Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[Pierce7d]

So I have come to the conclusion that town is not very likely to lynch to come to a majority consensus that any other player beside RR is to be lynched today. That's fine by me, because I don't mind lynching him.

@Shaya
I'm getting a town read on Chibo. I'm also seeing a disconnect between him and Omni. Why do you think they're both scum. Please elaborate.

As for fluff? I'm feeling fluff from nearly every direction, which is one of the reasons I want to move into Day II. We can't do much else from this vantage point without forcing a third claim, and I'm just glad we haven't already outed a major power role. Typically in Backroom Games, we lose our cop or doctor pretty early. I'd like to NOT do that this game, if it can be helped. That means no more claiming for the day.

We have enough information for Day 1 with no flips. We have a viable lynch target. I'm not trying to rush the lynch, but it's Thursday now. Deadline is tomorrow. I doubt we're going to build a case and get majority on it by tomorrow, especially with so many ideas from different people branching different directions.

At this point, I feel it's in our best interest to get real data from some flips, and then do some real scum hunting toMorrow.

Vote: Red Ryu

Please Note that RR is at L-1 now. I am fine with anyone hammering, but check with everyone else in Town to make sure they have no outstanding plays they want to resolve.

 

[Omni]

Good. You're here, Pierce.

Read Rajam's post regarding me and my response. I want your thoughts toDay.

The same goes for: Chibo, Raziek, T-Block, and Hilt. I do not understand why people cannot see how scummy this looks.

 

[Pierce7d]

I got you right now, hold up

 

[Omni]

Also, I'm cool with the lynch being today. I'll make sure RR is lynched by midnight tonight if the lynch isn't moving over to Rajam for any reason.

Oh, and Pierce, I forgot to respond but I have the galls to want to lynch UTD because being inactive/coasting is a very huge scum trait. Information is not. Lynching someone because you want to confirm information is a reason anyone can be on board for. Lynching inactives blindly is huge because it does threaten potential PR's, but at the same time, it forces scum not to lurk in the shadows or risk being lynched if they do. Don't underestimate scum's ability to avoid attention by sitting on their thumb. And don't overestimate a lynch based on information. That's my opinion and the reasons why I have the galls to take that stance.

 

[Pierce7d]

I feel like you have consistently wanted Rajam dead, and you have consistently wanted inactives pressured, like myself. I am the one who did indeed start the Zac Wagon (if you can call it a wagon) because inactives are bad.

I'm a bit surprised that all considering, you haven't cut Zac a break, considering he's been more active than Shaya, Tin Man, Raziek, and Pado these last two days. Usually, inactivity can be forgiven if it's just Day 1, and there's a reversal in activity.

I'm also surprised that you're willing to let RR off the hook so easily. I know you don't like to use color to clear people, but he did indeed post the wrong color, he's been 99% useless (he came out with that one good post when I pressured him, but then let it just fall to pieces when he realized we were going to lynch him). Overall, outside of his activity, he's been very anti-town. I can say the same for Rajam.

The reason I personally like Rajam over RR is because I like his claim more. Other than that, I feel Rajam is just . . . bad, LOL. He's very inconsistent, if he is town, he's very distracting, his plays are distracting (You, Pado, Shaya, or myself is obviously NOT going to be the play for today), so he's not really helping town along.

I agree with you in your case on Rajam, but his claim is believable, so I hesitate to lynch him.
I disagree with the way you're handling this RR wagon. Why do you think him to be town, and why are you so reluctant to lynch him.
I disagree with the way you've handled Zac
I agree that inactives need to go.

 

[Pierce7d]

I honestly don't see a shift in town today going from

"Let's lynch scummy player 1 or 2 that has been distracting town for the entire day"

to

"Hey, he's been quiet, tie a rope around his neck."

 

[Overswarm]

Vote count:

Red Ryu - Hilt, UTDZac, Raziek, ChiboSempai, Tin Man, Pierce
Rajam - T-block, Omni,
UTD Zac - Red Ryu,
Pado - Rajam,

Note Voting: Shaya, Krystedez, Pado


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

 

[Omni]

Zac is getting a lot of flak from me because I know how infamous he is for being inactive in Mafia so I won't let off on that fire until I can consistently get his views on the player's in this game. Fortunately for him he has been posting more and other players (Shaya, Hilt again) have started to fall more into the shadows.

