Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[Raziek]

Also, Raziek, your thoughts on anyone who isn't Rajam, UTD, or RR, please.

Let's see...

Hilt feels Town.
Pierce moderately Town.
You're confusing me, but I have a feeling it's likely simply a disagreement over what our opinions are on lynching inactives vs. lynching anti-Town.
Pado confusing as always.
Feeling a bit better about Krystedez right now.

 

[Tin Man]

Thanks for the answers Canada :]

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hilt and Shaya have vanished into the night, we should bring them out here.

 

[Tin Man]

I'll be taking a break from this (eat/nap). Gonna look back at this prolly before midnight.

 

[Raziek]

Does it? It would bother me more if UTD or any inactive was NOT brought up at all all day. Why doesn't it bother you that barely anyone has made any votes or legitimate forced pressure outside of the common easy wagon RR/Rajam?

It's fine to bring them up and pressure them, but I do NOT agreeing with switching targets and pressuring inactives this late in the day.

And Shaya has time-zone johns.

I don't see a need to deviate from a clear course, when this much discussion has generated several promising lynch candidates.

For Day 1, I feel we have enough to make a decision, and I don't believe that we benefit from a change in course this late. Discussion is fine, but I think our choices are pretty clear, here.

 

[UTDZac]

How do you feel against people's (including mine) case against Rajam?

I think it's reasonable that people still have scummy feelings towards Rajam, specifically because they don't believe his claim. And like you said, claiming a doc is a popular choice for scum

What do you think about the fact that he OMGUS'd his entire wagon?

Statements like this: "Most if not all scum is on my wagon." I see as null.

What do you think about the fact that he extended his RVS phase much longer than needed?

I believe, before my inactivity, I said it was stupid and unnecessary, and that I didn't like it.

Do you find people who are voting Rajam over RR to be scummy since you consider Rajam more townie?

No. See my first answer. I think it's reasonable that other players have a hard time deciding who to believe and, when pressured to make a choice between two targets, choose the one that seems more reasonable. Rajam's reaction to his wagon is just as annoying as Red Ryu's.

I've played about 2 games with Rajam and nothing about his play thus far for me has seen "natural", so what exactly do you mean by Rajam's play is natural? What is a natural Rajam?

More so I meant the way he uses colors and quotes people, not so much his direct playstyle in terms of scumhunting. Sorry for the confusion.

Omni's questions have been bolded. My answers are not bolded.

 

[Omni]

What? We need a lynch today, and I would much rather lynch an anti-Town player who would provide a lot of information, even if I'm not 100% sure he's scum.

Relax. We -will- get a lynch toDay. Overswarm's rule states that majority vote will become the lynch choice for the day. And I hear you on the information part; I really do, but I know how easy it is a cop out on a player's lynch based on information as scum since I've been there before. By allowing this as a primary reasoning for voting him if RR flips town then you can't really find any fault in anyone for voting him.

Btw, what information do we get if he flips town and how does it become immediately beneficial to us, Raziek. It seems obvious, but I want you to tell me it again.

Do you think Zac is scum, Omni?

You're contradicting yourself a lot.

What? I was talking about RR; not UTD.

Let's see...

Hilt feels Town.
Pierce moderately Town.
You're confusing me, but I have a feeling it's likely simply a disagreement over what our opinions are on lynching inactives vs. lynching anti-Town.
Pado confusing as always.
Feeling a bit better about Krystedez right now.

Uhm, okay. Are the rest null?

 

[T-block]

Red flags. Stop repeating this, Pierce.

If you don't think he's scum you should -not- be voting him. That's such an easy cop out.

Where the hell is Shaya?

You advocate a Zac lynch, but you don't necessarily think Zac is scum, right?

There are reasons other than finding someone scum to place a vote on someone. You seem to be making posts without thinking them through, and I'm not sure what to make of that.

 

[Omni]

How do you feel against people's (including mine) case against Rajam?

I think it's reasonable that people still have scummy feelings towards Rajam, specifically because they don't believe his claim. And like you said, claiming a doc is a popular choice for scum

If I remember, most people seem to think his claim is more believable and Overswarm-like. Whom are you talking about? And the doc claim being a popular choice for scum doesn't apply here. What are you referring to?

What do you think about the fact that he OMGUS'd his entire wagon?

