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Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

Krystedez

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Just a little question for you Raz again, and I might hazard to guess who you are, but not right now.

You think they're scumbuddies? Not a chance, no scumteam is THIS dumb. Not in a 13-man game.

Explain "Lethal scum" and "Dumb scum", please. I've seen Ryu as scum, he's not this stupid.
Would you say your stance on Ryu is significantly changed because of this double claim, and that he may very well be playing obv-scum / bad town in order to make you think he's town this game, contrary to your meta-based theory?
 

DtJ Hilt

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What's off for you about RR's claim, Hilt?

Flavor-wise, Frogfucius is more likely to be in the game than Toadofsky btw imo.
Also, a town player knowing characters that are or aren't in the game is either worthless (in the situation where these characters aren't mafia's safe claims), or stupid good (in the situation where mafia's safe claims aren't safe.
Don't give me that "X is more likely to be in the game than Y" bull.
 

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My stance changed because of two main reasons:

The first is that Red Ryu's claim is short, and poorly detailed, while Rajam's smells much more like an OS role. This is further compounded by Rajam's reluctancy to claim, given that he can potentially obtain bulletproof status and doctor powers.

The second I will reveal in due time.
 

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Don't give me that "X is more likely to be in the game than Y" bull.
I actually agree with this. And this is coming from the flavor flav dude that admired Smithy's henchmen early toDay. :cool:

I am willing to wait for this change of events to make an impact tomorrow further. I'm tired. I'll keep reading up and seeing if I missed anything over night but that's it. I feel pretty much like I'm exhausted ...
 

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Don't give me that "X is more likely to be in the game than Y" bull.
I mentioned it in passing.

Mario is in this Game, Bowyer is not which is why I tunneled Kryz about this because he kept speculating about that person a lot.

The four other characters are not all who they seem, meaning scum is using some of them for safe claims.
The important part is the second part imo, which falls under neither of your categories. But I'd rather let RR defend himself from here, unless you actually want to hear from me specifically.
 

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Vote count:

Hilt - UTDZac,
Rajam - Zigsta, ChiboSempai, Red Ryu,
UTD Zac- Pierce, Omni,
Red Ryu - Krystedez, Hilt, Raziek,
Omni - Rajam,

Note Voting: Shaya, T-block, Pado,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST
 

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Alright sorry for all of this everyone. With joining this game significantly later than everyone else, and having to work a lot of hours at my job and having an exam on thursday, as well as a presentation and term project (can't wait till its over...).

I've been busy, and now I've read quite a bit so I can offer my input and well play the game some more lol.

oh, i almost forgot

@Tin Man: did you read the entire Day 1 yet? if/when you have your thoughts on the game would be uber awesome
It seemed like a lot of the activity was floating around Rajam and Red Ryu, and well, it still does seem that way to be honest. Both of them claimed and well their characters ain't no Mario, Geno, Peach, Mallow, etc. So with their claims, it seems to me that they could either be telling the truth or that they picked roles that could be safe enough so that no one would counter claim.

I refuse to claim. Stated that earlier.

RR you're just being a ninja too. What are your points against me?
That being said, I'd like to hear what has Red Ryu would like to say based on Rajam's claim. There are some things I find a little funny/shady about both players. Rajam rejecting to claim for a lil while, and some of Red Ryu's outbursts. I'm not entirely sure if that just his personality. I'm not entirely sure if he stated why he refused to claim.

oh yeah, tin man is here now. Let's get some input for that kid.

Tin man, do you think rajam is scum?
Who aside from him is your top scum pick?
If you were a one shot cop, who aside from rajam, would you investigate and why?

:phone:
That's quite hard to say. Assuming they (Red Ryu & Rajam) are town, I think its quite possible that they are both scum. These 2 are the top 2 picks for me. Especially after they both claimed, It would seem more time would need to be spent investigating their abilities. Hilt did say that the scope of Rajam's abilities are quite inconsistent which is a valid point to me and makes me question Rajam's abilities, but I would still like to see what Red Ryu has to say on Rajam's claim.

ya at this point i just wanna see:

- an RR claim followed by a rajam death or
- a rajam death
I'm also interested to hear your views on this now. They both claimed, and after Red Ryu claimed, All you could say about his ability was "weird role".