I really dislike that you're relieving tension from Rajam based off his claim, but I suppose you buy it and I don't. Replace his doc-shot and other ability with more devious actions and he could easily be an indy/scum role. Most importantly, I don't like to focus on roles unless they are definitive and/or can easily be proved as a clear.

Lastly, I've explained this several times as well, but I'm simply not getting a strong scum vibe from, RR. Maybe I'm being ********. I don't think I am, but as I said before, his play is scary similar to his play in the previous games I was with him in LoD. It does -not- excuse him for being so anti-town which is why I don't have a problem with people wanting him lynched since the intent is justified.

 

[Shaya]

Shaya why aren't you voting?

I meant, you said lynching useless/inactives is good Day 1. Zac was inactive hence being useless. Why then you said Zac would be a good lynch toMorrow (and not toDay?)

agreed

Do you want me to end this day? Are you in a rush when Omni is still on your back?

Why not zac today? Well, as some may put it, there's not too many more hours left in the day and to have town pursue a new wagon is awkward. Also I don't think it's in town's best interests to force a third claim in one day (which would likely happen if a wagon was formed against him).

So I have come to the conclusion that town is not very likely to lynch to come to a majority consensus that any other player beside RR is to be lynched today. That's fine by me, because I don't mind lynching him.

@Shaya
I'm getting a town read on Chibo. I'm also seeing a disconnect between him and Omni. Why do you think they're both scum. Please elaborate.

You're rewording what I said Pierce, not impressed. As I stated in my last biggie, their relationship looks awkward. From the silly interaction by Chibo after Omni's "courtesy lynch threat" towards me, and while they're mentioning each other's names, they aren't addressing each other. I'm glad you brought it up again because it feels less concrete than what I recalled - if anything its an aching suspicion.

As for fluff? I'm feeling fluff from nearly every direction, which is one of the reasons I want to move into Day II.

Bit funny to read this prior to

I'm a bit surprised that all considering, you haven't cut Zac a break,

The guy is still yet to really state an opinion. Safe play from a guy who's under pressure for being inactive. However, I do agree that moving onto day two is probably a better idea on all fronts.

 

[Pierce7d]

I have not cleared Rajam. I just think RR is less clear.

 

[Shaya]

As a note, throughout nearly all of my games in every shape or form I dislike having my vote as definitive, not because I'm scared of some sort of hammer-kill (which has existed in like 3/4 OS games, but I digress) but more that timezone johns always get in the way.

I'm not going to be up for enough hours for "everyone in town confirming they're A-GO".

Honestly I could probably hammer RR right now... I think people are pretty resolved about things at this point. There's a lot of player to player threats, information and connections that already exist.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Can you restate why you think I'm scum again please?

Lack of activity earlier when you posted around the forums else where, when you picked it up I am not satisfied with how you have been posting and the posts that had content made me go "!" .

 

[Omni]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12616344&postcount=1049

into

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12618757&postcount=1075

UTD, why do I feel like you're always avoiding my questions?

 

[Pierce7d]

I'm not saying Zac's inactivity should be entirely forgiven, but as far as inactive targets go, I'd sooner hit Pado or Tin Man right now. Zac has more posts that Pado, Shaya, Zigsta+TinMan, and Hilt. Has he been inactive? Yes. Is he worth lynching over? Nah

 

[Shaya]

And how many of those posts are one liners Pierce? Let me bank up some of those because it's like printing scum money.

 

[UTDZac]

Lack of activity earlier when you posted around the forums else where, when you picked it up I am not satisfied with how you have been posting and the posts that had content made me go "!" .

Can you be specific regarding the posts that had content please? iirc you said all my posts lack content (which was one of the reasons you wanted me lynched).

/inb4copyingomni

Zac is getting a lot of flak from me because I know how infamous he is for being inactive in Mafia so I won't let off on that fire until I can consistently get his views on the player's in this game. Fortunately for him he has been posting more and other players (Shaya, Hilt again) have started to fall more into the shadows.

