Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[Omni]

Vote: Red Ryu

Later, bro.

 

[UTDZac]

@Krys, can you tell me the resolution I came to on my Tin Man read?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Guys if your going to go through with lynching me, do it.

@Omni: Don't worry my friend, my death had brought so much before I die, and I have no regrets for it anymore I am ready to pass into the afterlife, before I cross over, watch the ones I called scum watch the ones I looked at if you. And thank you for lynching me

@Raziek:

@ Everyone else: If your town, good luck.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Nah just consider this lolmafia Raziek, have fun bro.

 

[Raziek]

You frustrate me so much sometimes.

If you were Town, try to suck less next time. :l

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Remember this is mafia so have

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You frustrate me so much sometimes.

If you were Town, try to suck less next time. :l

Just chat with Yink on Aim, makes all your troubles go away.

 

[Raziek]

Just chat with Yink on Aim, makes all your troubles go away.

Skyping with her at this very moment.

 

[Krystedez]

Well, RR, did you have fun? That's my last question before you perish.

I actually was hesitant on hammering you because I feel like you've been playing town strongly for someone who did so weird to start. My case on you was a lot of fluff and repeated stuff... But I was ready to do what town wanted at this point, and getting on with it.

I need to get better at scum hunting, I'm not happy with how your lynch came out; without anyone else under the screw and with just the same info we had from the beginning... Still, I'm still gunna be happy to find out your info was true or not, should help us Day 2.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Skyping with her at this very moment.

Tell her I said hi.

@Kryz: I did, it was well worth it.

Man I've never done a psuedo trolling of town before, lol, but yeah it got all this posting done which is great for town to look at and analyze.

Oh and don't worry, I'll flip town and the role I said I guarantee that.

 

[Pierce7d]

Honestly, 2 pages all day while I was out, and all trash. Sweet.

 

[Pierce7d]

@ RR

Also, I wish you would've spent less time trolling, and more time scumhunting. The ONE post where you did so, it was pretty legit, and if you would've kept on it, I would've been fine keeping you alive, and backing Omni, but you didn't give me anything to work with.

 

[Pierce7d]

Yeah, so night, it should only last until Sunday. I don't see why everyone can't get in a measly night action by Sunday.

 

[CT Chia]

I really dislike that you're relieving tension from Rajam based off his claim, but I suppose you buy it and I don't. Replace his doc-shot and other ability with more devious actions and he could easily be an indy/scum role. Most importantly, I don't like to focus on roles unless they are definitive and/or can easily be proved as a clear.

How could it possibly be scum or indy?

It's not going to be indy, as a player can't be left on their own in a faction with the chance of a power. It would basically be one of the hardest roles to play. The mini game he explained is tough enough as it is. It's basically like making an indy player who is VT lol. EVERY indy player in every game has at least something, even a one-shot BP to help them out.

Scum? Not likely. The chance of making a scum player more powerful is devastating. It makes it too swingy giving the group that is in the advantage naturally either a normal goon or a strong power player. The role fits town as it is, with town players being more expendable, much higher chance of dieing at night, no one to watch your back, etc. And giving a town player a chance at a good role makes sense, since they are the faction at the natural disadvantage.

Omni, you've mentioned a few times some meta thoughts on both UTD and RR. Do you know which games you've been in with them? I can't imagine too many with RR tbqh. Or at least, what was your most recent game with each of them besides this?

 

[CT Chia]

From the silly interaction by Chibo after Omni's "courtesy lynch threat" towards me, and while they're mentioning each other's names, they aren't addressing each other. I'm glad you brought it up again because it feels less concrete than what I recalled - if anything its an aching suspicion.

What? Did you miss my case on him where I drilled the crap out of him and we had that exchange?

 

[CT Chia]

I have not cleared Rajam. I just think RR is less clear.

This is important to keep in mind.

Especially with my analysis above, is there a chance Rajam could be scum? Sure. I just really really doubt it. I really don't think anyone is going to devise such an intricate fake claim, neither the player nor the mod. The claim provided is also VERY town like, not scum nor indy for the reasons I provided.

RR's claim on the other hand, VERY fakeable.

 

[Krystedez]

@ RR

Also, I wish you would've spent less time trolling, and more time scumhunting. The ONE post where you did so, it was pretty legit, and if you would've kept on it, I would've been fine keeping you alive, and backing Omni, but you didn't give me anything to work with.

Don't worry, he didn't give any of us enough to work with. Again, I would have been fine hammering him, but generally I feel like a lot of his shenanigans could have proven useful for DAY ONE if it had actually turned up any leads. Still, at least it's all there for Day 2.

 

[CT Chia]

As a note, throughout nearly all of my games in every shape or form I dislike having my vote as definitive, not because I'm scared of some sort of hammer-kill (which has existed in like 3/4 OS games, but I digress) but more that timezone johns always get in the way.

I'm not going to be up for enough hours for "everyone in town confirming they're A-GO".

Honestly I could probably hammer RR right now... I think people are pretty resolved about things at this point. There's a lot of player to player threats, information and connections that already exist.

