Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[T-block]

@Hilt, Krystedez: Do you support Rajam's claim?

@Pierce: If Rajam is willing to claim, does that change your plans at all?

 

[Pierce7d]

probably, I'd focus on shaya, zac, pado, and raziek, for being the quietest of us.

 

[Pierce7d]

at this point, not really, but depends what he claims/the counter claim if any.

 

[Omni]

Before resting a while, question @Omni, Pierce, RR, T-block, Shaya:

Who would you go against if I flip town toDay? Ignore whatever may happen toNight

id definitely target the players who have been much more quieter or passive on the issue. like utd or chibo or zigsta. your wagon is so easy. i dont see scum trying to force nor spearhead it since ur doing all the work for them

 

[Pierce7d]

oh yeah, tin man is here now. Let's get some input for that kid.

Tin man, do you think rajam is scum?
Who aside from him is your top scum pick?
If you were a one shot cop, who aside from rajam, would you investigate and why?

 

[Padô]

unless utd is online right now, we can't do much about him.

Pado, welcome back. How do you feel about Shaya's relative quietness, and my case on krytedez?

Why is raziek quiet now?

T-block, if memory serves me correct, you wanted input from Hilt on Krystedez. Did you get enough input. What did you conclude?

Red ryu, if rajam were to suddenly die to a day vig and flip town, what would you do? Who would you suspect is scum other than him and why?

Hey Pierce,

Well, I'm worried about Shaya also, AFAIK the last time I played him he was playing kinda the same way but I didn't last long enough to tell stories, by the way he's a solid player it's definetely someone we have to lookout for specially if they are quiet enough;

Which makes me more worried about Shaya is that he didn't post too much so I can't get a precise read so far from him, i'll try to re-read all his posts when I get time.

About Krystedez, I'm sorry, I'll have juust to re-read your case against him, I've been focusing mainly on Rajam and RR for now but I believe I made clear my point about them so far.

I'll BRB with your answer on Krystedez.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'd target Tin man, I want more from him since him and Zig were the least alignment known players to me.

@Hilt: I find it funny you say that when your play is matching your Shaq style with the super aggressive behavior to counter points rather than a more passive stance.

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I'll only claim if a majority wants me to, only under that condition.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@RR: i'm waiting for serious input from UTD. he's been on my radar for a long time and hasn't given back any kind of ample information like Hilt has done. like honestly once he chimes in and i hear what he has to say about what's been going on then i'll be comfortable with lynching Rajam.

Him, Tin man and Shaya worry me on the inactives side, I hate inactives above all else in mafia, unless I am scum

They wreck games for town and make it hard to get good reads on them then town is shooting fish in a barrel, makes me wish more games had a vig.

Red ryu, if rajam were to suddenly die to a day vig and flip town, what would you do? Who would you suspect is scum other than him and why?

I'd view you as scum, that one I am sure of. I think a lot of your posts are still trying to fluff it up with side comments the hide the little content you post.

The rest I'm having issues, the problem is views theses buses like the ones at Kryz for example, if you were scummates with him, why bus him like this? I have to look at ends like this.

Guess I need another list to make.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

OK. After reading and Re-reading all the Rajam discussions and stuff around it, god... I feel BAD about the situation because everything we got from Rajam posts just gets dismissed by him saying "RVS, RVS, RVS...". We are not getting anything concrete from him right now, everything we can say about him is: He's useless so far, he missled town and created a ****load of WIFOM which makes discussion even more hard, specially on Day1 where we pretty much pull things out of no where.

I don't have a list about who's scummier or not so far everything I can write down is a USELESS/NOSENSE list:

Red Ryu
Rajam

Not saying everyone has contributed that much (not even me) but those 2 are the most noticeable ones that ****ed up towns start in the game. The bad thing about it is that we can't be sure they are Mafia so lynching them is not a 100% sure Mafia lynch but, it would still be good for town since we would kill missleading people. And, hell, how much time and posts have we spent on those 2 and figured out NOTHING? It's dumb to keep pressuring them, we should either lynch one of them right way or focus on other people like UTD Zac or whoever do we find out scummy.

I'm still not sure about unvoting Rajam, his answers to all questions didn't make me step back on the idea of lynching him, TBH I believe his answers were not convincing at all, but, at least he started to post like a damn human being.

About Red Ryu, I could easily switch my vote to him, a lot of people have stepped back on the idea but, I believe he took so much of towns time to figure out absolutely NOTHING which is pretty bad.

Following my thought process... I'm giving up on those two. I got enough from them to lynch them if we(town) believe it's worth it I'd still do it, but, from now on, I'll be focusing more on other players posts instead of losing my time and efforts with those two.

