could go and it's not unplausable considering the person in question. If he is scum, I think coming up with a fake claim like this is way too complicated to be scum.
2) Raziek - leaning town, his immediate change based on roles is absolutely dumb. That's like saying kill the claimed VT because the other claimed cop. People quick to jump ship is rather odd at this point but I don't hold that enough to say he is scum.
3) UTDZac - Scum, his quick chime in and lack of content really irritates me. I'm tempted to lynch him based on activity and bandwagon attitude.
4) ChiboSempai - Null, Chibo has somethings that do irk me at points with his posting but I don't think this is scum for him.
5) Krystedez - Scum, Still don't buy that Bowyer was an accident, especially when I was told he isn't in this game. Contemplating a person whom I was told wasn't in this game is way too much of a coincidence.
6) Red Ryu - Cricket Pies.
7) Tin Man - More content plz.
8) T-block - Town, I don't see anything truely scummy about him.
9) Omni - Town, I do think he is whiling to listen and look at things from multiple angles. I feel better about him as this game has gone on.
10) Pierce - Scum I feel like he's still letting others get the true content out there and staying with fluffy posts to look town.
11) Pado - Town, my Rebecca stuff still holds true here with his reactions to me.
12) Hilt - Null, still don't feel comfortable with him, he's trying to make some posts and says events exaggerated to fit his way.
13) Shaya - Null, I do like his gigantic posts recently, I want to see more of this.
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@Kry: No this is too similar to what my role was told. Your the only players who mentioned him being in this game based on what I was told.
@Everyone: Get your votes off Rajam and I, this is Town vs Town, mislynches are bad even on D1.
Go for a better lynch like UTD or Kryz.
Self-vote/10unvote
Vote: Red Ryu
K, if it's what town wants.
T-Block hammer me so my information is proven true from my flip, it'll do town better than be sticking around.
Lynch me already.
There is no point anymore, just let the mislynch happen to confirm my info.
Giving up?I tried doing a Chibo,
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Apathy at its finest.Unvote
whatever.
Noted for possible Pierce-Ryu connection later, though seems unlikely to me.Red Ryu, if you are town, why not spend your resources trying to actually scum hunt? I know it's day one, but at least investigate hunches, make connections between people, put more information for town to use into the air.
I mean, hell, you think I'm scum, so why haven't you built a case on me yet? All you've said is, "your posts have no content" as if I was supposed to come out and be like, "OMG, player X is scum, I figured it out day one, here's why!"
I've done a reasonable amount of scum hunting, and have posted quite a bit, I have not lurked, I have answered all questions towards me in a satisfactory manner, and I have asked questions of my own, of try and produce information that I can use later. I have not confused town drastically, and I actually breadcrumb my role instead of pulling up a simple one that's indefensible, after acting very strangely.
Also, I do not despair when I'm under pressure. Why don't you try playing like a townie, if you're really town? You think I'm scum, make a case on me consisting more of, "You're make Monster posts to appear Town but you're just hiding and produce no real content. I think you're scum."
@T-Block, I agree, which is why I'm not moving my vote yet to put RR at L-1. However, I think it's silly for people to UNVOTE. They could just make it really obvious when a player is at L-1.
Finally doing something.I'm gonna make something about UTD in a sec.
Hey, your first post with content! Which is... virtually entirely based on inactivity. Inactivity that has since been corrected. So... why are we discussing lynching Zac still?Of the 20 pages I have viewed in this game UTDZac has a grand total of 15 posts. 4 of them being RvS, so lets look at what he did post that wasn't RvS.
The game starts and he makes quick comments, Rajam is true, the rest are common assumptions, calling someone not an indy is easy when usually only one player is an indy if at all. Calling Omni town seemed kinda fast considering when this was posted.
More about commenting on the Chibo being an indy, maybe he will go further with this?
I suppose it's fair when you consider I pulled a Rebecca Black move to do the same thing. He seems to take note of what Pierce has said. Which I'm not sure if he does bring up later.
But, then he says he lied about wanting to think Chibo was an Indy, interesting.
Comments about a mod error.
He asked Raziek if commenting about flavor is fine to comment about on Day 2. Raziek answers it depends on the flip. So let's see if this commented about later shall we?
Gets annoyed about not contributing, which I lol at when I looked over this and other facts.
Asks some more questions, no comment to Raziek's answer or follow up, let's see where these go.
He says he will post when he can.
Here is the funny thing about this, for those who are mods check my Mafia Legend of Zelda there, he made a few posts in that one, look at his posting history he posts in the league of legends thread, responds to posts on his wall, and comments in the Texas thread.
From here there is a 5 day gap before he posts again. Notice something? He activitly avoided this game and didn't seem to post here at all, nor did he comment nor look at the answers to questions he asked. He needed to be prodded at one point.
