Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[T-block]

However, you, myself, and hilt all seem to want rr dead. T-block, thoughts?

My stance holds:

RR really feels town, and I think I'll stick by that read. However, with the colour issue, I wouldn't be surprised if he filpped scum. That, combined with the fact that he gives mod-confirmed information about the setup on flip if town, makes me okay with lynching him.

I really dislike clearing Rajam based on colour. The fact that the mod is not adding a sample role PM suggests that he already made sure that scum knew town colour.

 

[Pierce7d]

at this point, I wannalynch rr, simply because it will give me a better read on omni, which is somehing I'm struggling with.

 

[Pierce7d]

wait, t-block, didn't you say before you cleared raj on color? Wasn't it only until after omni suggested color was in the safe claim that you changed you mind?

 

[T-block]

Yeah I did Pierce, but after seeing this post:

tho tbh i wouldnt put it past any mod to give scum that available information. i've played in several where i was given more than just the color in my role pm

I began to think it was very possible that the colour was included with the safe claim, especially with the mod's cryptic responses to my questions.

 

[CT Chia]

Laugh it off mentality, following the vote patterns of the scummiest person on the chopping block, picking a bunch of players to hold hands with (raziek pierce and myself), flip flopping ideas and such

what happened to this?

(talking about RR)

if you're town, scum gonna keep you alive cuz you're gonna be an awesome asset for them lylo. i really dont like hearing, "man im scummy even tho im town". it drives me nuts. play better. be better. but making post after post by making johns instead of analyzing the game and finding who is really scum is annoying.

the fact that your flip can def confirm several townies is a tight bonus

Feels like you were going for the easy lynch to appear pro town then when you found out that there might be a shining hope of him not being lynched, you got off it and started following RR's votes (or him followed you, w/e). If you want the day to end so soon, then you should stick to your ideas and continue to push. pushing UTD business is only going to make things longer.

Omni's play is getting pretty scummy

 

[T-block]

I'll re-read Omni during Night phase.

@Chibo: If RR flips town, will that change your view of Omni?

 

[Omni]

no it ain't. I'll cut u up when I back from lunch

@pierce: k but his flip won't help ur reads on me

 

[CT Chia]

I'll re-read Omni during Night phase.

@Chibo: If RR flips town, will that change your view of Omni?

Not particularly. Though it does foil some of the connections I pointed out like similar voting trends (though that could just be RR doing anything he can to stay alive), there was a reason why I just pointed out this quote:

if you're town, scum gonna keep you alive cuz you're gonna be an awesome asset for them lylo. i really dont like hearing, "man im scummy even tho im town". it drives me nuts. play better. be better. but making post after post by making johns instead of analyzing the game and finding who is really scum is annoying.

the fact that your flip can def confirm several townies is a tight bonus

Omni says himself that scum should want to keep RR alive if he is town, since he's detrimental to town in the long run, and not to mention we don't confirm or deny his information.

 

[Pierce7d]

no it ain't. I'll cut u up when I back from lunch

@pierce: k but his flip won't help ur reads on me

i'll be the judge of that

 

[Omni]

Uhhhh... what happened to RR? Why do you want to lynch Rajam?

stop skimming. i made a huge argument on why i wanted to lynch Rajam.

Omni, you're one of the ones branching. Town was practically in agreement that RR should die, look at the vote trends. And honestly I thought he was hammered but I suppose he wasn't.

I'm with Pierce on not wanting any more claims.

It's Rajam and RR on the chopping block here. Why you would want to go for Rajam over RR is COMPLETELY beyond me. The fact that you want to turn this 180 onto UTD and SO DOES RR does not look good for either of you.

town was wavering between rajam and rr. there was no consensus for just RR. votes were removed and thoughts wavered once the claims came into play and the color issue was dropped as well.

What is wrong with you???

We have two players claimed and one of them posted the complete wrong color. The two claimed people posted different colors.

Sure, RR could have forgotten the correct color, it's a possibility. But you're honestly willing to let that slide out the window and just go for generic inactive lynch #47?