Statements like this: "Most if not all scum is on my wagon." I see as null.

I disagree with you, but okay. Pointing fingers at those that point fingers at you is an easy/lazy cop out.

What do you think about the fact that he extended his RVS phase much longer than needed?

I believe, before my inactivity, I said it was stupid and unnecessary, and that I didn't like it.

Okay.

Do you find people who are voting Rajam over RR to be scummy since you consider Rajam more townie?

No. See my first answer. I think it's reasonable that other players have a hard time deciding who to believe and, when pressured to make a choice between two targets, choose the one that seems more reasonable. Rajam's reaction to his wagon is just as annoying as Red Ryu's.

Okay.

I've played about 2 games with Rajam and nothing about his play thus far for me has seen "natural", so what exactly do you mean by Rajam's play is natural? What is a natural Rajam?

More so I meant the way he uses colors and quotes people, not so much his direct playstyle in terms of scumhunting. Sorry for the confusion.

So you're comfortable with Rajam because... of the way he uses quotes... and usage of color... but not in terms of how he is scumhunting? I forgive you for the confusion, but now I'm confused. How can you be okay with someone who's acting 'natural' when that 'natural' style is semantics and null-tells? Do you have anything to say about his playstyle in terms of scumhunting? The reason why I ask is because this is what I'm getting at: I do see a difference.

 

[Raziek]

Relax. We -will- get a lynch toDay. Overswarm's rule states that majority vote will become the lynch choice for the day.

Voting Rule #4:

4. The Day will end when a majority lynch is decided or a pre-set deadline has been reached. If deadline is reached without a majority lynch decided, there will be no lynch.

So uhhh.... what?

Btw, what information do we get if he flips town and how does it become immediately beneficial to us, Raziek. It seems obvious, but I want you to tell me it again.

The first and most immediate thing is that we confirm or dis-confirm his role Frogfucius, Wise Townie. If it is confirmed, then we know for sure that Mario is in the game (This was fairly obvious), Bowyer is not, and one of the main party members is likely a mafia safeclaim.

If he's scum, then we obviously benefit.

The secondary benefit is we no longer have to spend the whole game wondering if Red Ryu is telling the truth, and our only loss is a functional VT, which is hardly a bad trade-off on a Day 1 lynch.

Uhm, okay. Are the rest null?

You said anyone, not everyone. Am I required to share my opinions on everyone? I dislike disclosing ALL of my reads in batches/lists.

 

[T-block]

^I am curious about what you think of Chibo, Raziek, if you don't mind.

 

[Omni]

You advocate a Zac lynch, but you don't necessarily think Zac is scum, right?

There are reasons other than finding someone scum to place a vote on someone. You seem to be making posts without thinking them through, and I'm not sure what to make of that.

That's a great question.

I agree, but inactivity, for me, is a veil that scum uses to hide. No one misses an inactive and trying to lynch inactives usually forces scum to stop coasting to avoid unnecessary attention.

Lynching for information is dope, too, but it seems here most people are just lynching here to prove if is role information is true. If it's true that's awesome, but I don't see any immediate uses and to be quite honest I want to see people at the end of Day having some kind of scum read reasoning for lynching a person; not for information and based on stuff like colors and claims.

 

[Omni]

I read the same thing @ Raziek. I read majority as in having the most amount of votes; not necessarily the required amount to lynch someone.

@MOD: Can you please confirm what a majority vote is?

Anyway, that's my largest issue with the RR lynch besides the fact that I think he's town. No one is making a commitment. And by no one I mean the ones who are voting him mainly based off his claim and the color business and not for actual scummily reasons. Anyone can be like, "Nah, I don't believe that claim. Let's lynch him to see if it's true just for information sake."

 

[Raziek]

I presume a majority lynch is the majority of the Town, also known as 7.

The only way YOUR way makes sense is if Town votes equally against two players, resulting in a No Lynch.

If the majority of the Town (7) does not decide on a lynch, there will be no lynch. That's how I interpret it.

 

[Overswarm]

Vote count:


Red Ryu - Hilt, UTDZac, Raziek, ChiboSempai, Tin Man,
Rajam - T-block, Pado, Omni,
UTD Zac - Red Ryu,
Pado - Rajam,

Note Voting: Shaya, Krystedez, Pierce,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST


@Mod, Is the link under "Smashboards Mafia Archives: This archive includes examples of past Mafia games in Decisive Games." in the OP incorrect?

