Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[Raziek]

Red Ryu is at L-3, so I'm putting him back at L-2.

vote: Red Ryu

 

[UTDZac]

I think Red Ryu is scum mostly because of his role. I think it's more likely that mafia would have an informative goon than town would have an informative townie. Even if he's not an informative role, it's an easy safe claim. You can't prove the part about Mario being in the game, and no one can disprove "Bowyer" not existing (cause RR is bowyer). He probably actually knows the Frogfucius man isn't in the game, hence his safeclaim The other small reason that drew my attention to him is the silly color crap.

@T-block, I figured he was referring to rule 7a in the OP.

 

[T-block]

OS roles can be douchebags sometimes. Bulletproof is a very powerful ability, so that doesn't surprise me.

He can, however, feasibly obtain a one-shot Doc simply by methodic guessing. I don't see the role as being out of the question, though it is rather swingy.

I can explain what 7a meant.

I was referring to Rule 7a, which referred to not using Role PM meta-data in an attempt to break the game, like Chibo does EVERY game. I was treading carefully to avoid a mod-kill by breadcrumbing it, but since Red Ryu officially brought it into the open before I did, I'm not worried now.

Raziek, there are 343 possible three-note sequences. Even if he lucks out and guesses two notes right on the first Night, there are still six possibilities, with no potential for further hints. I would not count on Rajam being anything more than vanilla townie this game, if his claim is true.

Hilt is the one who brought up colours in DNM btw =P

 

[T-block]

When Red Ryu self-voted, the following people were voting him: Krystedez, Hilt, UTDZac, Raziek.

Those who were not voting him were: Chibo, Pierce, Omni, Rajam, Shaya, T-block, Pado, Tin Man

...for future reference in case RR flips scum.

 

[Pierce7d]

Okay, real content

I wouldn't be surprised for anyone to flip town. Despite everything, this is still day 1, and we have little. Suppose scum is hypothetically Hilt and Omni. Do you honestly mean to tell me this game would have gone much differently. A mere glance at the meta tells me "Probably not". Trying to build up too many strong reads on Day 1 is still silly.

@Mod
This new frequent vote count thing is ****. You're awesome.

Secondly, I said this before, but I guess it's worth saying again. It's okay to put someone at L-1, because in the instance someone quick lynches, THEY ARE PROBABLY SCUM. I've seen town accidentally quick lynch once. Quick lynching is ending the day without the consent of town. Scum typically does this in LYLO, because when they do it, they END THE GAME AND WIN. However, it's Day 1. If scum quick lynches now, then tomorrow we will go, "LOL, NOOB!" and lynch them. If you're town, just don't quick lynch, and this won't be an issue.

WOW, Zac from DEEP! Well, the last time I saw an informed townie role, it was a lie, and rPSI knew the game set-up in Pokemon Mafia (and somehow lost anyway -_-). However, I do believe the role exists, and it fits well. RR isn't really necessary to keep alive anymore, because he has given his role onto all of us, but we still have time to find a better candidate.

Red Ryu's error with the colors is certainly a scum tell. Also, he's just pulling at strings at this point. Krystedez never insisted that Bowyer was in this game, he was merely speculating flavor.

@MOD, can we get a sample role PM?

Tin Man's post was extremely satisfactory.

@Zac
If you were a vigilante, who would you kill tonight?
What do you think about Raziek's play so far?

 

[Raziek]

Raziek, there are 343 possible three-note sequences. Even if he lucks out and guesses two notes right on the first Night, there are still six possibilities, with no potential for further hints. I would not count on Rajam being anything more than vanilla townie this game, if his claim is true.

Hilt is the one who brought up colours in DNM btw =P

Like I said, Bulletproof is extremely powerful.

Why is it impossible for him to receive the One-shot Doc on the three note game? Even if he just guessed aaa bbb ccc in order, he could get it if he lived close to endgame. That power certainly isn't unobtainable.

 

[Padô]

I feel like we are going for a not so good lynch, because we will, most likely, lynch town, dumb townies maybe but still town...

Am I the only one who feels both Rajam and RR claims were legit?

About RR's claim color being green this was hella dumb since town's color is blue LOL. But I believe he didn't check the role PM before posting... If I was claiming without looking at it I'd most likely put it in green also.

 

[Raziek]

Without getting into it too much, Red Ryu should know far better than to make a color mix-up because of an ongoing game in DGames, where Chibo tried to break the game in the same means.

He knows better than to make a mistake like that, which is why I feel he had to guess.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Lynch me already.