Inactive lynches on day 1 are good when there is nothing else to work off of, and we certainly have more to work off of.

you're still basing this crap off the color scheme which is really bothering me considering you've played long enough to know how safe claims work. let me ask you a question: what is your basis on wanting to lynch RR outside of the fact that he got colors wrong

im letting him slide because i don't find him scummy. i find him to be severely anti-town, but his play reminds me a lot like his play in LoD. a lot.

inactive lynches are great especially after flips on D1. when u have nothing to work off, inactive lynches are usually the least beneficial since it leads to very little information Day 2. inactives dont leave trails thus creates less argument for D2 which is focused on night actions

at this point, I wannalynch rr, simply because it will give me a better read on omni, which is somehing I'm struggling with.

as i said earlier, it wont help you. my read on RR is based on LoD... wait, wtf, go back and read the games with me and RR in it, Pierce. that actually may take a while but if u scanned it and looked at RR's town game play you'd see a very close similiarity to his gameplay here. im honestly surprised that Chibo hasn't picked up on it yet

Laugh it off mentality, following the vote patterns of the scummiest person on the chopping block, picking a bunch of players to hold hands with (raziek pierce and myself), flip flopping ideas and such

chill. my vote patterns have moved from Rajam to RR then to UTD. UTD was never on the chopping block and my vote on Rajam was a placement vote until he came back from his ******** RVS spree. where exactly have your votes been, chibo?

Feels like you were going for the easy lynch to appear pro town then when you found out that there might be a shining hope of him not being lynched, you got off it and started following RR's votes (or him followed you, w/e). If you want the day to end so soon, then you should stick to your ideas and continue to push. pushing UTD business is only going to make things longer.

Omni's play is getting pretty scummy

my push on RR was based on him being so anti-town and was honestly an anger lynch. i do think he's town tho. i've analyzed his play in the previous games in LoD a lot over the past few days and it's nearly spot on. i also can't find any connections with him and other players in the game. for Rajam i've drawn up quite a few.

UTD is a courtesy lynch. it's a threatening one. why are you surprised? i've always gone after the inactive lynch Day 1 every game unless i got a really strong scum vibe aka you and kevin in FF Remix. this doesnt make sense to me because you know my style of play and for you to find this odd of me rubs me the wrong way.

the same applies to the fact that i constantly hold hands. you using that as a semantic for me being scummy does not sit well with me at all. huge fos: chibo

and what flip flopping ideas to i have? rr, rajam, and utd have been on my needs to die list since the beginning of time. ive been generally content with any of the 3 dying today altho i've always wanted to lean towards RR not dying. there's nothing that shows me flip flopping except for my anger towards RR's anti-town play

Omni says himself that scum should want to keep RR alive if he is town, since he's detrimental to town in the long run, and not to mention we don't confirm or deny his information.

explained above.

Chibo, give me your as to why you're so against Rajam being lynched or any kind of scummy? i swear if you use the color scheme crap as your main argument imma rage reply that quick, fast, and in a hurry

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So you'd rather lynch an inactive like me vs an active like RR who's flip gives us more information? I'm not too experienced in mafia, but I thought lynching inactives Day 1 wasn't the best idea when other candidates were available.

It's better for an active player to build connections rather than an inactive whom is a liability later in the game.

Plus I hate inactives more than anything in mafia.

 

[CT Chia]

I was for a RR lynch before the color business, it only strengthens my argument

I believe Rajam's claim. I don't think he would be able to make up such a role on his own (especially without being an insane fanboy of the game), and i dont think scum would be given a safeclaim so intricate. a mod wouldnt devise a whole minigame system like that just to be used as a safeclaim.

i dont believe RR's claim. it's just a bunch of hodge podge info that is w/e. It's not particularly important either way (though i suppose better confirmed than not). its also so incredibly easily faked by scum. say a certain bad character isn't in the game (who could easily be himself), say mario is in the game lmao, and say something is fishy about one of the other four heroes, which can not be confirmed or denied. the entire game if he is not dead im gonna have this whole what if question in my head floating around (i would imagine some others would also), and would rather find this out sooner or later. he either flips scum (awesome, and im leaning towards this), or he flips town and we get w/e info confirmed (which is better than nothing at all i suppose). we also have less risk with lynching him, since he is basically a VT now (with the added bonus we get of lynching him), where anyone else like UTD could end up being a PR and if we push a lynch on his he's going to claim and yada yada yada and if he turns out to be important, then we would lynch RR anyway then UTD goes and gets NK'd awesome

 