It is now.

 

[Raziek]

I read the same thing @ Raziek. I read majority as in having the most amount of votes; not necessarily the required amount to lynch someone.

@MOD: Can you please confirm what a majority vote is?

@mod: Please address this.

 

[Overswarm]

@mod: Please address this.

It's clearly stated in the rules.

4. The Day will end when a majority lynch is decided or a pre-set deadline has been reached. If deadline is reached without a majority lynch decided, there will be no lynch.
5. After the majority lynch has been decided but before the lynch scene is posted, there will be a Twilight phase. Everyone can post in this phase, including the lynch majority target. After the lynch scene is posted, the game will move to Night.

It's majority lynch, not majority vote. If the day ends without a majority lynch, there is no lynch.

 

[Raziek]

Ok, so it's what I thought, then.

Omni, thoughts?

 

[T-block]

Guys, why is this relevant again?

 

[Omni]

My thoughts haven't changed, Raziek.

But I'll hammer when ready, but not 'cuz I want to but only to avoid a no lynch. That would be the worse.

 

[Krystedez]

Wait, what was so unclear about getting a majority lynch? It's "Get this many people on someone's wagon, and they are lynched", end of story.

I still wonder why RR didn't lynch himself. He's been going back and forth. And I really wonder, was all those times he was saying "There, I'm hammered." really him thinking honestly that he was done? If he was really hammered, I think he would have posted some more thoughts post-hammer so he can get as much out on the table before twilight phase finishes.

@all, what your guys' thoughts?

 

[Omni]

I think you didn't say a single thing that really mattered. :/

 

[T-block]

@Krystedez: In some games, you don't need a majority. When the deadline comes, the person with the most votes in lynched, regardless of whether more than half of the players were voting him.

His self-voting behaviour was definitely a little strange - scum will sometimes self-hammer when it's looking like they're going to be lynched no matter what, to deny town some information, but I don't think that's what we're seeing here.

 

[Pierce7d]

I think RR is town. However, I still think he is the best lynch candidate for toDay.

I don't have anyone as confirmed scum, and I'm skeptical of my own reads, because it's Day 1 with zero flips. Therefore, I am going to make the strategic vote for Red Ryu.

I can't believe Omni would have the gall to tell me not to vote for RR because I don't think he's scum, when he wants to vote for UTDZac. LOL

 

[Krystedez]

@Omni, was that at me?

@Pierce, There's a difference between "I want to vote for an inactive/null" vs "I want to vote for someone that has shown to me personally that he is town recently, but had anti-town play before". If you think he's town, in the words of Red Ryu (sorta), "Why you lynch (him) bro?"

I've been thinking that RR is scum finding a way out through appeal by fake-self hammers that he knows about, and I'm glad that someone else thinks different here; I need something to discuss.

His massively awkward throw downs against various people on his wagon early-mid game made me feel weird about him, and he still makes me think he's just trying to throw attention off himself. But lately he's been pushing the defense pretty good (I think someone said that already though). But...

RR's proposal about UTDZ, I have no clue what to feel about him. He hasn't exhibited what looks to me either town or scum behavior. But yet he's still "in the game", so he's not exactly inactive anymore.

I think there's a lot of INFO to still go around. (read, not facts, we have nothing there yet). We have til Friday, and I think that's enough time to get UTDZ figured out some more, Hilt and Shaya's activity up a bit, and have the lynch in before lunch Friday. Take some more stances people.

MY stance currently: Lynch the the hardest to read target. The one with the most bizarre, anti-town behavior and avoidance of pressure as of... recently. My guess? No clue yet. Gotta read back some more. I don't think I'll be here Friday. So tomorrow I'll be doing some final reading and have an idea of who to vote for.

 

[Pierce7d]

Well, if that were up to me, it would be all aboard the Shaya wagon

 

[Raziek]

In completely related news, I'm now finally playing this game.

 

[Shaya]

I was for a RR lynch before the color business, it only strengthens my argument

WRONG
You stated earlier you thought RR was town. I even have it quoted.
Pretty inconsistent of you chibo. That plus your hypocrisy relating to T-Block is annoying the crap out of me.
And what's even more annoying? You ignoring my questions directed straight to you plus me reminding you to answer those questions.
****ing annoyed.