I totally agree / am fine with the continual pressure from Omni to ensure people are coasting / remaining inactive, even if it's me.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12616344&postcount=1049

into

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12618757&postcount=1075

UTD, why do I feel like you're always avoiding my questions?

I'm not. Like I told RR in my #1031, I really don't like how people expect an answer in my very next post. It prevents me from posting ANYTHING until I answer your questions, which imo can cause inactivity. Have I not eventually, and in a timely manner, answered your questions Omni?

The guy is still yet to really state an opinion. Safe play from a guy who's under pressure for being inactive. However, I do agree that moving onto day two is probably a better idea on all fronts.

Does this not count as stating an opinion?

Unvote
Vote: Red Ryu

Sorry for my absence.

@Tinman, how many forum mafia games have you played before this one?

I've only gotten to read the past few pages so far. Here are my reads:

Raz town
Hilt town
Raj town
Tin man town
Red ryu scum

Explanation of my reads from earlier:

Raz town
The post where I said a bunch of my reads I made while laying in bed reading over this game for 30min. I was tired but was able to come up with reasons for my reads. Since then I've forgotten why I thought Raz was town (see one of my previous posts). I went back and looked and found why I initially saw Raz as town, his #723 where he says "The second I will reveal in due time." I quickly assumed he knew what the correct town color was, blue, which allowed him to say Rajam was town and RR was scum (for making it up). He then reveal his 2nd second in his #743, "Red Ryu claimed the wrong town color, Rajam claimed the correct one. That's why I knew immediately" which matched my thinking.

Hilt town
Hilt talking about Rajam lynch in his #658 and #673 followed by his #694 make it seem like he's not quite sure what to do. I get a town vibe from this.

Raj town
We know this is an OS game, and we know OS likes to experiment with fun, flavorful roles (see any of his past games). I find his role claim to be quite believable. And to top it off, he apparently picked the right color of blue even without a sample PM, which I find unlikely for scum to do.

Tin man town
Waiting on him to answer my question first.

Red ryu scum
Explained why early. Add to that with him wanting to make a case on me now.

 

[T-block]

@Omni:

I agree that Rajam has the wrong impression about your play. A lot of what he said does not align with my thoughts on your play, and I look forward to his response to your request to use quotes to back up his reasoning.

@Rajam:

You said one of the reasons why Omni is scum is that he is "willing to lynch useless and scummies alike". Please explain how this is a scumtell. Who are the useless players in your eyes? Who are the scummy ones? Do you think Omni is scummates with the scummy players then? And how does this point at all to Omni being an Indy? Your reasoning doesn't make sense.

@those who think Rajam is town:

Do you have any reasoning other than colour name and likelihood of role?

 

[T-block]

Zac's fine - I don't know why you guys are on his case so hard.

 

[Pierce7d]

Outside of that stuff, my read on Rajam is Dumb Null. His play is bad. I don't know if it's scummy bad, or town bad, but it's bad all the same.

Also, if you were under the impression that I look at post count exclusively to measure your activity, you'd be mistaken. I daresay I'm one of the most active players in the game, so I think I would be able to measure activity of others fairly accurately. I put pressure on Zac, he started talking. He had a reason for being inactive. He talked all day when he got back. Then all of yesterday, and now he's working on today. If he starts to slip up again, you can bet your bottom dollar I'll be right back on top of him alongside Omni, but for now, if I'm to focus on inactives, I'm looking at Pado and Hilt.

 

[Pierce7d]

And of course, Shaya as well, I mentioned that earlier several times. Shaya always says something interesting, so I let him slide a lot, but his activity and pressure is low and weak.

 

[Shaya]

Does this not count as stating an opinion?

The former is like me saying

"inactive person x is town
inactive person y is town
semi-active person z is scum (like a good majority of players think"

the latter was better .

-

And Pierce,
as Red Ryu even pointed out, Zac was posting a lot. I play this game called League of Legends, which Zac also plays. He was on that quite a bit. Maybe that's why I'm still sceptical of him.