[Omni]

chibo, that post pretty much sums up my point. you're making your judgements predominantly based on belief or disbelief of claims; not core scummy actions. saying things like, "i dont think rajam would be able to make such a role" or "I dont think scum would be given an intricate safe claim" just shows me how close minded you're being. if Rajam is scum then he wouldn't have to make such a role on his own because he'd have scummates unless he's a solo indy.

you're making a huge amount of assumptions purely based on the mechanics of the game and how u think its structured tho none of it is confirmed.

but basically your entire argument isn't based on anything that happened in-game via player interactions. you're skimming and making judgments based on claims and assumed game mechanics while minimizing your input on player vs. player interactions.

also the RR wagon was favorable and an easy wagon just like the Rajam lynch. you being on it doesnt strengthen anything. RR's follow-up was his synopsis on the entire cast whereas Rajam's follow up was "everyone who was on my wagon is da scum".

i also dont seem to have a lot of you vs. the rest of the cast. what are your thoughts on the rest of the cast, chibo? by rest i mean everyone who isn't me, rr, rajam, pierce, and utd.

 

[UTDZac]

It's better for an active player to build connections rather than an inactive whom is a liability later in the game.

Plus I hate inactives more than anything in mafia.

Why is someone that starts out inactive guaranteed to be inactive the following Days? This logic baffles me =/

Also, your second statement means nothing. This game is about town, not about you.

 

[Pierce7d]

utd, thoughts on chibo and omni?

 

[UTDZac]

I think Chibo is bringing up some good arguments and Omni is just battering them around.

And it bothers me that Omni makes a statement like this "stop skimming. i made a huge argument on why i wanted to lynch Rajam." but doesn't have anything remotely close to give to Chibo concerning my lynch. Omni has been saying for quite some time he wants me or Rajam dead today.

 

[Pierce7d]

i have similar thought. I think chibo is town, and omni is null

unvote

vote: red ryu

 

[Omni]

wat, be specific about the good points Chibo brought in that post he just made and how i'm battering them around

and i dont need a big argument for you, UTD. you've never been a scumpick for me; just a great inactive slot death. rajam is my scumpick for toDay.

be specific, UTD. be speeeecific.

 

[Pierce7d]

let me explain that a little

if chibo were scum, it would've been easy to just go for the rajam lynch instead of make a late case on omni. Also, I feel chibo's case is somewhat valid. Ofc, if rajam flips scum later, this will change.

Omni has a way of saying a lot, and pushing town forward, but it's tricky to determine his motive. Also, omni has built cases, but he's not looking too far out of the box. It's null.

 

[Pierce7d]

i do not want to lynch utd today. He stopped being inactive 4 days before the deadline.

 

[CT Chia]

chibo, that post pretty much sums up my point. you're making your judgements predominantly based on belief or disbelief of claims; not core scummy actions. saying things like, "i dont think rajam would be able to make such a role" or "I dont think scum would be given an intricate safe claim" just shows me how close minded you're being. if Rajam is scum then he wouldn't have to make such a role on his own because he'd have scummates unless he's a solo indy.

you're making a huge amount of assumptions purely based on the mechanics of the game and how u think its structured tho none of it is confirmed.

but basically your entire argument isn't based on anything that happened in-game via player interactions. you're skimming and making judgments based on claims and assumed game mechanics while minimizing your input on player vs. player interactions.

You say I'm skimming but fail to remember anything I've brought up in the game so far. I was originally voting Rajam because I didn't enjoy his play. I highlighted this PLENTY of times. However that is without saying I really don't enjoy RR's play either, which I highlighted when I mentioned I wanted to lynch him instead of Rajam.

So it came down to claims. What's wrong with basing things off of believing or disbelieving claims? Is that not why we claim to begin with? lmao

You say that I'm assuming too many things, but I call it using logic to determine whether the claims are valid or not. What is wrong with that?

You say I'm close minded but instead you say garbage like Rajam's scummates could have helped him devise this claim. If the QT or something for this game involves the entire faction devising some intricate minigame for a day 1 scum claim, I'll Paypal you a dollar. I'm completely fine without considering possibilities like this because of how ridiculous it is, so call me close minded.

 

[Omni]

one word chibo:

Time Era Countdown



well 3 words

and logic revolved around the realm of certainty. you are uncertain of way too many facts for it be logic

 

[CT Chia]

did you really quick edit your post to say well 3 words lmao

 

[CT Chia]

would you stop quick editing <_<

 

[Omni]

lol ye a

 

[Omni]

also claims are for trails to see if a person can commit to their role to prove if its real or not. that's why doc claims are so powerful

 

[UTDZac]

Why are doc claims so powerful in that regard?

