Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I meant reads not roles, I should proof read more.

 

[Pierce7d]

. . .

Okay. Can we get a claim from rajam now? I agree with hilt about rr's play, but I don't think he's lying.

Rr, is that all you know?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That info is my role, so yes.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

You weren't faking a restriction. You clearly said that you didn't have one. You were only posting your Rebecca black posts as jokes.

 

[Krystedez]

@ krys

how does claim forcing suck? It's the typical play to make when you're looking for a lynch, and you want information first, to make sure that you don't lynch and important power role by accident.

@rr
you seem awfully eager to get this rajam lynch pushed through before we have a chance to deal with you.

I just don't like claim forcing. It becomes a habit and sometimes people start thinking it's mass claim time. BBRM was just lolzy because of that.

I mean I'm fine with Rajam claiming if you guys are, just keeping that in mind that I just don't like it. I mean, I wouldn't know when to force claims is the absolute best option, so I don't know why Rajam is putting it on me. Perhaps because he knows I'm town somehow and feels like putting it on my shoulders...

and how ironic
@RR's claim

I was wondering why you were semi-tunneling me on that Bowyer stuff. Makes sense now, I thought you were reaching. In fact, your claim makes me think you're not so nutso after all.

I used Bowyer as an example because he is my favorite mini-boss character for a number of reasons, like Chibo's were Knife and Grate guy (I'm guessing). I'd like to point out that as a child, I used to call him Bowser, with out the s. His option sealings were quite annoying early game.

I can't say I'm that happy with Ryu's claim though. I was more interested in Rajam's first tbqh, and then Ryu's...

@RR, I'd like to know why you're trying to push Rajam up further for the lynch, when you said you'd be fine with hammering. Not that it's that important until everyone gets on the ball here and we find out Rajam's role I guess...

@T-Block, why would I be your top scum pick if Rajam flips town? Makes no sense, I've been tunneling RR, and wondering if Rajam is a big-time role for Mafia. I haven't put my vote on him. So... if he flips town and you were the one who didn't vote, you'd have the 7 others on Rajam's back to look at. So... again. why me? Relevance not detected here.

I'd like to know if Tin Man has caught up a bit enough to relay some opinions on the situation. We know next to nothing about who Zigsta (now Tin) is or his stances. Since we're near the end of Day 1, I say we get everyone's opinion on the table.

I think Rajam is at L-3 now with RR's vote.

 

[Pierce7d]

I just don't like claim forcing. It becomes a habit and sometimes people start thinking it's mass claim time. BBRM was just lolzy because of that.

I mean I'm fine with Rajam claiming if you guys are, just keeping that in mind that I just don't like it. I mean, I wouldn't know when to force claims is the absolute best option, so I don't know why Rajam is putting it on me. Perhaps because he knows I'm town somehow and feels like putting it on my shoulders...

and how ironic
@RR's claim

I was wondering why you were semi-tunneling me on that Bowyer stuff. Makes sense now, I thought you were reaching. In fact, your claim makes me think you're not so nutso after all.

I used Bowyer as an example because he is my favorite mini-boss character for a number of reasons, like Chibo's were Knife and Grate guy (I'm guessing). I'd like to point out that as a child, I used to call him Bowser, with out the s. His option sealings were quite annoying early game.

I can't say I'm that happy with Ryu's claim though. I was more interested in Rajam's first tbqh, and then Ryu's...

@RR, I'd like to know why you're trying to push Rajam up further for the lynch, when you said you'd be fine with hammering. Not that it's that important until everyone gets on the ball here and we find out Rajam's role I guess...

@T-Block, why would I be your top scum pick if Rajam flips town? Makes no sense, I've been tunneling RR, and wondering if Rajam is a big-time role for Mafia. I haven't put my vote on him. So... if he flips town and you were the one who didn't vote, you'd have the 7 others on Rajam's back to look at. So... again. why me? Relevance not detected here.

I'd like to know if Tin Man has caught up a bit enough to relay some opinions on the situation. We know next to nothing about who Zigsta (now Tin) is or his stances. Since we're near the end of Day 1, I say we get everyone's opinion on the table.

I think Rajam is at L-3 now with RR's vote.

IMO this is the best post Krys has made all game.