Why I'm telling all this you guys might ask yourselves? Well... I've been MIA for 5 days, I believe you guys might wanna know something from me since then, so I'm posting this.

"Some guys have been distracting town and not doing mcuh else so we should probably lynch one of them, right?" Thank you for that, Pado. I especially liked the part where you said that lynching them isn't a 100% chance of them being mafia. I hadn't realized that. Omni, I don't understand you saying this was a good post. I thought it was sarcasm until I read the second sentence.

@Hilt: I find it funny you say that when your play is matching your Shaq style with the super aggressive behavior to counter points rather than a more passive stance.

I... don't understand the point you're trying to make. What do you draw from this? Why do you find it "funny"? Be more direct with your statements.

Responding to things piece by piece and not in order.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Your playing like you did in Shaq, where you ended up more active, you never played like this in other mafia, you were a tad less active, so why are you more active than usual like Shaq mafia where you were scum?

Doing a meta read here.

 

[Omni]

pado is new, Hilt.

and if u just take the basics of what he's saying he essentially agrees that RR and Rajam need to die, that too much attention has been put into them, and that he'll be focusing on other players for the rest of the day

that single post is probably better than Rajam's entire play today so far

 

[Omni]

hilt is more active cuz he knows i'll guarantee his lynch if he coasts

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ok, gonna ask again, people wanted me to claim, who exactly wants me to claim?

 

[Omni]

i do !

 

[T-block]

I do not need to see your claim, RR.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Haha... RR, you do realize that out of the players that have been playing in this game, the only ones with less posts than me are UTD, Zigsta, and Tin Man, right? I've been relatively inactive this entire game. And are you really suggesting that active=scummy for any player? It's funny. In Pokemon Mafia I was drilled for being inactive when compared to Death Note when I had, by far, the the most posts in the game D1 before I died (both games I was town). Reading into meta for activity is pointless. Take a second and reread the point I made about you. I don't care about activity when comparing one game to another. The point I made about you was that in every single game I've played with you, you have done something dumb or scummy or just plain tried to cruise through the day and were called out on it and shaped yourself up. And whether or not this game is compared to the others, you have not gotten your *** into gear this game, and meta or not, that is scummy. The meta only backs my opinions. And then you try to turn that on me, saying that I'm playing active? And based on your meta on me, what does it make you think of me again?

However, I noticed you cleverly didn't state that you thought I was scummy in your post, once again avoiding commitment. It's the safest way, isn't it? I don't understand what's wrong, guy. Afraid it'll turn around on you?

Claim.

 

[Pierce7d]

Him, Tin man and Shaya worry me on the inactives side, I hate inactives above all else in mafia, unless I am scum

They wreck games for town and make it hard to get good reads on them then town is shooting fish in a barrel, makes me wish more games had a vig.



I'd view you as scum, that one I am sure of. I think a lot of your posts are still trying to fluff it up with side comments the hide the little content you post.

The rest I'm having issues, the problem is views theses buses like the ones at Kryz for example, if you were scummates with him, why bus him like this? I have to look at ends like this.

Guess I need another list to make.

i'm not going to pretend I've already busted a mafia goon, but as far as this game goes, I've beem considerably active and pro-active. When you compare my posts to the rest of the players, do you honestly consider it to have no content and all fluff.

I'd certainly like more stuff to build more cases off of, but I think I'm doing alright, as far as day 1 goes.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I've always hated when players outright state this, because I don't know what to make of it. My instinct tells me scum, but I've seen other players do it too, even when they are town. Is it just a personal style thing? Can you give any insight, Omni? What does everyone else think?

In the past year, I don't think I've played a single game with Omni where he hasn't said this, haha.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

T-Block, I don't think there's a reason for Rajam to claim. He isn't going to be lynched today.

 

[Omni]

T-Block, I don't think there's a reason for Rajam to claim. He isn't going to be lynched today.

 

[T-block]

Why do you say that, Hilt? Rajam lynch seems more likely than RR lynch to me at this point.

In Pokemon Mafia I was drilled for being inactive when compared to Death Note when I had, by far, the the most posts in the game D1 before I died (both games I was town). Reading into meta for activity is pointless.

I agree with this. I used it as scum in Pokemon mafia to build suspicion on Hilt, but being in my position, it was easy to see that applying meta on Hilt like that doesn't really work.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I got the claim count at 2 atm.

 

[Pierce7d]

uh, okay, looks like things are out of order here.

Hilt, what is your preferred play of the day. Most of the vocals are pushing rajam lynch

 

[Krystedez]

@Rajam

I think it's pretty clear that I think scum is on my wagon, and hence I'm been mostly focused on those players.