 

[Krystedez]

I don't even know where the hell the target is anymore... What happened to our lynch choice being RR? Why did we switch to Rajam? Anyone want to sum it up for me? I'm not going to be lazy and not read up, but seriously, you guys lost me, and I can't put too much of my thoughts down yet since I have class in an hour and an assignment due tonight.

To whoever asked why I wasn't voting, it's because T-block suggested someone pull their vote off in case RR gets QL'd. Which I obliged.

I'm not voting now because I'm confused and need to re-read/get up to speed. Loving the activity though at least. I just wish I had more time.

 

[Omni]

Think about it before you ask, Zac.

If RR claimed Doc, what would you do?

 

[UTDZac]

Not lynch him? I don't follow what you mean by trails.

And I assume you meant "If RR claimed Doc instead."

 

[Omni]

first

wat, be specific about the good points Chibo brought in that post he just made and how i'm battering them around

and i dont need a big argument for you, UTD. you've never been a scumpick for me; just a great inactive slot death. rajam is my scumpick for toDay.

be specific, UTD. be speeeecific.

go back and answer this.

second

by trails i mean commitment to a role. if i commit to a vanilla townie role claim than me being seen visiting anyone at night outs me. claiming a role like that leaves a trail for further night actions. if RR claims doc several things happen whether he's scum or town but none of them require a commitment and in one scenario can force a CC doc. but fyi doc is a popular claim for scum especially Day 1.

im not sure whats so hard to understand about what i said and honestly im not sure why questioning it is relevant

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh Pierces vote is a hammer.

Ok, I was telling the truth about my role, later gents.

 

[T-block]

Umm...as far as I can tell, you're at L-1, RR.

 

[UTDZac]

@Omni

Chibo's #952 where he says you were branching out to me when RR / Rajam were already good lynch targets and had already claimed.

Your response: "I'm not branching."


Chibo's #955 in big, bold letters: "Someone please summarize the case on UTD in one post to convince me and everyone else that there is even a chance that it could be better than R/RR"

Your response: "Idc. Lol. i like lynching inactives. they're always gonna be needs to die list"


Chibo's #965, where he says you are prolonging the day by bringing me up as a potential lynch target (without a good case and followers outside of RR) vs sticking with someone like RR who's play is annoying and scummy. You said yourself you want the day to end. Combine this with Chibo's #968.

In your #970 you even say RR is severely anti-town, yet you want to lynch an inactive over RR?


Chibo's #972, while we aren't entirely certain how true the info from RR is, still seems like an easy claim for scum (over something like VT). Chibo brought up the same point I did about the claim, so I agree here. Plus lynching an informant helps us either way, cause that person is basically a VT, where as lynching an inactive in general might reveal a PR.

In your #973 you address Chibo saying he's narrow minded and shouldn't be worrying on possibilities like that, cause we have no idea what's truly going on, but you completely skip over Chibo's thoughts at the end on why lynching RR is good and shifting to me is bad.

im not sure whats so hard to understand about what i said and honestly im not sure why questioning it is relevant

I enjoy playing mafia games and learning how to better play them. That's all, just want to learn stuff. That's why it was relevant to me.

 

[Omni]

Chibo's #952 where he says you were branching out to me when RR / Rajam were already good lynch targets and had already claimed.

Your response: "I'm not branching."

My initial response was, "I'm not branching," via the phone followed by, "In regards to votes being put on Shaya and Pado." Pierce placed a vote on you a few days while you were inactive and I found it to be well placed in regards to your inactivity. Not to mention several people showed dislike for your disappearance. Regardless, you've been on my death list for a long while. There is no branching.

Chibo's #955 in big, bold letters: "Someone please summarize the case on UTD in one post to convince me and everyone else that there is even a chance that it could be better than R/RR"

Your response: "Idc. Lol. i like lynching inactives. they're always gonna be needs to die list"

Are you lying or misreading? That response was towards Chibo's, "Until I see a concise case on UTD, I'm considering votes on him branching as well." As if I care what Chibo considers something to be branching. You asked me this question already and I told you I don't have any kind of scum case on you; I just personally love lynching inactives and you were the most inactive out of the bunch until Pierce and I lit a fire under your ***.