Also, if you're going to lynch someone, it's probably best to have them claim first, just to check if you're about to hit a power role, or gain some information. Say it's day three, and someone claims watcher. We decide to lynch them anyway, but if they flip town, at least they tell us what they say.

 

[T-block]

You're absolutely right in that it has nothing to do with Rajam's hypothetical flip. I said if he were to flip town, it wouldn't give me much more to go on since I would expect both town and scum to be on his wagon, so I default to what I've gleaned outside of the Rajam situatino.

 

[Pierce7d]

Well, I guess the obvious question is

Hilt, how do you think we should proceed now? Rajam will not claim without your blessing (lol), and I, along with many other players think that his lynch is the play for the day atm.

 

[Padô]

Hmm... I had kind of a town read at Red Ryu not because he explained all that dumb stuff he had posted about Rebecca Black but because it was way too dumb (specially from someone experienced like him) to look like scum stuff, it was way too obvious if you guys know what I mean, he almost killed himself by saying all the **** he said. I'd say he was to easy to push for a claim, this is pretty much the only thing that bother me about you right now RR.

^ This is what makes me worried about Rajam too. The stuff he said... IDK seems a little bit too obvious to be scum, even if you are new to Mafia games you can always be coached at the Mafia HQ (at least I was at the DNM) before posting like crazy out there.

Thinking about his refusal to claim... It just does not make sense to me, not because a large part of town wants he to claim but, if he was really scum... he could very well fake claim into something (with the risk of being counterclaimed but w/e) and then be fine for the rest of the day I believe (if not counterclaimed). I sense some insecurity from him at claiming because he might actually be town since he didn't think to much to answer us he refused to claim. He answered in like 5 minutes IIRC (just look at the time between Pierce's post asking if he refused or not and his post right after).

BUT, I can blame him in certain parts, refusing to claim is scummy as hell but at the same time looks stupid as **** to do if you are scum actually, and his early posts were god awful. I'll keep my vote at him because most of the town agrees with this now but I think we should make he claim right now and the votes kinda put pressure on him so... not unvoting.

I'm off to college. I'll be back in 3 hours approximately.

 

[Padô]

@Pierce

What do you think about Krystedez play now, since it is heavily flavor based, related to RRs claim? Do you still believe he wrote all this flavor stuff on your case) just because he was trying to misslead/confuse town?

 

[Krystedez]

@T-Block

You're absolutely right in that it has nothing to do with Rajam's hypothetical flip. I said if he were to flip town, it wouldn't give me much more to go on since I would expect both town and scum to be on his wagon, so I default to what I've gleaned outside of the Rajam situatino.

Okay.

7 people get on his wagon.

He flips town.

"Oh, 7 people on his wagon, I expect both town and scum to be on his wagon. Let's just go back to my previous speculations from Day 1."

You realize that that's about as helpful and captain-ob(li)vious as Pado was in the post that Hilt was analyzing? I would think you'd prepare to actively approach each wagon with a mindset that you need to reread each player on the wagon, regardless if you step on toes while doing so.

These players are on Rajam's wagon currently.

Zigsta, ChiboSempai, Pado, Red Ryu

Let's say that Pierce, Omni, and UTDZ (if he shows some activity soon...) get on his wagon. Rajam flips town. Would you not have ANYTHING to go on from all of toDay's posts from these guys?

@Tin Man

oh yeah, tin man is here now. Let's get some input for that kid.
Tin man, do you think rajam is scum?
Who aside from him is your top scum pick?
If you were a one shot cop, who aside from rajam, would you investigate and why?

If you would, please?

Hmm... I had kind of a town read at Red Ryu not because he explained all that dumb stuff he had posted about Rebecca Black but because it was way too dumb (specially from someone experienced like him) to look like scum stuff, it was way too obvious if you guys know what I mean, he almost killed himself by saying all the **** he said. I'd say he was to easy to push for a claim, this is pretty much the only thing that bother me about you right now RR.

^ This is what makes me worried about Rajam too. The stuff he said... IDK seems a little bit too obvious to be scum, even if you are new to Mafia games you can always be coached at the Mafia HQ (at least I was at the DNM) before posting like crazy out there.

Thinking about his refusal to claim... It just does not make sense to me, not because a large part of town wants he to claim but, if he was really scum... he could very well fake claim into something (with the risk of being counterclaimed but w/e) and then be fine for the rest of the day I believe (if not counterclaimed). I sense some insecurity from him at claiming because he might actually be town since he didn't think to much to answer us he refused to claim. He answered in like 5 minutes IIRC (just look at the time between Pierce's post asking if he refused or not and his post right after).