There is no point anymore, just let the mislynch happen to confirm my info.

 

[Pierce7d]

Also, let me get a little bit into Meta for a second here

Overswarm has some pretty weird, interesting roles. Remember Omni as Setzer in FF(V?) Mafia? That role that had something to do with 777 and roulette, and was utter ridiculousness. Yeah, screams OS role.

However, I'm very willing to believe that Rajam is lying, because the sheer unlikeliness of him actually being Toadofsky after me calling it is so . . . odd. I'd sooner believe that he didn't remember the game very well, and just picked that as a safe claim because I mentioned it, and even described it as "an unlikely role, likely to be a safe claim"

His breadcrumbs were pretty legit though, which is what's really making me likely to believe him.

One last thing to note is that in the game, at Melody Way, Mario learns clues about the correct answer to the melodies, so that it's not all guess and check. I think it's possible that Rajam might gain some clues to make his ability more useful, if he's not lying.

Also, if I were claiming without looking at my Role PM, I probably would not have put a color. Just saying. :/

Ugh, this is so confusing. I feel like I just got triple kicked in the head.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Without getting into it too much, Red Ryu should know far better than to make a color mix-up because of an ongoing game in DGames, where Chibo tried to break the game in the same means.

He knows better than to make a mistake like that, which is why I feel he had to guess.

I tried doing a Chibo,

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Unvote

whatever.

 

[Overswarm]

Vote count:


Rajam - ChiboSempai,
UTD Zac- Pierce, Omni,
Red Ryu - Krystedez, Hilt, UTDZac, Raziek,
Omni - Rajam,

Note Voting: Shaya, T-block, Pado, Tin Man, Red Ryu,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

 

[T-block]

Rajam's ability becoming more useful (or easier to obtain) later is a possibility I suppose... I still maintain that as is it's basically vanilla townie though. He can guarantee a correct response after seven Nights, but I highly doubt this game will go into Day 8/Night 8.

@Pierce: There's no reason to put them at L-1 though. This thread has been pretty active, and it's entirely possible that two townies post at the same time thinking "i'll put him at l-1" and accidentally hammer, or someone doesn't realize he's about to hammer and does. Then of course the one who posted later said "omg i was ninja'd" or "wtf i didn't know he was at l-1" and then we tunnel him, pursuing a path that's way off-base. Everyone should be responsible and check the votecount before voting obviously, but I'd rather not rely on that.

 

[UTDZac]

I like Raz's play, as he's active and bringing good discussion to us. I don't have any "reads" on him other than that. Still in the process of re-reading (in chunks).

 

[Pierce7d]

Red Ryu, if you are town, why not spend your resources trying to actually scum hunt? I know it's day one, but at least investigate hunches, make connections between people, put more information for town to use into the air.

I mean, hell, you think I'm scum, so why haven't you built a case on me yet? All you've said is, "your posts have no content" as if I was supposed to come out and be like, "OMG, player X is scum, I figured it out day one, here's why!"

I've done a reasonable amount of scum hunting, and have posted quite a bit, I have not lurked, I have answered all questions towards me in a satisfactory manner, and I have asked questions of my own, of try and produce information that I can use later. I have not confused town drastically, and I actually breadcrumb my role instead of pulling up a simple one that's indefensible, after acting very strangely.

Also, I do not despair when I'm under pressure. Why don't you try playing like a townie, if you're really town? You think I'm scum, make a case on me consisting more of, "You're make Monster posts to appear Town but you're just hiding and produce no real content. I think you're scum."

@T-Block, I agree, which is why I'm not moving my vote yet to put RR at L-1. However, I think it's silly for people to UNVOTE. They could just make it really obvious when a player is at L-1.

 

[Pierce7d]

Oh, that reminds me of a question I wanted to ask.

@Rajam, seeing as how I suggested that you might be Toadofsky, and never once voted for you this whole game, why are you so confident in thinking I'm scum, instead of just assuming I picked up on your breadcrumbs? I didn't, but from your perspective, that's what I would've assumed.

 

[Padô]

Red Ryu, if you are town, why not spend your resources trying to actually scum hunt? I know it's day one, but at least investigate hunches, make connections between people, put more information for town to use into the air.

I mean, hell, you think I'm scum, so why haven't you built a case on me yet? All you've said is, "your posts have no content" as if I was supposed to come out and be like, "OMG, player X is scum, I figured it out day one, here's why!"

