Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[Omni]

btw, good call on Shaya. but i dont think he's been inactive enough to become a lynch candidate for toDay, Pierce. UTD definitely took the cake for that. but he's perfect inactive bait for toMorrow

seriously can we just kill Rajam or UTD and call it a day

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: UTDZac

His avoidance is clear as day, I want him to show up and be more active.

 

[Rajam]

Omni, why aren't you voting?

Same question for Krystedez, Pado, Shaya, Red Ryu

also

unvote

vote: Pado

That last post of him smells

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I just voted, I want UTD dead.

 

[Pierce7d]

I'm down to kill UTD, but I don't wanna force a THIRD claim today, and I don't really want to kill him without him claiming.

I don't really want to kill Rajam, because my gut says he's town right now.

I wanna kill Red Ryu, and nothing is holding me back from that.

Why do you not want to kill RR Omni?

 

[Omni]

@rajam:i just got finish unvoting RR. my vote was off UTD beforehand. if i hadn't made it clear

i want you or UTD dead. today. i really dont have a preference of one over the other and if it was possible double day vig on both of you would be optimal.

Vote: UTD

only cuz you've left a good amount of trails already with another players

@pierce: i explained earlier. his play isn't rubbing me off as scummy. like from my last past 2 games of mafia where he was town he is playing very identical. very identical. he's made like a few silly slips and things that made me question him but my gut says say obv RR town. the best reason to knock him off tho is to confirm his claim. what an oh so lovely confirmation that would be

 

[Omni]

also can we not start branching off on voting other players at this point since the deadline is coming up pretty soon

if it ain't RR, Rajam, or UTD then gtfo

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

also can we not start branching off on voting other players at this point since the deadline is coming up pretty soon

if it ain't RR, Rajam, or UTD then gtfo

I have to agree with this.

If you voting any of these names, your playing dumb.

Pierce, how do you suggest dealing with UTD if you don't want him to claim?

 

[T-block]

My stance on RR and Rajam, requested by Pierce:

RR really feels town, and I think I'll stick by that read. However, with the colour issue, I wouldn't be surprised if he filpped scum. That, combined with the fact that he gives mod-confirmed information about the setup on flip if town, makes me okay with lynching him.

Rajam is leaning town because of the colour issue. However, I still think his scummy behaviour earlier toDay cannot be overlooked.

Omni brings up an interesting point - has anyone who is clearing Rajam based on colour thought of the possibility that OS has coloured the names of the safe claims?

 

[Pierce7d]

Okay, well in that case, let's just lynch Rajam. I think he's town, but I wouldn't hate to lynch him either way really, especially on Day 1. I plan to deal with Zac later, because we don't have enough time to deal with it ToDay, and an additional claim today will give scum more information than I want them to have before we have ANY information off flips.

That being said, let's lynch Rajam if he's the consensus over RR. I know Hilt will disagree though. I hope we don't spend another day arguing over this topic.

 

[Omni]

i can agree on that! new rajam lynch wagon full speed ahead

unvote
Vote: Rajam









warning: by joining this wagon you are auto-scum

 

[Pierce7d]

LOL!

unvote

Vote: Rajam

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't feel comfortable with a Rajam wagon unless we were sure he was scum, and I have more of a town read on him.

 

[T-block]

^Oh man, if Rajam flips scum, I think RR could be scum as well

 

[Omni]

RR, if you're comfortable with Rajam and you're done voting yourself why isn't your vote on UTD?

Edit: Nevermind. Missed that vote from above. :D

Edit: But still, let's kill Rajam instead.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

^Oh man, if Rajam flips scum, I think RR could be scum as well

You can't be serious...

 

[T-block]

Just re-reading some recent stuff...

Omni sets up "Rajam or UTD", which is followed by RR focusing on UTD. Then that last post...

seriously can we just kill Rajam or UTD and call it a day

Vote: UTDZac

His avoidance is clear as day, I want him to show up and be more active.

I have to agree with this.

If you voting any of these names, your playing dumb.

