Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[Tin Man]

Vote: Red Ryu

 

[CT Chia]

I thought RR was hammered

 

[UTDZac]

@Tin Man, on a scale from 1-100 (100 being most likely), how likely do you think Rajam being town is?

 

[Shaya]

Don't leave me hanging with my post on Chibo.


@Rajam
Lynching anti-town is pretty good when there aren't scum slips to fall on.
Pressuring/wagoning/voting anti-town when there is little else in terms of information gets you somewhere.

I have a similar routine, I'm more likely to want to lynch useless/coasting players because that stops **** happening like in BBRM (which I came in late and the only player with actual posts were Raziek which had minor scumish slips, but no one else had even posted enough to really make cases for). I've been saying it for a while now, UTD's coasting seems off, I even wanted to call him DMGv2 in my last post and point out how quickly we moved to a DMG quick lynch out of no where in FF5.

A townie player would at least post pasting thoughts, scum/anti-town have to calculate/formulate their replies a lot more. JUST SAYING.
Not sure Zac would be lynched today but I think he's a strong pick for tomorrow.

tl;dr anti-town players are sooo good to lynch early game, because scum likes to keep them in the game anyway (they aren't going to NK them, why would they?). Keeping anti-town players in the game allows scum to make easy cases against them rather than getting caught out in proper pressure/play.

If anti-town players stay in the game too long, we'll get a repeat of BBRM, GUARANTEED.

 

[Krystedez]

I tried already, there is no point when town at this point made up there mind.

I'm a liability in Lylo and flipping is better for my info.

Unvote

Omni if you really think I am town, then I really don't know what to say at this point. People who are dumb enough to think I am scum at this point do, OMG ATE LOL, don;t give a damn right now about ATE right now.

Hilt for some magical reason thinks I'm scum.

Raziek buys Rajam's claim in a heartbeat and thinks I'm lying.

UTD is scum trying to bandwagon on.

Your getting rid of liabilities.

Kryz wants to lynch to wagon with his scummate UTD.

If RR's role is true, his information is still solid (not to mention pretty useless this early but w/e). So if he flips town, greeeat for him. But it pisses me off that if he does end up town, he ended up having to claim so early and dying anyways. His role would have been a good gambit at a later time. I'm with Hilt here, saying that it would extremely useful or extremely useless back some posts back. This is the time when it's currently extremely useless.

RR, you may have been experimenting, and I kinda feel bad for you if you aren't lying. But really, that role would have been extremely useful when claim wars start happening later in-game. You could have been quiet and got town on the right road in later days.

Ugh, coulda shoulda woulda, goin back to my x86 stuff.

 

[Tin Man]

@Tin Man, on a scale from 1-100 (100 being most likely), how likely do you think Rajam being town is?

Damn. Thats gonna require some specifics lol. Ok well to make it easier on me, I'll treat it on a scale of 1-10. now I believe that he is town more than he is scum, so thats all ready 50 points right there. There still isn't much to go off of though. So I will say between 6-7, being a 6.5 which translates to a 65 on your scale.

 

[Overswarm]

Vote count:

UTD Zac- Pierce,
Red Ryu - Hilt, UTDZac, Raziek, ChiboSempai, Tin Man,
Omni - Rajam,
Rajam - T-block,

Note Voting: Shaya, Pado, Krystedez, Red Ryu, Omni,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST


@mod: If a non-town player were to PM you asking you what the town colour was, would you give an answer?

All information about the game is given in the first post. I only clarify information, not grant new information.

 

[T-block]

@mod: Was it intentional to have nothing after "Sample Role PM:" then?

 

[T-block]

That does make me more inclined to believe Rajam more than Red Ryu at this point. I am also somewhat convinced Rajam is town while I am somewhat convinced RR is scum.

^Most relevant part of Tin Man's post imo... just quoting it here so people take note.

Waiting on Pado and then I'll be okay with the day ending.

 

[Overswarm]

@mod: Was it intentional to have nothing after "Sample Role PM:" then?



All information about the game is given in the first post. I only clarify information, not grant new information.

 

[Krystedez]

In other words, of course it was :/

Just finished my first part of this stupid x86 assignment. I'll be able to run through a few things tonight if we are still reviewing before a lynch has been made.

 

[T-block]

I feel uncomfortable clearing Rajam based on colour alone then.