I want to see a rajam claim
analyze it
rr claim
analyze it
lynch one, prob rajam

:phone:
Whats your train of thought now?

Oh, and let's lynch Red Ryu, now that I've seen Rajam's claim.
Again, we should prolly let Red Ryu speak.

Tin Man, what's up? You've been lurking the thread for awhile. Have you completely caught up?
For the most part yeah.
 

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Vote count:

Hilt - UTDZac,
Rajam - ChiboSempai, Red Ryu,
UTD Zac- Pierce, Omni,
Red Ryu - Krystedez, Hilt, Raziek,
Omni - Rajam,

Note Voting: Shaya, T-block, Pado, Tin Man,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST
 

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My stance changed because of two main reasons:

The first is that Red Ryu's claim is short, and poorly detailed, while Rajam's smells much more like an OS role. This is further compounded by Rajam's reluctancy to claim, given that he can potentially obtain bulletproof status and doctor powers.

The second I will reveal in due time.
Don't blame me if my role is basic and has little content and is only info.

There is nothing more I can say about my role other than what I just said.

claim: Toadofsky, town musician
Wait a second, there is no sample role PM in this game, why did you post your color in blue? That's not the town color.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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You know, Hilt really wants to shove a lynch down pretty fast, wonder why he is so sure I should die over Rajam or even if either of us should die, deadline is April 29th. Raziek bought it immediately, which is interesting to note.

Well I see it as this, Rajam is scum with a BS claim or he is town, I think with a role that odd he is town. So,

Unvote

With that said, Vote: Krystedez

Going with his insistence that Bowyer was in this game earlier as a scum slip along with the rest of his play.
 

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Vote: Red Ryu


Sorry for my absence.

@Tinman, how many forum mafia games have you played before this one?

I've only gotten to read the past few pages so far. Here are my reads:

Raz town
Hilt town
Raj town
Tin man town
Red ryu scum
 

Krystedez

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With that said, Vote: Krystedez

Going with his insistence that Bowyer was in this game earlier as a scum slip along with the rest of his play.
Not sure I'm following you again. Now I feel like your reaching. I never insisted that Bowyer was in the game, I simply contemplated his existence. Did you read my last post? Pretty sparse reasoning for a vote.

Unvote
Vote: Red Ryu


Sorry for my absence.

@Tinman, how many forum mafia games have you played before this one?

I've only gotten to read the past few pages so far. Here are my reads:

Raz town
Hilt town
Raj town
Tin man town
Red ryu scum
Interesting that you think Tin man is town right away, based on one post XD I would like to know what your feelings are on RR immediately though, besides just a read. Justifying votes will help us out here in either phase that we choose to follow in the coming days.
 

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Holy **** a lot of stuff to read.

Red Ryu's role was pretty much the role I had in the first OS game I played (except I was a miller, and I had things like "this character has a posting restriction, <they are town>". His role doesn't seem impossible. Information roles are not exactly unknown in OS games.

Rajam's claim is pretty complicated and is somewhat like Omni's FF6 role (it's a game-ish-kinda-thing).

Ughh this is really annoying, I spotted a lot of questions for me and I was going to do a search on the thread to grab them all... but it seems search is broken at the moment (I searched shaya and no results came up ;\).

I do recall Omni asking me about Chibo though, and I'll say this.
Chibo was playing a pretty neutral game early on, he wasn't sticking his head out exactly, but unlike his normal play, it hasn't been inherently "stinky" like it usually is. I don't think the guy has posted more than once since I said "bebackin30hoursuniwork". Hopefully search comes up again soon because at the moment I can't even do a proper re-read of his posts to certify my position. I know he was for the Rajam lynch/role claim, but I can't recall him having much of an opinion on anyone else.

wait, HERP, You can't search keywords but "posts by user" still works.
 