BUT, I can blame him in certain parts, refusing to claim is scummy as hell but at the same time looks stupid as **** to do if you are scum actually, and his early posts were god awful. I'll keep my vote at him because most of the town agrees with this now but I think we should make he claim right now and the votes kinda put pressure on him so... not unvoting.

I'm off to college. I'll be back in 3 hours approximately.

All of this coulda been summed up in two sentences.

I think we should continue for Rajam's claim, he has my vote for pressure. It's stupid of him to refuse to claim, while RR's claim was super easy.

I really have a hard time reading Pado

 

[Pierce7d]

@Pierce

What do you think about Krystedez play now, since it is heavily flavor based, related to RRs claim? Do you still believe he wrote all this flavor stuff on your case) just because he was trying to misslead/confuse town?

RR's claim is unproven, so it doesn't really affect my case on Krys at all. Also, Krys could still be scum even if RR is town. Lastly, my case on him was not all about flavor, Krys generally does not do much scum hunting or questioning. He's doing the superficial activity that RR is accusing me of doing.

In Krystedez' last few posts, he seems to have shaped up quite a bit, but he's not off my radar.

 

[T-block]

@Krystedez: Keep in mind I was specifically asked by Rajam what I would do if he flipped town.

Of course I would want to re-read and such, but here's the thing - let's say I'm looking at Pierce. If Pierce were scum, he might hop on board with a Rajam lynch because it's an easy town lynch, and he could be on it without drawing much suspicion to himself. But wait... if Pierce were town, he would honestly vote Rajam as well because of the way Rajam's been playing. When someone flips town, you do want to go back and see who pushed for his lynch and think about the motivations behind it. However, in this case, Rajam has been playing so anti-town that for every person on the wagon you could say "probably on the rajam wagon because rajam was being anti-town", and then everything comes out to null.

What is your stance on Rajam again, Krystedez? And if Rajam were to flip town, what would you think of Pierce? Of Omni? Of me?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

If Rajam is the play (it seems like he's going to be), I'd rather he claim, obviously. I don't understand why he wouldn't. Krystedez's fear of him claiming making us reconsider doesn't make much sense... I'm not against him claiming if he's going to most likely be the play.

 

[Raziek]

Sorry I've been off the board for a bit, gentlemen. I had exams thursday night, and I've been kinda crashed since. Visited relatives for Easter today. Back, and ready to roll.

That doesn't explain all of my absence though, so I'll say a little bit on that first. To be quite honest, I was uncomfortable with the speed at which the Rajam wagon built, since I was waiting for him to come back and defend himself, which I stated a few times. With that in mind, I decided to spectate that for a little bit.

Anyway, let's address some other stuff here.

I read it as a quick intent to try to gain town points. I'm just coming from an ongoing game where scum did that, so, sorry about being a little paranoic about that.

I defended T-Block because I believed Ryu was reaching pretty hard with his Pokemon accusation. TvT was extremely likely at this point in the game, so I'm not about to let a BS question like that potentially cause a Town slip and a quick mislynch off of something like that.

Town is more likely to slip to small things than scum is, because they don't have to worry about calculating each response.

Players:
Rajam
Red Ryu -> on my wagon
Raziek -> was on my wagon/got kinda inactive
Omni -> on my wagon
UTDZac -> inactive
Zigsta/Tin Man -> inactive
Hilt -> not on my wagon
Pierce -> on my wagon
T-block -> on my wagon
Pado -> on my wagon/ kinda inactive
Chibo -> on my wagon
Shaya -> on my wagon
Krystedez -> on my wagon

Addressing this list, I wasn't on your wagon. I was one of the few NOT on your wagon, I just wanted you to start posting again.

Frogfucius (Wise townie)

I know info about the set-up, that is my only ability.

This seems a little fishy. To clarify, the information you had was that Mario is in the game, while Bowyer is not? Was there anything else?

Stances on three main lynch candidates right now.

Red Ryu: While the gambit was unneeded, I'm also a little wary about his claim. Saying Mario is in the game seems pretty obvious, but saying Bowyer is not could simply be an educated guess. 7a.