Honestly you don't need to get town's approval on everything like this at this point. I hate this mentality from people. I think there's a metaphor of it with like stepping on egg shells or something? lol

There are way too many members at this point in the game (FIRST DAY lmao) to need to survey everyone's thoughts and opinions, and that's without mentioning that we are getting close to the deadline. That is why there is a majority vote. If you go down and hammer, no one on that lynch should oppose you doing so since they contributed to it, and that amount of people is THE MAJORITY.

People being so dreadfully careful about crap is nothing but trying to not take responsibility for something. People need to forget about OS' ridiculous roles of killing the people who lynch someone, but I suppose the BBR has had quite a scare with it lol. But THINK here... If RR is town and not lying, you won't be killed for hammering him. If you are, then he was lying about his role, and was scum or indy, and a town trade for a scum player is well worth it %'age wise.

Later on when we have enough towns people to easily survey every single player and ESPECIALLY at lylo, that is when you make sure everything is A-OK before continuing on with an action (esp since at that point one wrong vote can result in an alpha strike).

Man up and lynch him. If he ends up town, I sure won't blame you. I contributed to it.

FoS: Shaya

(^ In case ya know, people didn't pick up on me thinking that a non-committing stance or avoiding responsibility is a scumtell)

 

[CT Chia]

I don't see how his inability to keep his cool portrays him as being scummy.

The reason why I am asking is because you're not being very clear. Originally, you posted that you simply didn't like some of the things he was doing. And even to this point you are not telling me WHY his actions portray him as scum. You are simply taking an action from RR and saying it is scummy.

It does not satisfy me to hear: "His attitude is scummy to me,". Not in the least bit. You are not answering the "why" to any of those.

And you didn't like that UTD was being inactive (even though he really isn't now).

You can have the reasons if you want, it's easy for scum to do, but I'm not buying it. You don't expect someone is scum just because they are inactive. It's no different from me thinking Rajam is town just because of his claim. Actually, your situation is far worse, at least I have solid reasoning behind thinking he is town from his claim I have elaborated on. You know how many games I have been inactive and town? lmao all of them. Stuff just happens. Not posting for a day doesn't magically change your role PM (though what an awesome idea for a role )

 

[CT Chia]

Oh, and also entirely relevant, I just found Toadofsky and did the Tadpole pond composition mini-game, which is EXACTLY what Rajam described as his ability.

Each attempt, correct notes remain visible, while incorrect ones disappear. I'm confident Rajam is telling the truth with his claim.

And unless Rajam was a HUGE fan of the game (which he's not a crazy fanboy like others here), he wouldn't have been able to create this claim on his own. Means 1 of 2 things:
1. He's town
or
2. If he find out at a later point he's scum, then he has a scummate who is that knowledgeable enough of the game to create this claim for him

or

special option
3. Rajam secretly loves this game and goes to sleep every night with the original snes cartridge wrapped in his arms and isn't telling us about it

 

[CT Chia]

so whenever town feels it's necessary to hammer I'll do it

Read my recent post where I FoS Shaya

...

then hammer plz

 

[CT Chia]

TBH I really would like Hilt and Pierce to chime in, has their stance been that RR should die? I forget.

Just look at the vote count

I forget who they are voting for (I actually think both are voting for RR) but that should show their stances

 

[CT Chia]

I -kinda- feel he is town considering the effort he's putting in

Oh man putting in effort makes you auto-town? So gonna win every game forever now

 

[Shaya]

Trying hard at the last moment Chibo considering you've been pretty idle as of late?
It's like you were avoiding posting at all until someone hammered. Odd.

And what the **** is up with quoting the first part of a sentence and ignoring the rest of it? That's outright misleading Chibo.

I -kinda- feel he is town considering the effort he's putting in, but he should know that there's no chance he won't get lynched at this point.

If he was scum would he bother? Maybe, but it would be grabbing at straws. What I'm saying Chibo is that after his flip, I would -not- be surprised if he was town considering his play since the noose was pretty much placed on his head.

 

[CT Chia]

Vote: Red Ryu

Later, bro.

And now, I feel like I can die happy

Not in this game, I mean figuratively in life <_<

 

[CT Chia]

Man I've never done a psuedo trolling of town before, lol, but yeah it got all this posting done which is great for town to look at and analyze.

Well uhhh... don't
But thanks for the info! Was it worth it?

 

[CT Chia]

Trying hard at the last moment Chibo considering you've been pretty idle as of late?
It's like you were avoiding posting at all until someone hammered. Odd.

And what the **** is up with quoting the first part of a sentence and ignoring the rest of it? That's outright misleading Chibo.



If he was scum would he bother? Maybe, but it would be grabbing at straws. What I'm saying Chibo is that after his flip, I would -not- be surprised if he was town considering his play since the noose was pretty much placed on his head.

Trying hard? lmao I didn't know he was lynched until like my last 2 posts. I've been replying as I was reading.

Pretty idle? My post times went from 4/27 @ 11:23pm to 4/29 @ 1:46am. aka like 26 hours, basically one day. You're calling that pretty idle?