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Chibo's play thus far:
Neutralish, somewhat coasting. Not being anti-town in anything particular but not exactly screaming town to me either. Omni's liking of him seems a bit farfetched, it almost seems like reverse-bias, haha. There's a lot of interaction and referring to each other in posts, and they've both talked about me specifically a few times. Seems odd. But w/e.

He has made these stances:
Rajam should die / is scum
Red Ryu is leaning dumb town
He doesn't like T-Block
He likes Pierce, and interacts with him somewhat freely.
A similar interaction exists between himself and Omni, but its a lot more jagged (Omni saying he likes chibo and chibo replying back normally).

Other than the above, most of Chibo's posts are talking about game flavour/potential game flavour and giving his stances on the whole claiming thing. Opinions rather than actual plays of the game.

There could theoretically be a whole third faction what with characters like Boster and all, but I guarantee you that isn't the case.
^ Something interesting.

I really don't see much between TBlock and RR. It was appropriate of RR to put TB on blast with a post to back it up, but I still don't understand the connection completely and don't really think of TB any worse from it.

What was more telling imo was TB vs Raziek on the scum tell thing that TB though Omni asked. Omni was right to be worried that he had scumpicks already so soon into the game, and yet TB thought it was a loaded question.
Early chibo dislike of T-Block.

I'm not saying what you did was a scum tell, I'm saying that you're potentially giving scum an easy out into fixing their gameplay.
This was referencing to me, and was a pseudo stance on me, inspired by Omni. I find the whole thing really silly though.

Nothing I don't like really yet. Though on the flip side nothing screams wow town to me. I was ok with the list, and one reason for that was him pointing out me being town. I'm actually semi-serious about this actually. Everyone knows they can make an easy lynch out of me, but for the group of people who can read me legit and have caught onto my style (Pierce being one of them who I've seen predict my role in most games I'm in that he's read or been in, Poke Mafia being the most recent), them actually continuing said reads on me and not going for an easy lynch looks more town than scum to me.
Pretty large love for Pierce.



Seems pretty scummy (since it's misleading town), or at the least AWFUL town play that I don't want to deal with. Currently my top lynch choice of the day.
Rajam hate.

Rajam did however go from a lot more active with scummy gameplay, then pressure on him, to him clamming up.
Do you really need more than 20 minutes (hell, more than 10?) to put your thoughts down about Rajam?

This honestly feels like a stall attempt.
An off opinion from chibo on Krys. Krys has been somewhat hostile against chibo, and as Chibo pointed out - wagon on Rajam is ****ing legit.

Also to throw on the table here... I don't like TBlock too much. I can write up a bit more of a solid case later, some things just seem off about him.
Please do Chibo. Kinda hypocritical of you to say something like this. Just look at the next quote.

We're all working together here, and while it's appropriate to keep some things to yourself (as I mentioned to Omni about him talking about other players' scumtells too soon/early), I'm more proactive about people not holding things back, something which was very evident in BBR Mafia as I drilled Praxis into him with these crazy note pad docs he kept holding onto to reveal later supposedly (who turned out to be scum). It's kind of hard to say what my true intentions are, it's something that will be much easier to discuss perhaps starting as early as day 2, once we get some flips from people from lynches/nks to attribute to the conversation.

But back to my first point in that paragraph, the knowledge we have is our role pms. That can be incredibly vague in a game with 13 players with 13 different roles, etc. Something was sort of confusing to me that could mean a few different things and wanted some opinions from other players, and ultimately waiting on various flips I can bring the information together to make more sense of this game.
Chibo's lol hypocrisy (not reading too much into it atm) but defending his flavour discussion against Krys. Krys response to Chibo was somewhat OMGUS. I like this interaction a lot.

Yea I'm definitely ok with Rajam being gone
More rajam hate.

If his name claim is quite odd, (Like Toadofsky or something) then yeah, we'll have him full claim probably. If he claims something like Mallow though, and no one CCs, then I don't want his role out in the air.
asfadfadfafasfasdf...
hey guys...
what?
did
that just happen?