 

[UTDZac]

I feel uncomfortable clearing Rajam based on colour alone then.

So you think he just got lucky picking the weird color of blue?

 

[T-block]

Wait, I misunderstood the mod's response. My bad.

I still think he's hiding something about his role, but I believe he is town now.

 

[Padô]

@T-Block

Woah bro, I just caught everything up and I counted 5 posts from you asking for my answer.

Well, I believe their claims. Everyone has the option to believe on what other people say.

Rajam's claim seem to be a lot more consistent since his bread crumbing was legit and about Red Ryu... As I said on a post of mine, everything he done in this game everything he said (all the misleading and bull**** stuff) was so scummy that I hardly believe someone who's actually scum is going to say all this **** (you must really really dumb if you say all this) and then suddenly come up with a claim like this one although he being pretty dumb at the role color (only a detail IMO) I still believe he's town.

I'm against RR getting lynched because of his claims role color. But it would be comprehensible if he dies because all the **** he posted.

 

[T-block]

Thanks Pado. I only pushed it so hard because a lot of people wanted to end the day early for some reason.

I'm fine with day ending now (although I still think we can use the rest if it goes on).

Wouldn't mind hearing why Omni wants the day to end so fast.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Where is this content UTD said he would bring up?

I'm waiting.

 

[Pierce7d]

I think Rajam is town. While I hate to play Mafia this way, as I don't feel it's in the spirit of the game, I think
I was pleased to see RR build a case on Pado, but then he just started falling back into his typical garbage.

Mainly referring to the last paragraph along with the other post you made about Rajam's ability, suggesting that he gets clues towards it. I'm wondering why it was necessary to say that. Giving such information seems to help out Rajam. Are you entirely sure he is town? I'm fairly certain you have not posted saying that you are sure he is town (unless I am mistaken). You've said that you haven't voted for him, but I'm also pretty certain you didn't say that was because you thought he'd be town.

Just doing a tiny bit of flavor speculation. Typical for me to do after a flip. I like to speak the thoughts that come through my mind.

Rajam, please answer my question. Considering your breadcrumbs, than my speculation which coincidentally said you might claim something weird like Toadofsky, and seeing as how I didn't vote for you, why did you not assume I picked up on your breadcrumbs, instead of pinning me as a scum pick?

Why do you need one

so super crazy serious about that question like my eyes are in anticipation of reading the answer

I don't. The role color is already out in the open, so if I were scum, I wouldn't even bother bringing this to light. I just honestly don't feel pinning scum like this is in the spirit of the game. I'm not going to DQ Ally because he's Canadian.

 

[Pierce7d]

EDIT: I said RR's case on Pado, but I meant UTD

 

[Rajam]

I think Rajam is town. While I hate to play Mafia this way, as I don't feel it's in the spirit of the game, I think
I was pleased to see RR build a case on Pado, but then he just started falling back into his typical garbage.



Just doing a tiny bit of flavor speculation. Typical for me to do after a flip. I like to speak the thoughts that come through my mind.

Rajam, please answer my question. Considering your breadcrumbs, than my speculation which coincidentally said you might claim something weird like Toadofsky, and seeing as how I didn't vote for you, why did you not assume I picked up on your breadcrumbs, instead of pinning me as a scum pick?



I don't. The role color is already out in the open, so if I were scum, I wouldn't even bother bringing this to light. I just honestly don't feel pinning scum like this is in the spirit of the game. I'm not going to DQ Ally because he's Canadian.

I don't understand very well this question, but here goes my response of what I'm getting:
tbh I don't remember when you said I could claim something weird like Toadofsky, maybe I skimmed that part, but even if I read it, I would've thought nothing since I didn't remember at all my character-name; I only remembered my character was a Toad, a musician, and my abilities. So, there was no way I could've thought you were actually picking on my bcrumb, hence my oppinion of you wasn't affected by that.

And btw, are you saying you picked on my bcrumb?

My suspicion on you is basically because of what I responded to T-block some posts ago: at best (ie: if you're town) you've made a huge deal in what I consider you got biased by my initial play, and instead of telling me to stop and play better, you started to make things bigger and bigger like if I were almost confirmed scum. I never wanted to claim because I was frustrated at how dumb and scummy imo the wagon grew.

 

[Tin Man]

I'm not going to DQ Ally because he's Canadian.