You were willing to throw a vote on me earlier Pierce, the game situation has hardly changed.
How do you feel about Hilt's earlier RR pressure? How would you think about Hilt and Omni depending on what RR flips?

 

[UTDZac]

Was re-reading again and spotted this.

Ok, might as well do reads again.

1) Rajam - Null, I want to see where his role could go and it's not unplausable considering the person in question. If he is scum, I think coming up with a fake claim like this is way too complicated to be scum.

(then later)

@Everyone: Get your votes off Rajam and I, this is Town vs Town, mislynches are bad even on D1.

Go for a better lynch like UTD or Kryz.

First you say he's null, then say he's town O.o?

 

[Pierce7d]

The former is like me saying

"inactive person x is town
inactive person y is town
semi-active person z is scum (like a good majority of players think"

the latter was better .

-

And Pierce,
as Red Ryu even pointed out, Zac was posting a lot. I play this game called League of Legends, which Zac also plays. He was on that quite a bit. Maybe that's why I'm still sceptical of him.

You were willing to throw a vote on me earlier Pierce, the game situation has hardly changed.
How do you feel about Hilt's earlier RR pressure? How would you think about Hilt and Omni depending on what RR flips?

Since I voted you, you've been posting more, and the day has come closer to the deadline. I would consider that a change in the situation.

Pressure on RR or Rajam at this point is virtually null. It's easy to do, and is the staple of the day, which is why I want to lynch RR and move to day 2. Any scum can hide by doing it. It hardly even creates a disconnect at this point.

As far as your final question goes, I'm not trying to dodge it, but I would want to do an extensive reread before giving a more adamant opinion. If RR flips scum, we can definitely say that I'll be looking very closely at Omni, especially if Rajam later flips town.

 

[UTDZac]

If I remember, most people seem to think his claim is more believable and Overswarm-like. (1) Whom are you talking about? And the doc claim being a popular choice for scum doesn't apply here. (2) What are you referring to?

So you're comfortable with Rajam because... of the way he uses quotes... and usage of color... but not in terms of how he is scumhunting? I forgive you for the confusion, but now I'm confused. (3) How can you be okay with someone who's acting 'natural' when that 'natural' style is semantics and null-tells? (4) Do you have anything to say about his playstyle in terms of scumhunting? The reason why I ask is because this is what I'm getting at: I do see a difference.

(1) Specifics are hard. There are so many people that flip-flop on and off of Rajam (notably T-block). You, however, are the only one that's truly consistent for his lynch (by consistent I mean before and after his and RR's claim).

(2) I was referring to you telling me early how this type of role claim is a popular choice for scum players. Not sure why it doesn't apply here

(3) Because it's just that, null-tells. I don't see Rajam as a threat

(4) No, as I've never payed much attention to his playstyle in terms of scumhunting before. Or if I did it was very little and I don't recall how he plays.

 

[Pierce7d]

Rajam's scum hunting is consistently trash, so it's pretty hard to get a tell off of that -__-

 

[Shaya]

Since I voted you, you've been posting more, and the day has come closer to the deadline. I would consider that a change in the situation.

Misinterpretation. What I meant is, the situation of the game 'as a whole' hasn't changed much (i.e. RR imminent lynch), but you were willing to throw a vote on me then, but not others now .

As far as your final question goes, I'm not trying to dodge it, but I would want to do an extensive reread before giving a more adamant opinion. If RR flips scum, we can definitely say that I'll be looking very closely at Omni, especially if Rajam later flips town.

Hilt and Omni have been quite contrasting on RR, and were so prior to colours/claims. It's pretty much the high point of information of the day. Who ignored it? Who changed?

The fact that Zac missed SMRM Genesis is so annoying, you have no idea. Others missed it too.

I'm really tired now and will likely be going to sleep. I look forward to the 500~ posts I'll see in the morning and to then have someone go "WHERES SHAYA?".

 

[UTDZac]

What's SRSM genesis?

 

[Pierce7d]

I think he means, the beginning of this game Zac

Also, Shaya, like I said, it's nearer to the end of day. I'm out of time to pressure inactives.

 

[Krystedez]

]

Honestly I could probably hammer RR right now... I think people are pretty resolved about things at this point. There's a lot of player to player threats, information and connections that already exist.