He knew this game was going on, he visited the site multiple times and went to threads and his wall a lot of times and never once commented here.
Let's think about this for a second, he's still questioning tinman, but immediately calls him town. He places Rajam as obvious town right away, yet doesn't comment about his easier play, I find it odd that Pierce is off this list despite UTD seemed to enjoy his easier play a lot.
I find this to be skimming the past few pages and seeing a quick lynch.
Doesn't even mention Rajam isn't proven either, he assumes I am Bowyer oddly enough.
Think about the info I have, Mario is in this game, helps town, Bowyer is not, only part that could be pro scum due to it finding a possible indy, and then the original 4 members are not who they appear to be, that is pro town.
How in any way shape or form is my info or my role pro scum? And scum gets info about the set-up in the forum of safe claims, that is all they get from what I understand in the games I have been in.
Essentially this post is bull****.
Despite the questions he asked earlier, oh and on top of this all he has is the recent posts and he puts him as town despite him not having anything else.
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So in a nutshell:
He actively visited the site and other mafia games but decided to not post here.
Zero follow ups on his reads.
Makes up bull****.
only 15 posts in this game.
Limited content in those posts.
unvote
Vote: UTDZac
You were fine with a self-hammer a few posts back, but now you're worried about a quick-lynch?Gets those votes off me if you don't want a quick lynch btw.
More harassment of Zac due to inactivity.Yet you had no problem making these posts in the LoD mafia, why avoid this one unless you didn't care to scum hunt?
Planning is different from did.
Because it is true.
Well you could have easily made small comments during those times you were posting in other threads, including another mafia.
You could have made content during those times you were on.
Omni now follows your finger pointing. So, apologies to you, since it wasn't you riding him, but the other way around. Point is, you're both hammering an inactive who has largely corrected his play, and still trying to make him today's LYNCH, no less.oh ok.
btw i cant do a lengthy retort to what i think so far about the game cuz of my bosses lurking around but uh
rr can live, altho him dying and flipping town would be awesome. mario can claim town and be auto-cleared in lylo situations. also, if "the other 4" does refer to Mallow, Geno, Peach, and Bowser and one of those 4 flip scum then the rest are cleared town. but i do think rr should live.
rajam can still die.
haven't read into UTD enough but he can probably die, too.
so imo either Rajam or UTD should be lynched.
and ill address everyone else after toDay's end
Buddying a bit?Man Omni is right, I'm the scummiest town player alive.
I'm worse than Airgemini.
You know I screwed up enough as is, T-Block hammer me.
Every I said was true, but like Omni said I get an award for scumiest town player.
The day is over, someone just hammer me already.
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Hey look, more AtE!Dice mean nothing when Ranmaru has them.
Unvote
Vote: Red Ryu
There is your hammer, day over.
Omni was ready to end the day here, but now he's still hammering Zac again. Why?did RR seriously just try to hammer himself?
Vote: Red Ryu
let me know when it's tomorrow.
@rajam: you've played with me in 2 games, but im sure you should know that i -always- lynch scum and/or anti-town. sometimes i'm much more willing to lynch anti-town inactives or coasters moreso than players i have a small whiff on.
As if.UTDZac is the scummiest player on my wagon.
More finger pointing at inactives!Outside my wagon, most likely Tin man due to him and Zig being inactive.
Why the drastic change from "RR can die" in this post, to your current opinion, Omni?fyi, i have a very serious dislike for:
- people who vote themselves
- players who AtE profusely (see: MetaKirby)
- people who give up when they're town
if you're town, scum gonna keep you alive cuz you're gonna be an awesome asset for them lylo. i really dont like hearing, "man im scummy even tho im town". it drives me nuts. play better. be better. but making post after post by making johns instead of analyzing the game and finding who is really scum is annoying.
the fact that your flip can def confirm several townies is a tight bonus
@t.block: what more can we get? utd will keep saying the same thing. chibo's ready to pack it up. tin man is still coastin away. shaya is still scary. you're just gonna ask the same questions you always ask. Raziek is gonna stay lookin town and holdin my hand. Pierce is Pierce and is not scummy. rajam is still an awesome lynch choice. pado and krys are new. did i miss anything?
just let OS's crazy night actions take over and we'll handle the business in the morning
Finger pointing at the same people. Me for the claim, Hilt, Zac, Krystedez.I tried already, there is no point when town at this point made up there mind.
I'm a liability in Lylo and flipping is better for my info.
Unvote
Omni if you really think I am town, then I really don't know what to say at this point. People who are dumb enough to think I am scum at this point do, OMG ATE LOL, don;t give a damn right now about ATE right now.