Oh ****

 

[Rajam]

Also, about the color thing:

OS uses the same colors in all of his games, at least of the games I've seen of him hosting: blue for town. I consider RR posting his role in green is more of a quick lapsus instead of actually something scummy. Again, if anything the color thing only cleared Raziek as town imo due to how he fast-reacted to this situation and also because I guess it's his first time playing an OS' game.

@Omni: This is Pado's third game if I'm correct. At worst is his 2nd. Don't put the "new" label on him much.

Shaya: who's the pick toDay? Why maybe not Zac toDay after that speech saying lynching inactives/anti-town players early is good?

Zac: If Ryu flips scum, who do you think are his potential scum-partners?

 

[Pierce7d]

I don't understand very well this question, but here goes my response of what I'm getting:
tbh I don't remember when you said I could claim something weird like Toadofsky, maybe I skimmed that part, but even if I read it, I would've thought nothing since I didn't remember at all my character-name; I only remembered my character was a Toad, a musician, and my abilities. So, there was no way I could've thought you were actually picking on my bcrumb, hence my oppinion of you wasn't affected by that.

And btw, are you saying you picked on my bcrumb?

My suspicion on you is basically because of what I responded to T-block some posts ago: at best (ie: if you're town) you've made a huge deal in what I consider you got biased by my initial play, and instead of telling me to stop and play better, you started to make things bigger and bigger like if I were almost confirmed scum. I never wanted to claim because I was frustrated at how dumb and scummy imo the wagon grew.

As I said in my last post related to the topic, I did not pick up on your breadcrumb. Also, in addition to mentioning the role that you claimed, Shaya also pointed it out. You missed all of this? Please don't skim.

Also, I never once called anyone in this game anything near confirmed scum. If you know you're playing bad, why are you waiting for me to tell you, "Rajam, play better"? I pointed out the inconsistencies in your play.

Did you play SMRPG Rajam?

 

[Padô]

The deadline is set for 29th?

If so I'll vote UTD to make him answer our questions about him. Just a pressure vote, please someone confirm me that.

 

[Omni]

can we kill someone toDay please

 

[Rajam]

The deadline is set for 29th?

If so I'll vote UTD to make him answer our questions about him. Just a pressure vote, please someone confirm me that.

Do you have a question for Zac to respond? Also, why are you asking others if the pressure is ok or not? if you consider the pressure is deserved, then pressure, but you make the decision. I don't like this post, shows inability to decide on your own, and trying to put a vote on Zac despite it seems you aren't much convinced about it

 

[Omni]

also dont clear people based on that color crap. i've had plenty of mods grant me safe name claims and sometimes even safe role claims

@rajam: u dont like his post. ok. is it scummy or do you simply dislike it

 

[Rajam]

@Pierce: I played the game like three years ago but I didn't finish it.

 

[Pierce7d]

Alright, so what is the play today?

Also, I want clear stances from everyone where they stand on how they feel about Rajam, and how they feel about RR

For instance:
I think Rajam is town. I think it's extremely unlikely that he would post the correct color of blue even AFTER RR posted the incorrect color Green. Additionally, I don't think scum would make up such an elaborate role in the face of being lynched.

I have a null tell on Red Ryu, but I would feel comfortable lynching him, to confirm his information, and since we have few better plays.

I do not want to force any additional claims today.

 

[Omni]

ew @ clearing people based off town color mechanics.

rajam or utd can get the pipe today

 

[Rajam]

also dont clear people based on that color crap. i've had plenty of mods grant me safe name claims and sometimes even safe role claims

@rajam: u dont like his post. ok. is it scummy or do you simply dislike it

both

Also, started to re-read from the very beginning, taking a new approach while re-reading some stuff. I'll mostly try to seek for disconnections (ie. A and B disconnected => A and B are not both scum). So far I got:

Strong disconnections:
Raziek and Red Ryu (#95,#96,#97,#100,#102,#110,#113,#116,#117,#119)
Red Ryu and T-block (#95,#96,#100,#109,#112,#115,#117,#118)

Disconnections:
Omni and Raziek (#84,#85,#86)

Slight disconnections:
Omni and T-block (#83,#87,#88)
Omni and Red Ryu (#101,#105,#107)
Raziek and Zigsta (#74)

I'm by post 120 so I've got only this. Once I come up with more I'll add them.