Personally, I still dislike Rajam. I really dislike Rajam ignoring chibo's pretty much "DIE RAJAM" mentality. Really stinks a lot. If Rajam flips scum I'm totally going to be boggled by the chibo/rajam relationship.

I won't lie.
In just about every game I play with chibo his "death" (which he points out that others just like to kill him because its easy) is actually really really informative. I'm not saying I want to kill Chibo, but his interactions are always interesting. I feel like only his interactions with Omni, Krys and Pierce are noteworthy if he died (atm).

He did interact with Raziek but that was presuming he was a SMRPG fan. Other than Krys and the list at the top he's missed out on a lot of others. He talked about me somewhat, but hasn't directed anything towards me other than a reply to my early game question.


To summarise, Chibo's avoiding the inactives in this game, which is funny, because IIRC, in CT mafia he was pretty heavy on the inactives. (Perhaps that's why people are feeling hes so towny compared to other games, because hes kinda famous for hounding inactives while being somewhat inactive himself, and always shoots himself in the foot because of it! </meta>


Chibo, what do you feel about Hilt?
Would you still prefer to kill Rajam? Do you think RR is still town?
 

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Vote: Red Ryu


Sorry for my absence.

@Tinman, how many forum mafia games have you played before this one?

I've only gotten to read the past few pages so far. Here are my reads:

Raz town
Hilt town
Raj town
Tin man town
Red ryu scum
Main points against Ryu (why Ryu is scum)?
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Nvm, you posted the right color of blue, thought you posted the wrong color of blue and was trying to see if you did slip and say the wrong color if you were scum.
 

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Wait a second, there is no sample role PM in this game, why did you post your color in blue? That's not the town color.
Nvm, you posted the right color of blue, thought you posted the wrong color of blue and was trying to see if you did slip and say the wrong color if you were scum.
Bullllll****, you have failed.

This was my second reason, ladies and gentlemen.

Red Ryu claimed the wrong town color, Rajam claimed the correct one. That's why I knew immediately.

Lynch Red Ryu, kthxbai.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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So, I'm at L-2 right now.

Ok, might as well do reads again.

1) Rajam - Null, I want to see where his role could go and it's not unplausable considering the person in question. If he is scum, I think coming up with a fake claim like this is way too complicated to be scum.

2) Raziek - leaning town, his immediate change based on roles is absolutely dumb. That's like saying kill the claimed VT because the other claimed cop. People quick to jump ship is rather odd at this point but I don't hold that enough to say he is scum.

3) UTDZac - Scum, his quick chime in and lack of content really irritates me. I'm tempted to lynch him based on activity and bandwagon attitude.

4) ChiboSempai - Null, Chibo has somethings that do irk me at points with his posting but I don't think this is scum for him.

5) Krystedez - Scum, Still don't buy that Bowyer was an accident, especially when I was told he isn't in this game. Contemplating a person whom I was told wasn't in this game is way too much of a coincidence.

6) Red Ryu - Cricket Pies.

7) Tin Man - More content plz.

8) T-block - Town, I don't see anything truely scummy about him.

9) Omni - Town, I do think he is whiling to listen and look at things from multiple angles. I feel better about him as this game has gone on.

10) Pierce - Scum I feel like he's still letting others get the true content out there and staying with fluffy posts to look town.

11) Pado - Town, my Rebecca stuff still holds true here with his reactions to me.

12) Hilt - Null, still don't feel comfortable with him, he's trying to make some posts and says events exaggerated to fit his way.

13) Shaya - Null, I do like his gigantic posts recently, I want to see more of this.

~

@Kry: No this is too similar to what my role was told. Your the only players who mentioned him being in this game based on what I was told.

@Everyone: Get your votes off Rajam and I, this is Town vs Town, mislynches are bad even on D1.

Go for a better lynch like UTD or Kryz.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Bullllll****, you have failed.

This was my second reason, ladies and gentlemen.

Red Ryu claimed the wrong town color, Rajam claimed the correct one. That's why I knew immediately.

Lynch Red Ryu, kthxbai.
Idiot.