Hilt for some magical reason thinks I'm scum.
Raziek buys Rajam's claim in a heartbeat and thinks I'm lying.
UTD is scum trying to bandwagon on.
Your getting rid of liabilities.
Kryz wants to lynch to wagon with his scummate UTD.
Because your case post on me made me give up, since there is no point when I realized I messed up with that and other things.
Only things I don't regret was the Rebecca Black stuff because that was experimenting on my part.
Also if you think I am a townie, why you vote me bro?
I do NOT like this post. Since that's all he's been doing. And pointing fingers.unvote
Alright, RR. If you're willing to stop whining and actually keep doing work like you've been doing off and on then I'm cool, but seriously, those AtE's are like pimp slapping me in the face with a bajillion red flags.
Hm.
Let's just kill UTD and call it a day.
But more importantly can we hurry up and kill someone
*sigh*Where is this content UTD said he would bring up?
I'm waiting.
ew @ clearing people based off town color mechanics.
rajam or utd can get the pipe today
Vote: UTDZac
His avoidance is clear as day, I want him to show up and be more active.
I just voted, I want UTD dead.
also can we not start branching off on voting other players at this point since the deadline is coming up pretty soon
if it ain't RR, Rajam, or UTD then gtfo
Agreeing with T-Block on nothing this.Just re-reading some recent stuff...
Omni sets up "Rajam or UTD", which is followed by RR focusing on UTD. Then that last post...
Nothing conclusive, but if Rajam does flip scum, you can be sure I'm going to re-read with heavy focus on this.
Until I see a concise case on UTD, I'm considering votes on him branching as well.
Omni admits that the Zac case is insubstantial and simply based on "lynching inactives"Idc. Lol. i like lynching inactives. they're always gonna be needs to die list
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+repi do not want to lynch utd today. He stopped being inactive 4 days before the deadline.
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I find this suspicious, since you played it off as a "oh well, it's done, GG". It's never over till the mod says it is.Oh Pierces vote is a hammer.
Ok, I was telling the truth about my role, later gents.
UTD and me. Again.This seems fishy, he seems to disregard Rajam as a viable lynch target.
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Also no one hammer til UTD answer's Omni's question, I rather those get answered since UTD just outright ignored them.
Inactive = scum? Since when?Pretty much,
I want legit answers to those questions, chop chop.
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And what Omni said, if you think I'm town, don't lynch me.
I think UTD is scum, hence me voting him.
Hilt and Shaya have vanished into the night, we should bring them out here.
Lack of activity earlier when you posted around the forums else where, when you picked it up I am not satisfied with how you have been posting and the posts that had content made me go "!" .
Accusing UTDZac of no content after all you did was hammer him and other players for "inactivity", not scumminess, and pointing fingers.Technically I explained why in my #762.
Oh you mean this,
This is not a case, this is speculation at best.
What have I done that is scummy? What makes me scum? Your speculating a role, that is all you did here, nothing that says I am scum.
Most of your posts after your "return" had better content, but I don't buy that your town at all.
Look at any of your past 5 posts, you posted some, key word some, content.
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LOL YEAH GUYS, WE'RE TOTALLY LYNCHING ZAC TODAY.
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Inactivity = easily fixable. Idiocy is not.Inactive = liability later in the game. Why does that idea float over everyone's heads?
guys do me a favor and look at Raziek after I die
Inactivity = easily fixable. Idiocy is not.
inactivity can be fixed
tenses, learn them.and no you haven't fixed jack didily
Someone shouldn't cut out parts of a statement to make it seem like they said something smart.Inactivity can be fixed through PRESSURE. Which is what has been done! The fact that you think inactivity (mild, at that) on Day 1 of ALL days makes someone scum, is just laughable.
Where did I ever say Inactivity would fix itself?
It's all fine and dandy to pressure Zac because he was inactive earlier in the day. Suggesting he should be lynched over you is just hilarious.
Your one of the only people who are satisfied with this, good to note.Zac's inactivity HAS been fixed to a satisfactory level for me.
Tin Man, however, I did not address, you brought him up.
Because he is the only one who has read me properly and I like how he is activitly scum hunting. He isn't letting others do the work, he is making the cases for himself.@Red Ryu: Omni is the only one that was unsatisfied by my responses. I wasn't exactly sure what he wanted to hear until Pierce helped with that. And how are you so sure Omni is town...
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I'm guessing you missed the part where I explained my Tin Man read?UTDZ is still a super large null to me, I have no idea what to think about him, and the only thing I feel like warrants a "read" if anything about him is the fact that he instantly said Tin is town to him, and then said "well I'm waiting on responses from him to clear up my facts"... Tin still feels just as a null as when Zig started honestly.