 

[Omni]

since OS didn't provide a sample PM im pretty sure we can break this game

for example

let's just ask the scummiest player what their win condition says, lol

 

[Omni]

even tho we shouldn't we can leave it as an option later

i am surprised tho that Overswarm didn't just update the OP with a sample PM as opposed to stating, "i can't give new information; i just clarify information already stated". i guess the concept of information that was suppose to exist but apparently omitted somehow counts as new information

 

[Pierce7d]

both

Also, started to re-read from the very beginning, taking a new approach while re-reading some stuff. I'll mostly try to seek for disconnections (ie. A and B disconnected => A and B are not both scum). So far I got:

Strong disconnections:
Raziek and Red Ryu (#95,#96,#97,#100,#102,#110,#113,#116,#117,#119)
Red Ryu and T-block (#95,#96,#100,#109,#112,#115,#117,#118)

Disconnections:
Omni and Raziek (#84,#85,#86)

Slight disconnections:
Omni and T-block (#83,#87,#88)
Omni and Red Ryu (#101,#105,#107)
Raziek and Zigsta (#74)

I'm by post 120 so I've got only this. Once I come up with more I'll add them.

When you say disconnections, what do you mean? Like, two players opposing each other or trying to accuse the other of being scum? Or just like, preferring a separate course of action? I don't really feel Omni and Raziek are disconnected at all, LOL.

And a re-read from the beginning of this long game?! Phew! Simply . . . AMAZING! Especially considering you might get lynched to day if Omni has his way. I wouldn't do it, considering how active the game is likely to get in today (hopefully, if yesterday is any indication).

I mean, I plan to do a reread myself, but like, in the night phase, when there's not new posts to deal with.

@Omni
I am town, and I can say the town win condition right now if asked, but I'd rather not play Mafia like that. It kills the point of playing the game to me.

 

[Rajam]

since OS didn't provide a sample PM im pretty sure we can break this game

for example

let's just ask the scummiest player what their win condition says, lol

We can break it even more, asking a player things like "what's the 5th and 12th words in your win con", so we can still abuse this win-cond thing with more players asking for different words #s.

Pretty sure that's broken and against the rules though

 

[Pierce7d]

EBWOP: Unless you're merely joking and trying to get OS to understand why it's important to put a Sample Role PM

 

[Overswarm]

Vote count:

UTD Zac- Pierce,
Red Ryu - Hilt, UTDZac, Raziek, ChiboSempai, Tin Man,
Omni - Rajam,
Rajam - T-block,

Note Voting: Shaya, Pado, Krystedez, Red Ryu, Omni,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

 

[Pierce7d]

Shaya's activity is like . . . -_-

Unvote

Vote: Shaya

 

[Rajam]

When you say disconnections, what do you mean? Like, two players opposing each other or trying to accuse the other of being scum? Or just like, preferring a separate course of action? I don't really feel Omni and Raziek are disconnected at all, LOL.

And a re-read from the beginning of this long game?! Phew! Simply . . . AMAZING! Especially considering you might get lynched to day if Omni has his way. I wouldn't do it, considering how active the game is likely to get in today (hopefully, if yesterday is any indication).

I mean, I plan to do a reread myself, but like, in the night phase, when there's not new posts to deal with.

@Omni
I am town, and I can say the town win condition right now if asked, but I'd rather not play Mafia like that. It kills the point of playing the game to me.

disconnection => I don't think both players are scum.

Also I'll be checking the game while I'm re-reading.

 

[Omni]

my point is if people are going to try clear players based on the color issue then the issue of clearing players on further bad OP mechanics shouldnt be a big deal

tho tbh i wouldnt put it past any mod to give scum that available information. i've played in several where i was given more than just the color in my role pm

@rajam: try to keep the disconnections to yourself. i have my own list here updated everyday for this game, but revealing them makes it harder to decipher future interactions. use it when u wanna finally make a case or you're attempting to make a paper trail to eliminate possible scum choices when a scum flip eventually does occur

@pierce: i introduced disconnections a while back but they're simply player interactions that strongly suggest the two players are not of the same faction. they're not 100% set and stone and they usually only apply early to mid Day 1. like for example i dont see RR and Hilt sharing the same faction due to the intensity and consistency of their interactions. at the same time scum can purposely create disconnections (aka distance themselves) as well. which is why it is more of a tool rather than evidence