Red flags. Stop repeating this, Pierce.

If you don't think he's scum you should -not- be voting him. That's such an easy cop out.

Where the hell is Shaya?

I was sleeping. You guys doing 140+ posts in the spam of a half a day is always fun to wake up too.

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Shaya: who's the pick toDay? Why maybe not Zac toDay after that speech saying lynching inactives/anti-town players early is good?

can you rephrase this? this is confusing.
Who's the pick today? maybe not zac?
Lynching inactives early stops them screwing us over later in the game. Because they don't have trails, they don't have references, opinions, etc etc.

I think Raziek is town.
Rajam, through his experience of OS games, would know OS uses blue for town. While its WIFOM that raziek wasn't made aware of this / scum mates MAY have told him, his reaction speed to it all was pretty darn legit.

I'm not 100% sure on Rajam's claim, but I do find it weird that Omni is more wanting to kill Rajam than RR. Omni has gone from nullish leaning town to MORE nullish but I'm considering it quite possible to be scum. If Omni flipped scum, I'd think Chibo could be scum (I'm starting to dislike his play, especially after his reread which I've felt was a lot more fluff than current players are giving credit for).

We share similar opinions though - we agree on killing inactives, we have both stated Red Ryu, Rajam and Zac multiple times.

What I will say though, is that I like Ryu's plays more than Rajam. Let's just say both claimed VT - I would be after Rajam for sure. 100%.
How would colours effect this? maybe cut off 15-25% off that 100%.

Just saying, a guy who's reply to accusations was 400% OMGUS annoys me. What really annoys me is Chibo was just as adamant about his death but Rajam ignored it. I swear it's like Chibo has camouflage because all these things are pointing towards him at the moment and no one is saying anything about it. If Rajam flipped scum, I'd think chibo was scum. If Rajam flipped town, I'd be pretty disappointed in his inconsistency of OMGUS.

Either way, in terms of viable plays today,
Red Ryu is a safer lynch. Because unless hes lying, his information is already there. AND his last few points are setting up nice connections for if he flipped town as well.
There's actually two sides to Red Ryu at the moment
those who think he is town (who are all still willing to lynch him today, for the most part)
and those who think he is scum.
People should pay attention to this as it may be useful for later.

 

[Pierce7d]

Oh look, it's Shaya AND Raziek! Joy!

I'm still down to lynch RR.

 

[Shaya]

Pierce my homeboy,
you voted me.

So you must die
Vote: Pierce

Jokes aside, why did you feel the need to be swayed by Omni so quickly in your swiftness of voting?
It feels like a play that is pretty inconsistent with what I've seen you do in other games. You've made little indication of buddying. And after getting a little bit of heat you're suddenly stating "MMM" about Omni.

You seem to be very readily manipulated at the moment, which is a bit silly considering how highly I regard your usual town play.

 

[Raziek]

Triple Marth combo go?

xD /unrelated and bored, I've offered my opinions already.

 

[CT Chia]

WRONG
You stated earlier you thought RR was town. I even have it quoted.
Pretty inconsistent of you chibo. That plus your hypocrisy relating to T-Block is annoying the crap out of me.
And what's even more annoying? You ignoring my questions directed straight to you plus me reminding you to answer those questions.
****ing annoyed.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12607936&postcount=798

My comments on his information and claim and my take on it wanting him lynched, prior to noticing any of the color business

 

[CT Chia]

ROB beats Marth

 

[Padô]

I'm voting Rajam anymore.

UNVOTE

just in case

 

[UTDZac]

I think UTD is scum, hence me voting him.

Can you restate why you think I'm scum again please?

 

[Rajam]

Vote count:


Red Ryu - Hilt, UTDZac, Raziek, ChiboSempai, Tin Man,
Omni - Rajam,
Rajam - T-block, Pado, Omni,
UTD Zac - Red Ryu,

Note Voting: Shaya, Krystedez, Pierce,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST


@Mod, Is the link under "Smashboards Mafia Archives: This archive includes examples of past Mafia games in Decisive Games." in the OP incorrect?

It is now.

^^^ I'm voting Pado
Where is he btw, along with Hilt and Shaya?