Pierce, how do you suggest dealing with UTD if you don't want him to claim?

I don't feel comfortable with a Rajam wagon unless we were sure he was scum, and I have more of a town read on him.

Nothing conclusive, but if Rajam does flip scum, you can be sure I'm going to re-read with heavy focus on this.

 

[UTDZac]

@Omni, your play amuses me. Any reason you switch from "rr can live, altho him dying and flipping town would be awesome" to "I only want Rajam or UTD dead today" to "if it ain't RR, Rajam, or UTD then gtfo." You say we shouldn't branch off looking for other scumpicks, cause the deadlines near, and we have to only choose one of those 3, or is it 2, to lynch.

Excluding this inconsistency, I see you.

Also, I want clear stances from everyone where they stand on how they feel about Rajam, and how they feel about RR

For instance:
I think Rajam is town. I think it's extremely unlikely that he would post the correct color of blue even AFTER RR posted the incorrect color Green. Additionally, I don't think scum would make up such an elaborate role in the face of being lynched.

I have a null tell on Red Ryu, but I would feel comfortable lynching him, to confirm his information, and since we have few better plays.

He didn't. If he did "make up" his role, then he had plenty of time to do so. See his breadcrumbs. He figured he was going to claim at some point so he was ready.

Vote: UTDZac

His avoidance is clear as day, I want him to show up and be more active.

I fail to see how I'm failing to do this. I was active yesterday and now today. Does this not count as "being more active"

 

[Pierce7d]

Right now, I want to see what Zac can bring us tomorrow. We've got players I'm legitimately uncomfortable with bringing into Lylo. Inactivity can be cured. If Zac does work in day 2, then his Day 1 coasting can be somewhat forgiven. Especially considering that there's technically still two days left in ToDay.

 

[Omni]

@Omni, your play amuses me. Any reason you switch from "rr can live, altho him dying and flipping town would be awesome" to "I only want Rajam or UTD dead today" to "if it ain't RR, Rajam, or UTD then gtfo." You say we shouldn't branch off looking for other scumpicks, cause the deadlines near, and we have to only choose one of those 3, or is it 2, to lynch.

Excluding this inconsistency, I see you.

There really isn't any inconsistency.

People who have a case on RR dying is fine with me. RR is a top lynch pick, although, he is not on my list on the moment.

What are you talking about?

 

[UTDZac]

@Omni, from what I can gather you want me dead because you want me dead. Am I missing something?

 

[Omni]

I want you dead because you exhibited the most amount of inactivity Day 1.

 

[CT Chia]

I don't. The role color is already out in the open, so if I were scum, I wouldn't even bother bringing this to light. I just honestly don't feel pinning scum like this is in the spirit of the game. I'm not going to DQ Ally because he's Canadian.

So why did you ask for one?

 

[UTDZac]

So you'd rather lynch an inactive like me vs an active like RR who's flip gives us more information? I'm not too experienced in mafia, but I thought lynching inactives Day 1 wasn't the best idea when other candidates were available.

 

[CT Chia]

We can break it even more, asking a player things like "what's the 5th and 12th words in your win con", so we can still abuse this win-cond thing with more players asking for different words #s.

Pretty sure that's broken and against the rules though

It's not to my knowledge

 

[UTDZac]

I'm re-reading the rules again -.-

 

[CT Chia]

tho tbh i wouldnt put it past any mod to give scum that available information. i've played in several where i was given more than just the color in my role pm

If we lynch RR and he flips scum, it means he didn't know towns color, and him forgetting it is all BS. This would then confirm Rajam, since he did know the color and scum players did not.

 

[T-block]

So you'd rather lynch an inactive like me vs an active like RR who's flip gives us more information? I'm not too experienced in mafia, but I thought lynching inactives Day 1 wasn't the best idea when other candidates were available.

Agreed with this sentiment.

Someone mentioned before that OS himself had used colours and stuff like this in a game before. Is he one who does not like using it, but will if the opportunity is there? Does he consider it mod error to not include a sample role PM?