I quote the part I'm replying to. No need to put everything in and make my post needlessly long. What's misleading about it if people already read your post before?

His activity was interesting. First he bs'd around, and got mad votes. Then he was on the chopping block, and practically gave up, and even voted himself. Then in the nick of time, the shining hope that is known as Omni kind of stalled things out, and when it appeared that RR MIGHT not die, he started putting in mad effort, then when things started to turn his way again (for the worse) he started giving up more it seemed (since it was so close to the deadline this time). Not really a valid argument there.

 

[Shaya]

At no point did I feel that RR would avoid dying today. I don't think Omni would have felt someone else would die today either, even if he tried.

 

[CT Chia]

Then why did he try so hard? lol

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No johns Pierce or anyone else, you got 30 pages to work with, you can find scum from that, lol.

Time for me to see my maker.

 

[Krystedez]

Read my recent post where I FoS Shaya

...

then hammer plz

Well, even if hammering doesn't fall on my shoulders anymore, I still read your post and take note of it. Maybe if I had thought like that this entire time I wouldn't have made such a big deal about the possibility of Rajam being a trap.

not like it matters now anymore, since everyone's inclined to think he's town.

Ugh, this paper isn't lookin good. Loggin out for good for the night...

 

[Shaya]

Then why did he try so hard? lol

Because...
as I suggested

MAYBE he's ACTUALLY town?

 

[Pierce7d]

No johns Pierce or anyone else, you got 30 pages to work with, you can find scum from that, lol.

Time for me to see my maker.

30 pages of your bull**** =/= extra super secret scum seeking cannon

Play better.

 

[Omni]

no longer like chibo. focuses way too much on flavor/claims. no player/player interaction.

how do you not know what games ive been in with RR when i have stated it at least 2-3 in this game AND you were in one maybe both of those games i mentioned

 

[Omni]

Then why did he try so hard? lol

wtf why did i try so hard to look for other reads?

why didnt u barely try at all, Chibo

 

[CT Chia]

i said that because i took it as shaya saying that you figured there was no way anyone but RR would be lynched

its me asking the question to shaya for him saying that. not for me personally wondering why u did.

and so what if i did a lot of talk on his role, that's what was important now. look at the facts omni.

 

[Omni]

you're still a scrub at mafia.

or you know what you're doing and you're deliberately focusing on claims and game mechancis.

dont act like u didnt primarily tunnel and focus on RR the entire Day. and your reasoning was mainly based on flips and how u think the game was structured.

either way your reads are poopy. really poopy.

 

[CT Chia]

Yes, I tunneled him after the claim business

It was coming down to RR or Rajam

I used the claim business to discern between the two

You can act on reads all you want which is great to find scum out of large pool of people when you're blindfolded
But when facts are presented, it's best to act on them, it's solid stuff town can work off of, and we use our intelligence to decipher it. Scum starts off at an advantage because they have factual evidence. They know who is on their side and who isn't. When we can get our hands on some concrete info, I plan to use it. The information in this situation being:
1. What RR claimed
2. What Rajam claimed
Something we can (hopefully) assume: If either of them are town, then they are not lying about their claim.

Then you take that and see what you can get out of it. I was on the same line as Pierce that I did not want to see a third claim in the day. Because of this, we couldn't (well... shouldn't) have pushed a third person to lynch. Plus I'm sure that based on the play of both RR and R, no one would be terribly hurt over either one of them being lynched.

Facts we can stem from the above 2 (and a half) points:
1. RR is either scum or (basically) a VT now
2. R's claim is intricate
3. R's claim matches flavor perfectly
4. RR's claim can EASILY be faked by scum
among more

Then you can break these down even further to another level, such as breaking down point 2 there into the possibilities of what an intricate claim means, which I deciphered out in a recent post to where I think only a townsperson would do that.

etc etc

That's my thought process when we have information at hand. We use what we can to create new information and come to the most favored outcome from it. Now when we have a large lynch pool and nothing solid to go off of, by all means go scumhunt crazy. But think about it, everytime someone is pushed to claim, everyone else evaluates such nature of the claim, it's just that perhaps I do it a bit more drawn out than the rest of you as my style.

Agree with me or not, that's the best way to approach it imo.

 

[Overswarm]

Final Vote count:

Red Ryu - Hilt, UTDZac, Raziek, ChiboSempai, Tin Man, Pierce, Omni,
Rajam - T-block,
UTD Zac - Red Ryu,
Pado - Rajam,

Note Voting: Shaya, Krystedez, Pado


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Red Ryu (Frogfucius, Wise Townie) has been lynched!

Night 1 begins!
Night Actions are due by Monday, May 2nd, at 3 p.m. EST

(I generally don't let deadlines end on weekends)

 

[Overswarm]

Chibo (Booster, town bus driver) has been killed!

T-block (Smithy, Mafia Boss) has been killed!


Day Two begins!
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Wednesday, May 11th, at 3:00 p.m.

Not voting: Rajam, Raziek, UTDZac, Krystedez, Zigsta, Omni, Pierce, Pado, Hilt, Shaya