I was looking for the correct blue.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Because green is usual town, until I looked at my role PM and noticed Overswarm has no sample role PM.

I loooked at Rajams and thought it had a different blue to it.
 

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@Red Ryu

You claimed first, claimed a simple, unprovable role, using an obscure character, and your only knowledge provided is two obvious facts (Mario is in, Bowyer is not), and something scum would probably know. (Safeclaims are safe characters)

You also claimed the wrong Town color, and the fact that you TOOK the time to color it, but did it wrong, says volumes. No sample PM makes things worse for you, since you could just be forgiven for failing to check, otherwise. The blue used in the role PM is quite distinct.

Furthermore, Rajam's actually made attempts to defend himself seriously (despite a lot of it being OMGUS), while you've just posted some quick-lists and went "LOLGAMBIT".

Yeah, not buying it, you can die.
 

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This was my second reason, ladies and gentlemen.
What was your first reason? You said you would clarify today?

I hate colour stuff, although now that it's out there, I admit this does look a little suspicious.

Do not hammer RR yet. In fact, I'd rather somebody unvote at the moment.

@RR: How familiar are you with SMRPG?
 

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What was your first reason? You said you would clarify today?

I hate colour stuff, although now that it's out there, I admit this does look a little suspicious.

Do not hammer RR yet. In fact, I'd rather somebody unvote at the moment.

@RR: How familiar are you with SMRPG?
My stance changed because of two main reasons:

The first is that Red Ryu's claim is short, and poorly detailed, while Rajam's smells much more like an OS role. This is further compounded by Rajam's reluctancy to claim, given that he can potentially obtain bulletproof status and doctor powers.

The second I will reveal in due time.
@Red Ryu

You claimed first, claimed a simple, unprovable role, using an obscure character, and your only knowledge provided is two obvious facts (Mario is in, Bowyer is not), and something scum would probably know. (Safeclaims are safe characters)

You also claimed the wrong Town color, and the fact that you TOOK the time to color it, but did it wrong, says volumes. No sample PM makes things worse for you, since you could just be forgiven for failing to check, otherwise. The blue used in the role PM is quite distinct.

Furthermore, Rajam's actually made attempts to defend himself seriously (despite a lot of it being OMGUS), while you've just posted some quick-lists and went "LOLGAMBIT".

Yeah, not buying it, you can die.
10characters.

It's gonna take a lot of convincing to get me to believe Rajam is a better lynch than Red Ryu at this point. I'll be VERY surprised if Ryu flips Town.
 

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Oh okay. Do you have anything to say about the fact that Rajam will likely remain vanilla townie until the end of the game?

Would it be anti-town for you to explain what 7a means?
 

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OS roles can be douchebags sometimes. Bulletproof is a very powerful ability, so that doesn't surprise me.

He can, however, feasibly obtain a one-shot Doc simply by methodic guessing. I don't see the role as being out of the question, though it is rather swingy.

I can explain what 7a meant.

I was referring to Rule 7a, which referred to not using Role PM meta-data in an attempt to break the game, like Chibo does EVERY game. I was treading carefully to avoid a mod-kill by breadcrumbing it, but since Red Ryu officially brought it into the open before I did, I'm not worried now.
 

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Warning, this post has no actual useful content. I'm posting immediately after to actually resume playing. I just need to express myself right now. There are no breadcrumbs. Do not get distracted

WTF just happened

Did Rajam like, ACTUALLY CLAIM TOADOFSKY?

Mind = BLOWN

Why did the two people with roles from Tadpole Pond both claim? Also, Overswarm, stop messing with me. Before the game, I said I wanted to be Frogfucius. RR claims Frogfucius. Then I actually mentioned that Rajam might claim something weird like Toadofsky, and he did. If the next claim is King Nimbus, I autowin, LOL.
 

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Vote count:


Rajam - ChiboSempai,
UTD Zac- Pierce, Omni,
Red Ryu - Krystedez, Hilt, UTDZac, Red Ryu,
Omni - Rajam,

Note Voting: Shaya, T-block, Pado, Tin Man, Raziek,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST
 
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