Krystedez afaik you didn't answer why weren't you voting

Omni, who do you think is most likely to flip scum? I'm confused if you're pushing me and Zac to be lynched because you think we're the most likely to flip scum, or because we're useless, or because it's some combination of both (useless+scummy). If is one of the latter two (useless or useless+scummy), do you think someone else atm is even scummier, though not necesarily (much) useless? (I'm asking who do you find purely scummy, or who do you think has been "helping" a lot but is scum)

I don't really care about useless players. They've to be extremely useless so I can consider them worth a lynch just because they're being useless. I'll rather lynch scummies no matter if they're being vocal and "helpful"

In that regard, I think you're scum. Not liking how you're willing to lynch useless and scummies alike, and I feel you're focusing much more on useless, much more than actual scummy. Not liking how you reduced days ago the candidates to a lynch between me, Zac and RR (though you don't support a RR lynch anymore). I've heard you focusing a lot on these players that I don't remember anymore your oppinion on players like Hilt, Shaya, Pado, Chibo, Tin Man.

Other scummies for me atm are Pado, who I feel that when he post doesn't really contribute, or isn't worried about pressuring and scumhunting. The fact that he isn't even voting bothers me along with his inactivity after I quoted a "weird" post of him. Shaya because I felt he was ninja'ing at the beginning of the game, an then after his pseudo-case/analysis against Chibo he mostly disappeared. And Pierce because of what I've been saying the whole game about him making my initial play a big deal and very quickly.

@scum: If Omni isn't one of you, and if you know RR, Zac and me are town/not mafia, then Omni is indy. He's much more focused on lynching useless instead of scummy imo. That's trying to avoid a NKill. Please NKill him; we'll all win. kthxbai

@Omni: I feel that you left the RR wagon grow to this (L-1 and super-close to a lynch) and now you're giving a step aside. If you think I'm wrong, who is then the responsible of this actual situation? RR himself, or who would you say is scum trying to lynch RR?

Finally, you said you were also watching for disconnections like I'm/was doing. I hope town doesn't forget about this and you give your results about this at some point.

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TLDR: Lynch Omni, or Pado. Shaya and Pierce are also a good lynch toDay.

 

[Overswarm]

Vote count:


Red Ryu - Hilt, UTDZac, Raziek, ChiboSempai, Tin Man,
Rajam - T-block, Omni,
UTD Zac - Red Ryu,
Pado - Rajam,

Note Voting: Shaya, Krystedez, Pierce, Pado


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

 

[Pierce7d]

You seem to be very readily manipulated at the moment, which is a bit silly considering how highly I regard your usual town play.

Eh, not really. I just want to come to a collective decision. Before, I didn't really care so much between Rajam or RR. Now, I don't particularly want to lynch either, but I don't have enough time to scum hunt a new case onto someone any further, so I'm willing to make the strategic play and resume the hunt day II.

At this point, I just want some flips so I can get back on the prowl.

 

[Rajam]

WRONG
You stated earlier you thought RR was town. I even have it quoted.
Pretty inconsistent of you chibo. That plus your hypocrisy relating to T-Block is annoying the crap out of me.
And what's even more annoying? You ignoring my questions directed straight to you plus me reminding you to answer those questions.
****ing annoyed.



I was sleeping. You guys doing 140+ posts in the spam of a half a day is always fun to wake up too.

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can you rephrase this? this is confusing.
Who's the pick today? maybe not zac?
Lynching inactives early stops them screwing us over later in the game. Because they don't have trails, they don't have references, opinions, etc etc.

I think Raziek is town.
Rajam, through his experience of OS games, would know OS uses blue for town. While its WIFOM that raziek wasn't made aware of this / scum mates MAY have told him, his reaction speed to it all was pretty darn legit.

I'm not 100% sure on Rajam's claim, but I do find it weird that Omni is more wanting to kill Rajam than RR. Omni has gone from nullish leaning town to MORE nullish but I'm considering it quite possible to be scum. If Omni flipped scum, I'd think Chibo could be scum (I'm starting to dislike his play, especially after his reread which I've felt was a lot more fluff than current players are giving credit for).

We share similar opinions though - we agree on killing inactives, we have both stated Red Ryu, Rajam and Zac multiple times.