Chibo's #965, where he says you are prolonging the day by bringing me up as a potential lynch target (without a good case and followers outside of RR) vs sticking with someone like RR who's play is annoying and scummy. You said yourself you want the day to end. Combine this with Chibo's #968.

You were brought up as a potential vote target by Pierce a few days back. This was after Rajam and RR claimed and I was ready to move on to other candidates: You and Hilt. Hilt put pep in his step much earlier while you continued to remain inactive only to comeback and parrot the general consensus.

It wasn't until yesterday, I believe, that I said I'm ready to end the day because of RR's ******** playing. Here's a question: What makes Rajam's play any different from RR's play? Because I found Rajam's play to be very annoying (late RVS) followed by his follow-up of OMGUS'ing everyone on his wagon (scummy) so if you see otherwise then explain to me why that is.

In your #970 you even say RR is severely anti-town, yet you want to lynch an inactive over RR?

Always and forever. Severely anti-town players like RR have at least created trails and connections with the cast. An inactive commits to nothing and has very little to no connections with the rest of the cast which is optimal for scum play. This is pre-school Mafia talk.

Chibo's #972, while we aren't entirely certain how true the info from RR is, still seems like an easy claim for scum (over something like VT). Chibo brought up the same point I did about the claim, so I agree here. Plus lynching an informant helps us either way, cause that person is basically a VT, where as lynching an inactive in general might reveal a PR.

I... actually agree with this, but my issue with Chibo was that when I asked for his argument the only response I got back was pertaining to claims and could be mechanics of the game; nothing redeemingly scummy about RR's behavior nor his connection with the rest of the cast aka basic scumhunting mafia. I think I could have made Chibo's argument if I had just been told the claims made in this game and read the OP and that's it.

In your #973 you address Chibo saying he's narrow minded and shouldn't be worrying on possibilities like that, cause we have no idea what's truly going on, but you completely skip over Chibo's thoughts at the end on why lynching RR is good and shifting to me is bad.

It's not that I skipped over it. I just don't agree with it. RR and Rajam, unfortunately, have been safe non-committal wagons. I want to see more players like Pierce branching out and scouting inactives and questioning intentions on players who are less vocal i.e. actively scumhunting and not narrowing the game to two players. You dying is awesome, but more importantly, shows that inactive/coasters can and will be lynched. If my push for you doesn't get you lynched I bet your *** you won't be inactive again.

I enjoy playing mafia games and learning how to better play them. That's all, just want to learn stuff. That's why it was relevant to me.

That's cool.

 

[UTDZac]

If my push for you doesn't get you lynched I bet your *** you won't be inactive again.

You pushing for my lynch is unrelated to how active I plan on being.

I tried playing really active (see BBR mafia) but people didn't seem like that either. So I'm at a loss.

That's cool.

Meanie =(

 

[UTDZac]

It wasn't until yesterday, I believe, that I said I'm ready to end the day because of RR's ******** playing. Here's a question: What makes Rajam's play any different from RR's play? Because I found Rajam's play to be very annoying (late RVS) followed by his follow-up of OMGUS'ing everyone on his wagon (scummy) so if you see otherwise then explain to me why that is.

Rajam's play seems natural, from the other games I've played with him. That's why my attention hasn't been drawn to him like you. I've already expressed why I want Red Ryu lynched, so obviously I'm gonna choose RR over R.

 

[Omni]

Lol, I wasn't trying to be mean. It wasn't sarcasm.

But I need you to expound a bit more.

You said that RR has been very annoying and scummy. I have just explained to you that Rajam has actually followed the same pattern. Unfortunately, I can't just accept the explanation, "Rajam's play seems natural,". Like for me, I have the same explanation in regards to RR except I don't see specific pushes against RR to be scummy. How do you feel against people's (including mine) case against Rajam? Put attention on him.

What do you think about the fact that he OMGUS'd his entire wagon?
What do you think about the fact that he extended his RVS phase much longer than needed?
Do you find people who are voting Rajam over RR to be scummy since you consider Rajam more townie?

I've played about 2 games with Rajam and nothing about his play thus far for me has seen "natural", so what exactly do you mean by Rajam's play is natural? What is a natural Rajam?

Be specific, please.

 

[UTDZac]

So many questions X.x

 

[Omni]

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