I've done a reasonable amount of scum hunting, and have posted quite a bit, I have not lurked, I have answered all questions towards me in a satisfactory manner, and I have asked questions of my own, of try and produce information that I can use later. I have not confused town drastically, and I actually breadcrumb my role instead of pulling up a simple one that's indefensible, after acting very strangely.

Also, I do not despair when I'm under pressure. Why don't you try playing like a townie, if you're really town? You think I'm scum, make a case on me consisting more of, "You're make Monster posts to appear Town but you're just hiding and produce no real content. I think you're scum."

@T-Block, I agree, which is why I'm not moving my vote yet to put RR at L-1. However, I think it's silly for people to UNVOTE. They could just make it really obvious when a player is at L-1.

There's something I don't like from Red Ryu, he's play is way too lazy, he just don't bothers in building up cases and stuff.

By the way, I've been wanting to build a case on you Pierce for a while now I'm just gathering enough information to make it solid, unfortunately my time is strict so I'm doing it step by step and slowly and the lack of information and facts isn't helping enough.

Rajam and RR were my main suspects but after seeing their claims I started suspecting you, since you were the one who pressure them a lot, besides me. TBH I agreed with a lot of stuff you said and you might have tricked me there if you are really scum.

I just wanted to say all this just because, for me, RR does not look like off this game anymore TBH, his posts still kinda suck but I believe he's just lazy. Maybe I'll try to have something writen from him.

 

[Pierce7d]

Well, I mean, I have commented on basically every situation, and have made my opinion known on every topic to surface in the game. If there is a case on me to build, please build it. There should be plenty of posts to go off of, since I have the most posts in the topic, and I don't make posts like this:

I tried doing a Chibo,

[Image hidden]

Or this

Unvote

whatever.

I mean, maybe I'm actually just not good at scum hunting after all. Do people really think my posts lack content? I mean, I look at the average post here, and I surely feel I'm doing a much better job than that.

The only lack of tracing I've done in the game at all, was not voting for Rajam. However, I significantly pressured him to show that I am certainly on board, and the only reason I didn't vote for him, is the same reason I'm not voting RR. They have enough pressure via votes that I don't need to vote at the moment.

Also, Pado, how does that make sense? If you are town, and I'm saying stuff you agree with, wouldn't that give you a town tell on me as well? Besides that, EVERYONE IS GOING TO CLAIM TOWN, REGARDLESS OF FACTION. Why do their claims make you suspect me for pressuring them? How is it scummy for pressuring the two most distracting and anti-town players?

@Raziek
You are a player who's post I find to have decent content on average. Do you feel that my posts are typically filled with fluff?

 

[Raziek]

@Raziek
You are a player who's post I find to have decent content on average. Do you feel that my posts are typically filled with fluff?

Not particularly, no. Sometimes there are things that can go unsaid, that you say anyway, but that's not really a problem so much as just re-stating some things. Not even close to Pado-level fluff.

I was a little wary of the list earlier, but having watched your play, you've been giving me a fairly pro-town vibe.

 

[T-block]

Rajam and RR were my main suspects but after seeing their claims I started suspecting you, since you were the one who pressure them a lot, besides me. TBH I agreed with a lot of stuff you said and you might have tricked me there if you are really scum.

This paragraph makes absolutely no sense.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

wait, HERP, You can't search keywords but "posts by user" still works.

ARE YOUUUUUU SERIOUS


fasdfasdfasdfasdf

 

[Raziek]

This paragraph makes absolutely no sense.

Honestly, Pado might have the best playstyle ever because he's SO confusing that nobody can get a read on him, to the point that I just ignore him, unless he's being super obv-scum.

I usually just hope he dies. (No offense, Pado)

 

[DtJ Hilt]

You know, Hilt really wants to shove a lynch down pretty fast

You're new around here. There's this thing about BBR mafia games. In here there's been a pattern of not getting a lynch together in the manner that it should, and having to scramble for a lynch during the last day of the day phase. It often leads to a no lynch (especially in D1). I want to make sure that a lynch actually happens and that we make the best use of our time. Also, the day phase is almost over. And I'm wanting to shove a lynch down fast? I'm trying to be productive and get what I can out of other players, which is a lot more than you can say. Be of use.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

And if you recall, I merely said that I would like the lynch to be made or or two days before the deadline is reached. Is that a problem?

 

[Pierce7d]

I actually agree with Hilt that making a slightly earlier than the last minute lynch would be a good improvement upon the BBR metagame.