What I will say though, is that I like Ryu's plays more than Rajam. Let's just say both claimed VT - I would be after Rajam for sure. 100%.
How would colours effect this? maybe cut off 15-25% off that 100%.

Just saying, a guy who's reply to accusations was 400% OMGUS annoys me. What really annoys me is Chibo was just as adamant about his death but Rajam ignored it. I swear it's like Chibo has camouflage because all these things are pointing towards him at the moment and no one is saying anything about it. If Rajam flipped scum, I'd think chibo was scum. If Rajam flipped town, I'd be pretty disappointed in his inconsistency of OMGUS.

Either way, in terms of viable plays today,
Red Ryu is a safer lynch. Because unless hes lying, his information is already there. AND his last few points are setting up nice connections for if he flipped town as well.
There's actually two sides to Red Ryu at the moment
those who think he is town (who are all still willing to lynch him today, for the most part)
and those who think he is scum.
People should pay attention to this as it may be useful for later.

Shaya why aren't you voting?

I meant, you said lynching useless/inactives is good Day 1. Zac was inactive hence being useless. Why then you said Zac would be a good lynch toMorrow (and not toDay?)

agreed

 

[Omni]

Omni, who do you think is most likely to flip scum? I'm confused if you're pushing me and Zac to be lynched because you think we're the most likely to flip scum, or because we're useless, or because it's some combination of both (useless+scummy). If is one of the latter two (useless or useless+scummy), do you think someone else atm is even scummier, though not necesarily (much) useless? (I'm asking who do you find purely scummy, or who do you think has been "helping" a lot but is scum)

I have been very clear so there is no reason for you to be confused. And I felt like I have repeated myself several times so I am unsure as to why you don't understand. I think you are scummy. I think UTD can die solely based on being the most inactive toDay.

I don't really care about useless players. They've to be extremely useless so I can consider them worth a lynch just because they're being useless. I'll rather lynch scummies no matter if they're being vocal and "helpful"

Who said anything about lynching a useless player today? Useless =/= inactive.

In that regard, I think you're scum. Not liking how you're willing to lynch useless and scummies alike, and I feel you're focusing much more on useless, much more than actual scummy. Not liking how you reduced days ago the candidates to a lynch between me, Zac and RR (though you don't support a RR lynch anymore). I've heard you focusing a lot on these players that I don't remember anymore your oppinion on players like Hilt, Shaya, Pado, Chibo, Tin Man.

What?

You've been my main bread and butter lynch for a while, Rajam. Do you think I find you useless? I don't think you've been reading this game correctly because my wagon started on you for you being ******** early RVS. Then your follow-up started stinking up the entire place. Also, I was probably one of the first to expand out on Hilt, Shaya, and Chibo. Haven't had much of an opinion on Pado or Tin (Zigsta).

You're clearly making a broad analysis of the game and it is very inaccurate and incorrect, Rajam. Use quotes to back up your reasoning lest you sound like scum grasping at straws. So far you have made a very poor analysis on me because your statements have just been wrong. I find you scummy. UTD is inactive. RR is playing anti-town, but I believe he is town. This line of reasoning pretty much debunks your entire argument made so far.

@scum: If Omni isn't one of you, and if you know RR, Zac and me are town/not mafia, then Omni is indy. He's much more focused on lynching useless instead of scummy imo. That's trying to avoid a NKill. Please NKill him; we'll all win. kthxbai

You sound dumb again, Rajam. Who is trying to lynch "useless"? Why aren't you more worried that there are people who are making lynches solely off claims/game mechanics? That kind of reasoning establishes no real commitment whatsoever and is the easiest way to avoid attention as scum while blending in with town.

@Omni: I feel that you left the RR wagon grow to this (L-1 and super-close to a lynch) and now you're giving a step aside. If you think I'm wrong, who is then the responsible of this actual situation? RR himself, or who would you say is scum trying to lynch RR?

I let the RR wagon grow to L-1? What? I haven't been a huge advocate of RR's lynch all game except for the one time I spazzed on him for giving up and making johns. You're not making any sense, Rajam.

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Rajam, you have -alot- of explaining to do because that post was filled with inconsistencies and inaccurate accusations. What game have you been reading? And why are you not fully familiar with my repeated stances? I am -very- clear as to who I want dead and why so I don't see how it's possible for you to be getting so many facts straight this late into Day 1.