Krystedez: Seems Townish. Doesn't seem a viable play toDay, but could be at some point in the future.

Rajam: Honestly, I didn't like the reaction to the pressure, and he seems a bit scattered. I'd like to see a claim.

Short Version: I'd like a Rajam claim, then a lynch decision between Rajam and Red Ryu.

 

[Krystedez]

My stance is that he had been potentially misleading town into lynching or aiming to lynching him. I may have been wrong about him wanting to be lynched, considering the unlikelihood of a bomb role amongst mafia, or an indy masoned with someone that would blow up if targeted as to save someone, hence my suspicion of connection between him and RR. This is all also a continuation of my unhappiness that RR claimed so quickly before Rajam did. Now we can't see his claim through as a way to lie-test Rajam.

I wish to reserve my thoughts about Pierce until he takes a stance on the matter ( a vote if you will ), and until Rajam makes a claim under the pressure if at all. Omni is the same way for now. I think that if you end up still not voting for Rajam based on his play agreed to be anti-town, I will wonder why you didn't vote for someone at all even if he flips town.

I understand that everyone on Rajam's wagon may very well have the excuse that he has been playing anti-town. But that is the default. I think that, using your example, it's entirely unlikely that Pierce were to "hop on board" without so much of an inkling of suspicion/attention drawn to himself.

Do you believe the best course of action is a Rajam lynch, T-Block? Will it happen toDay, with or without your vote?

@Hilt: I'm not fearing his claim so much as I'm fearing claims in general d: I agree with it if it's our agreed upon play as well.

 

[Krystedez]

^ all @T-Block btw, except last part obviously.

 

[T-block]

You sorta danced around all of my questions o.o

So you do think Rajam is scum then? Do you understand my point when I say if Rajam were to flip town I would be seeing a lot of nulls?

Actually I thought I already was voting Rajam for some reason. I think he is a fine lynch candidate for Day 1. As for whether his lynch will happen even without my vote, how am I supposed to know? ._.

vote: Rajam

Should put him at L-2.

@mod: request votecount

 

[Raziek]

Consider me a vote for Rajam, with intent to see a claim.

Not putting him at L-1 for obvious reasons.

 

[Krystedez]

You sorta danced around all of my questions o.o

I'm too fat too dance, I just lose my balance in questions like yours.

So you do think Rajam is scum then? Do you understand my point when I say if Rajam were to flip town I would be seeing a lot of nulls?

He's more scum to me than RR has appeared to be recently. So yea, I think he's scum. If he turns town, I will say that I am one of the ones you believe are on there for the "default" practice of voting because of his anti-town behavior.

As for whether his lynch will happen even without my vote, how am I supposed to know? ._.

Okay, you're voting for him now. MY question was, will you put your vote on him, whether or not his lynch would appear to happen toDay, as in, are you with that stance? Confusing, sorry. Anyways.

@mod: request votecount

It's looking like this.

Vote count:

Hilt - UTDZac,
Rajam - Zigsta, ChiboSempai, Pado, Red Ryu, T-Block,
UTD Zac- Pierce, Omni,
Red Ryu - Hilt,
Omni - Rajam,

Note Voting: T-block, Raziek, Red Ryu, Shaya, Krystedez,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

It appears to be L-2 for Rajam.

 

[Krystedez]

I would still like an official vote count, but just showing that for now that those are the most recent changes since Page 42 I believe.

 

[Krystedez]

when I say if Rajam were to flip town I would be seeing a lot of nulls?

herp derp, wanted to respond to this but it got cut out.

I understand you when you say you would see a lot of nulls. What I didn't understand is why. There's plenty of content to be had here.

 

[Rajam]

claim: Toadofsky, town musician

I'll quote my crumbs and explain my ability/ies:

So, basically I started the game just plain trolling and playing non-sense, I didn't have the intention to bcrumb. But after a while I decided to leave some, and I left two. The first one is in 144:

abcdefg

fbg

dbaaec

The first "sentence" are music notes, written as A,B,C...,G
At Night I can play minigames. There are two: In the first one, I have to "guess" the music which contain three musical notes. That "fbg" is just me picking three random musical notes for the 1st minigame. OS will tell me if I'm correct in each note or not, for example, if I send "fbg" and the right answer was "abd", OS would tell me something like "First note wrong. Second note right. Third note wrong." When I hit the three notes right, I win a prize: a one-shot doctor.