That being said, we now have both claims. I say we lynch RR, since he's totally useless. He's not building cases, scum hunting, and his power isn't even useful any longer. He's been extremely suspicious, and did not claim a town power role. He cannot prove his role, and he hasn't continued to shape up.

Day one lynch is always in the dark, but this is as good as a day one lynch as I've ever seen really. I say we go for it.

 

[Raziek]

I concur, as should be obvious from my vote.

 

[Padô]

This paragraph makes absolutely no sense.

1st I was talking to Pierce.

2nd

Rajam and RR were my main suspects but after seeing their claims I started suspecting you, since you were the one who pressure them a lot, ...

This is fine.

3rd

I agreed with a lot of stuff you (Pierce) said and you might have tricked me there if you are really actually scum. If you are not scum well, we just think the same way then...

Once again talking to Pierce. In italic the parts I added to make it more clear.

I agree the last phrase was a little bit confusing.

@Raziek

It's ok.

 

[Padô]

@Lynch

Well, if town agrees to lynch RR... then I'll vote him up but I'm still a little skeptical about doing this.

 

[Padô]

EBWOP:

Skeptical just because I kinda believe his claim is true.

 

[T-block]

Can we get a solid stance then?

If you actually suspect Pierce of being scum for pressuring RR/Rajam, then you must believe their claims quite strongly. But now you're saying you kinda believe them?

 

[CT Chia]

I'm back in the action
appalled by the amount of posts since my last one
doing my best now to work through it all

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm gonna make something about UTD in a sec.

 

[CT Chia]

I really don't like Rajam saying he refuses to claim even before he's on the chopping block, I hope more comes from this with what I'm reading, since I'm still about 10 pages behind lol

 

[CT Chia]

@Chibo: please speak up on the rajam issue. do you find any validity in what he is saying? if so, which points and why

Even though I haven't been the most active, the Rajam issue is one of my most outspoken things. I'm really not a fan of vote hopping with no explanations. I don't like how he determines when he feels like he is done RVS, and why there even needs to be such a thing to begin with. And the fact that he refuses to claim even before massive pressure to do so just really puts me off.

 

[UTDZac]

I'm gonna make something about UTD in a sec.

Not sure how... you don't have anything to go off of. Are you just trying to draw attention away from your wagon? You're playing like you don't really care (self-vote) but now you do? I'm confused...

 

[T-block]

So Zac, how about you give us more to go off of? =)

 

[CT Chia]

Mario is in this Game, Bowyer is not which is why I tunneled Kryz about this because he kept speculating about that person a lot.

The four other characters are not all who they seem, meaning scum is using some of them for safe claims.

I crumbed this already if you look at my responses to Chibo and see how I said Mario was a town role while the others were not guaranteed town. Bowyer was my talk with Kryz about it so there is no point in hiding it if someone looked back and read it.

Is that like what your pm said? Something along the lines of
"Mario is in this game"
"Bowyer is not"
"The four other characters are not all who they seem"

For the four other characters. I assume you mean Mallow Peach Geno and Bowser?
But your assumption of scum using one of them as a safe claim is just that, right? An assumption? What if one of them is scum? The wording of other characters seems to suggest that it means they are in the game, and they aren't if they are safe claims.

But yea, basically roles like this are so easy to just kind of make up out of nothing.
Not to mention the information seems so random. Bowyer is not in this game doesn't really make sense. Why would that even be an issue in game play? Who ever is Bowyer wouldn't use him as a safe claim, so there is no need to catch someone in that lie.

Suspicion: What if RR is Bowyer?
That way there is no other Bowyer role to call him out on the lie
If Mario and the gang are town then they don't know for sure that all of the others exist and can confirm this or not.

Such limited information that can easily be faked.

Currently the course of action I would prefer to see is this:

Unvote Vote Red Ryu

Anyone that knows me knows that I like to keep claims to a minimum, and working off of guaranteed info is key.
Red Ryu is basically useless now, he's a VT. However there is one solid thing about him: From his death we confirm or deny the information he gave us, not to mention it removes a lot of WIFOM since I now can't get it off of my mind that he might be Bowyer. Bowyer is one of the major bosses in the game, it seems awkward that he wouldn't be in it.

As much as I despise Rajam's play, I would rather keep this hidden role of his under wraps and we go with the RR lynch. I feel scum is more likely to claim something else rather than refuse to claim like Rajam. I really don't like that he's doing it, but it's not a scumtell imo.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Of the 20 pages I have viewed in this game UTDZac has a grand total of 15 posts. 4 of them being RvS, so lets look at what he did post that wasn't RvS.