I think he means, the beginning of this game Zac

Also, Shaya, like I said, it's nearer to the end of day. I'm out of time to pressure inactives.

To whoever asked my why my vote wasn't being used, it's because I wanted to get something else out of the discussion before someone potentially hammered RR.

It seems like this is going nowhere.

I don't know anymore about both Rajam and RR, I think they're both null now, after so long of bickering and going back and forth along with the role claims, color business, and other wagon seeking...

I'd definitely put RR on the noose before Rajam though because his info can be proven useful and lead to some interesting reads Day 2. His flip won't be the BEST flip though, unless we get a scum AND deconfirm some of his info. Somewhat. Rajam's flip, may be extremely useless for us (so we lost a VT essentially, he can play music and gets doctor/bullet-proof powers yay...) or extremely helpful (if he was lying this whole time and we got a scum day 1)...

If you guys want a scummy player that shows consistent bad/scummy play, lynch Rajam.

If you guys want a scummy player that shows he is awkward and inconsistent with the info he is given, and want that info confirmed/deconfirmed, lynch RR.

Finally, other options like inactives should wait until tomorrow. Simple as that. It's obvious that we can't get another wagon going on players like that, especially when the ones we have wagoned/pressured on have actually come back and show some defense.

I'll be around tonight to seal a lynch vote, I'm not ready to lynch RR right this second until town makes a firm decision. If you guys need a hammer-er, I'll keep checking the topic and if a majority of you want this to end I'll vote. I would have kept my vote on before with no hesitation but someone ( I think T-Block ) asked to unvote so we wouldn't end the day quite yet.

 

[T-block]

Yeah, don't get on Krystedez's case for not having a vote on someone. He had a vote on RR and unvoted when I asked someone to do so.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Good lord a lot of posts were made. Time to catch up.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Zac, you never properly explained why I am scum. saying me making a case on you = scum is still OMGUS.

 

[UTDZac]

Technically I explained why in my #762.

Can you answer my question regarding specifics now?

 

[Tin Man]

I'm also surprised that you're willing to let RR off the hook so easily. I know you don't like to use color to clear people, but he did indeed post the wrong color, he's been 99% useless (he came out with that one good post when I pressured him, but then let it just fall to pieces when he realized we were going to lynch him). Overall, outside of his activity, he's been very anti-town. I can say the same for Rajam.

iirc, Omni said that Red Ryu is town but anti-town. Why wouldn't we want to remove Anti-Town players from the game? They're not helpful to town. From what i can tell, the only good thing about anti-town is that they aren't mafia and can't kill in the night. But that doesn't seem like enough of a reason to excuse someone for being anti-town. Just another reason Red Ryu should go.

 

[Omni]

Anti-town does not mean a person is not scum.

A pro-town player can be scum. An anti-town player can be town. Normally, anti-town players are people you want to keep out of LYLO and are left alive by scum (if town) because they become more of a liability than an asset for town. This same concept applies to inactives since inactives can be both town and scum.

Tin Man, do you personally find RR's actions to be scummy? That is, do you think he is scum and if so why?

 

[Tin Man]

There is the colour issue With Red Ryu's claim. I also have problems with Red Ryu's overall attitude. The fact that he attempts to get himself lynched twice. And now I find it funny that when he actually has the chance to do so, he won't do himself in.

Lynch me already.

There is no point anymore, just let the mislynch happen to confirm my info.

A 3rd post of Red Ryu wanting to die. What happened all of a sudden?

Also with his attitude, posts like

Bull**** Hilt, I've said exactly why I want lynches on people, stop talking and lynch yourself.

and

He's making up bull**** on the spot and being uncooperative, lynch him!

His inability to keep his cool bothers me.

Then finally there is his anti-town behavior which most people seem to be able to notice.

 

[Omni]

Do any of those things make you think he is scum?

 

[Tin Man]

They all give me a somewhat scummy impression of him.

 

[Omni]

Wh y?

 

[Tin Man]

Did I fail to make myself clear in my posts? I believe I expressed my confusion in his lynch strategy as well as me disliking his attitude, with the colour situation added on.