Second minigame is the same, but with 6 notes instead of 3. Hence the "dbaaec" is me picking three random musical notes for the 2nd minigame. When I win, I gain the bulletproof ability, though it will disappear after someone tries to NKill me.

My 2nd bcrumb was more directed to my role as musician, in 221:

The RVS non-sense is fun. fun fun fun friday fun
( breadcrumbing a c-claim to RR here btw

)

I'm also trying to evolve into the ultimate trollish style who shall reign in mafia games forever and ever aleluia lalalala * musical note *

No one claimed Smithy. I think someone is lying. Making some progress here

Spoiler

ok that was it. Troll style doesn't really fit me so I'll just press B and cancel the evolution

unvote

~ end of RVS non-sense ~

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I didn't present a list of strategies because I want you to explain me which strategy or plan would you make or usually follow when you get a scum role

Spoiler

like now

. My vote on you was because you didn't answer (+ a little of RVS), despite I think the question was pretty clear. So, if you were scum here which strategy or plan would you make?



Because he was defending T-block from RR, and wasted a chance to make pressure for trying to gain some town-points instead. That's scum behavior as demonstated by scum-X1 in certain ongoing game.

The green parts are slight crumbs towards my role as musician. I didn't expect anyone to get any of these crumbs. I just left them in case if I had to claim, though I didn't want to claim based on this dumb pressure coming from RVS transformed into this huge scummy wagon.

 

[Raziek]

Don't lynch Rajam.

7a.

 

[Raziek]

Oh, and let's lynch Red Ryu, now that I've seen Rajam's claim.

 

[Raziek]

Whoops, forgot to vote.

vote: Red Ryu.

 

[T-block]

unvote

Still evaluating things

 

[Krystedez]

*hunches shoulders over with quizzical look on his face*...

What a peculiar situation... The two most obscure side characters in the game, that are both found in the same area, have role-claimed...

*sigh*... Why do you want to keep Rajam alive so bad, Raz? Just a quick question of your defense for him while we're waiting for catchup from the rest of us.

 

[Raziek]

Simple. Look at their claims.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Do you have to post these notes in thread, or can you send them through PM?

 

[T-block]

Raziek, I'm looking at the claims.

Rajam's claim is silly. What the hell kind of role is that? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, or there's something he's not telling us.

What is the likelihood of getting three correct notes within the scope of this game? Let's make it even easier. He has to guess one note to gain one-shot doctor. There are still seven notes to choose from, and if this game goes to Day 5 or Day 6 there's still a chance he wouldn't even get his power. Bring that up to three notes and it's very very unlikely that he will win his one-shot doc before the game ends, even with the hints he gets from the mod each Night. The six note game is even more unlikely.

Also, the reward for winning the game is way too low. Even if he got lucky and nailed the three notes, he only gets one-shot doc?

What is it about the claims that makes RR's so much more believable, Raziek?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Also, a town player knowing characters that are or aren't in the game is either worthless (in the situation where these characters aren't mafia's safe claims), or stupid good (in the situation where mafia's safe claims aren't safe.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

What do you think about RR's claim, T-Block?

 

[Raziek]

I'll explain it clearly tomorrow (IRL), but I've already breadcrumbed it. I want to see comment from other players first.

 

[T-block]

Neither claim can be proven, which is unfortunate.

I admit I was quicker to believe RR's claim because I think he's town. I think the information about Mario and Bowyer is padding from the mod. The real gem is that the characters Mallow, Geno, Bowser and Toadstool are not necessarily town players? That's my understanding of what he offered, and if that's the case, then that's valuable information.

 

[Rajam]

I send them through PM during Night Phase

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I'll admit, both claims are a bit out there. However, the difference in the two is Rajam's being one that... I could actually see being a role. Looking forward to hearing Omni's opinion on it all tomorrow.

 

[Padô]

Wow... I never get such fun roles as this one.

BTW, Red Ryu kinda messed Rajam's breadcrumbs lol.

Unvote

 

[T-block]

What's off for you about RR's claim, Hilt?

Flavor-wise, Frogfucius is more likely to be in the game than Toadofsky btw imo.

 

[Padô]

@Krystedez

It's hard to express in words how your train of thought is. By the way it's pretty much behavioral what I said. It's just a prediction I made about Rajam's claim and why I did think that way.