Shaya still not confirmed.
Omni feels obvious town.
Rajam voting people all over the place is ridiculous. Like throwing darts at a balloon wall (did i get it!)
Chibo is not indie.

Flavor talk, while intriguing, most likely won't get us anywhere Day 1.

The game starts and he makes quick comments, Rajam is true, the rest are common assumptions, calling someone not an indy is easy when usually only one player is an indy if at all. Calling Omni town seemed kinda fast considering when this was posted.

@Krystedez, simple version: I do not think Chibo is indie because of his talk of indies in an earlier post.

More about commenting on the Chibo being an indy, maybe he will go further with this?

@Pierce, I was taking a stance. The reasoning for the lack of clarification is so I could bait certain responses, like yours for example. Since my statement about Chibo wasn't really directed at any one individual and the fact that you picked up on it for whatever reason, tells me something about you. *takes note in his captain's log* You aren't a player that merely pays attention to people's posts directed towards yourself, but instead reach out and try to scumhunt.

I suppose it's fair when you consider I pulled a Rebecca Black move to do the same thing. He seems to take note of what Pierce has said. Which I'm not sure if he does bring up later.

But, then he says he lied about wanting to think Chibo was an Indy, interesting.

@Tblock, OS copy/pasta fail.

Comments about a mod error.

Raz, do you think the same applies to Day 2?

He asked Raziek if commenting about flavor is fine to comment about on Day 2. Raziek answers it depends on the flip. So let's see if this commented about later shall we?

Really Omni I'm not contributing? It's been nearly half a day since this game starting.

@RR how long are the Friday shenanigans gonna last?

@Zigsta, have you been reading all of the posts thoroughly or just skimming through?

Gets annoyed about not contributing, which I lol at when I looked over this and other facts.

Asks some more questions, no comment to Raziek's answer or follow up, let's see where these go.

Traveling across texas today. Will post when I can.

He says he will post when he can.

Here is the funny thing about this, for those who are mods check my Mafia Legend of Zelda there, he made a few posts in that one, look at his posting history he posts in the league of legends thread, responds to posts on his wall, and comments in the Texas thread.

From here there is a 5 day gap before he posts again. Notice something? He activitly avoided this game and didn't seem to post here at all, nor did he comment nor look at the answers to questions he asked. He needed to be prodded at one point.

He knew this game was going on, he visited the site multiple times and went to threads and his wall a lot of times and never once commented here.

Unvote
Vote: Red Ryu

Sorry for my absence.

@Tinman, how many forum mafia games have you played before this one?

I've only gotten to read the past few pages so far. Here are my reads:

Raz town
Hilt town
Raj town
Tin man town
Red ryu scum

Let's think about this for a second, he's still questioning tinman, but immediately calls him town. He places Rajam as obvious town right away, yet doesn't comment about his easier play, I find it odd that Pierce is off this list despite UTD seemed to enjoy his easier play a lot.

I find this to be skimming the past few pages and seeing a quick lynch.

I think Red Ryu is scum mostly because of his role. I think it's more likely that mafia would have an informative goon than town would have an informative townie. Even if he's not an informative role, it's an easy safe claim. You can't prove the part about Mario being in the game, and no one can disprove "Bowyer" not existing (cause RR is bowyer). He probably actually knows the Frogfucius man isn't in the game, hence his safeclaim The other small reason that drew my attention to him is the silly color crap.

@T-block, I figured he was referring to rule 7a in the OP.

Doesn't even mention Rajam isn't proven either, he assumes I am Bowyer oddly enough.

Think about the info I have, Mario is in this game, helps town, Bowyer is not, only part that could be pro scum due to it finding a possible indy, and then the original 4 members are not who they appear to be, that is pro town.

How in any way shape or form is my info or my role pro scum? And scum gets info about the set-up in the forum of safe claims, that is all they get from what I understand in the games I have been in.

Essentially this post is bull****.

I like Raz's play, as he's active and bringing good discussion to us. I don't have any "reads" on him other than that. Still in the process of re-reading (in chunks).

Despite the questions he asked earlier, oh and on top of this all he has is the recent posts and he puts him as town despite him not having anything else.

~

So in a nutshell:

He actively visited the site and other mafia games but decided to not post here.
Zero follow ups on his reads.
Makes up bull****.
only 15 posts in this game.
Limited content in those posts.

unvote
Vote: UTDZac

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gets those votes off me if you don't want a quick lynch btw.