 

[CT Chia]

seriously can we just kill Rajam or UTD and call it a day

Uhhhh... what happened to RR? Why do you want to lynch Rajam?

 

[CT Chia]

I'm down to kill UTD, but I don't wanna force a THIRD claim today, and I don't really want to kill him without him claiming.

I don't really want to kill Rajam, because my gut says he's town right now.

I wanna kill Red Ryu, and nothing is holding me back from that.

Why do you not want to kill RR Omni?

Then we drill on UTD (and Shaya) tomorrow. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm with you on your Rajam and RR reads.

 

[UTDZac]

@T-block, did you miss OS's response regarding the accuracy of the OP?

 

[CT Chia]

also can we not start branching off on voting other players at this point since the deadline is coming up pretty soon

if it ain't RR, Rajam, or UTD then gtfo

Omni, you're one of the ones branching. Town was practically in agreement that RR should die, look at the vote trends. And honestly I thought he was hammered but I suppose he wasn't.

I'm with Pierce on not wanting any more claims.

It's Rajam and RR on the chopping block here. Why you would want to go for Rajam over RR is COMPLETELY beyond me. The fact that you want to turn this 180 onto UTD and SO DOES RR does not look good for either of you.

 

[CT Chia]

Okay, well in that case, let's just lynch Rajam. I think he's town, but I wouldn't hate to lynch him either way really, especially on Day 1. I plan to deal with Zac later, because we don't have enough time to deal with it ToDay, and an additional claim today will give scum more information than I want them to have before we have ANY information off flips.

That being said, let's lynch Rajam if he's the consensus over RR. I know Hilt will disagree though. I hope we don't spend another day arguing over this topic.

How is the consensus Rajam over RR? You're just buying into what mainly Omni and RR was saying, and RR's word should be completely disregarded since he's on the chopping block as well, so we obviously wants anyone else lynched.

Pierce, RR was practically tasting death. You know he's the more favored, stick to your thoughts and reads and don't succumb to others.

I don't really want to kill Rajam, because my gut says he's town right now.

There is no reason why you should be deviated from that barring MAJOR convincing, which I have not seen.

 

[T-block]

@T-block, did you miss OS's response regarding the accuracy of the OP?

I did not. I'm trying to find out whether he thinks it's okay for players in his game to target colours. I can't imagine why any mod would, so if that's the case, and if he intentionally left the sample role PM out of the OP, then it's likely he made sure that scum knew the colour of town.

 

[CT Chia]

I want you dead because you exhibited the most amount of inactivity Day 1.

What is wrong with you???

We have two players claimed and one of them posted the complete wrong color. The two claimed people posted different colors.

Sure, RR could have forgotten the correct color, it's a possibility. But you're honestly willing to let that slide out the window and just go for generic inactive lynch #47?

Inactive lynches on day 1 are good when there is nothing else to work off of, and we certainly have more to work off of.

Someone please summarize the case on UTD in one post to convince me and everyone else that there is even a chance that it could be better than R/RR

 

[UTDZac]

@Mod, Is the link under "Smashboards Mafia Archives: This archive includes examples of past Mafia games in Decisive Games." in the OP incorrect?

 

[Pierce7d]

@chibo


LOL @ you asking me why I want one, in the midst of the suggestions for us to utilize lack of role PM. Let's just play clean is all I'm saying. Don't punish the players because the mod is at fault. If I were Mafia, and I died to something as dumb as that, I'd be upset.

As for rajam over RR, I switched my vote because both omni and t-block favored rajam, and at this point I think it's counter productive to split towns votes.

However, you, myself, and hilt all seem to want rr dead. T-block, thoughts?

unvote

 

[Omni]

I'm not branching. I'm referring to the votes on Pado and Shaya.

 

[CT Chia]

Until I see a concise case on UTD, I'm considering votes on him branching as well.

 

[Omni]

Idc. Lol. i like lynching inactives. they're always gonna be needs to die list