@Krystedez: when did I say you were scummy?? I said the opposite; I think you're town

The only other player I consider town so far is Hilt

I thought you were assuming I was scum that was the exception from being on your wagon from this post's context:

If I've been focusing only at the people on my wagon is because I feel most if not all scum joined it. The only exception is Krystedez, but the rest is either null (RR, Chibo) or scummy (Pierce, T-block, Omni, Shaya). You may call it OMGUS, but I strongly think a lot of scum is here

I guess I'm reading the context of this question wrong? Then you meant that the only exception was that I was on your wagon but I was town.

But you also confuse me about me being on your wagon. Superficially, maybe. I've been under the impression you've been up to something heinous that would require a lot of eyes on you. But, I've never put my vote on you. Does that count as being on your wagon?

Vote count:

Hilt - UTDZac,
Rajam - Zigsta, ChiboSempai, Pado,
UTD Zac- Pierce, Omni,
Red Ryu - Krystedez, Hilt,
Omni - Rajam,

Note Voting: T-block, Raziek, Red Ryu, Shaya,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

UTD Zac has been prodded

That's who my vote's been on and was my first vote of the toDay.


@T-Block

Thanks for your response on Krystedez - I agree with pretty much everything you said, and I think I would be fine with him claiming at this point, although I am getting more of a noobtown vibe than a scum vibe.

@Krystedez: To answer your question, if Rajam were a bomb, then sure, but that is such a vague possibility that I wouldn't even factor it into our analysis. If he were mafia bomb, he still wouldn't want to be lynched just to take out a town member. If he were town bomb he would have no reason to play like that. Indy bomb... what would be his wincon? I'm sorry if you are legitimately concerned about Rajam being a bomb, but this sort of thing is what can be seen as padding. Padding posts means you are making statements that are unnecessary or unhelpful. For town to function you do need to be active, but that doesn't mean you need large posts. Taking the above example, what if I were to accuse a player X, but in my accusation I said "oh but if x is an indy sk, then we should do this, but if x is a warlock, then we should do this, but if x is a jester then this, etc." I'm technically contributing content, but a lot of it is useless. Try making your posts a little more focused.

Alright, at least you've carefully taken my consideration. That's all I've ever wanted. I didn't think I made that large of a post honestly moreso than Praxis or Chibo ever did on their cases in BBRM (one scum, one town). But I guess it's largely based on how much content you believe I deliver is helpful.

If Rajam was indy, the only wincon I can think of would be that he is masoned with RR or someone else and that he has to protect them. Not entirely sure. Won't go into skeptics more than that.

In any case, I understand my case's plausibility. I apologize if I end up steering you guys the wrong direction here, but understand that I could very well be apologizing to the jokesters trying to suppress the truth.>=( I won't let off that easily until some other case has come to hand that seems more plausible.

@ T-Block

Rajam, can we get a final stance on claiming from you?

If you are put at L-1 with people willing to hammer, will you claim?

@Hilt, Krystedez: Do you support Rajam's claim?

How many people are in favor of a Rajam role claim?

Claim forcing sucks, especially when it's this late in toDay. What will we do if his claim makes us second guess ourselves? Will we be able to switch targets this late? I've kept my vote on RR this whole time.

If you guys can handle the problems with it this late, then I'm fine with it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: Rajam

I'm fully prepared to see him lynched for today at this point.

 

[Omni]

ya at this point i just wanna see:

- an RR claim followed by a rajam death or
- a rajam death

 

[Pierce7d]

@ krys

how does claim forcing suck? It's the typical play to make when you're looking for a lynch, and you want information first, to make sure that you don't lynch and important power role by accident.

@rr
you seem awfully eager to get this rajam lynch pushed through before we have a chance to deal with you.

 

[T-block]

How many people are in favor of a Rajam role claim?

Claim forcing sucks, especially when it's this late in toDay. What will we do if his claim makes us second guess ourselves? Will we be able to switch targets this late? I've kept my vote on RR this whole time.

If you guys can handle the problems with it this late, then I'm fine with it.

That's exactly what we're trying to avoid. In previous BBR games, it wasn't uncommon for claims to happen three hours before the deadline, in which case we would scramble to lynch someone else, or realize we don't have enough time and lynch anyways. This is a good time to claim, as it does still give us a decent amount of time to discuss how to proceed.

Hilt brought it up a while ago, but I do think we should aim to lynch by Wednesday, or Thursday at the latest. Let's proceed as if the deadline were Wednesday, okay?

 

[Pierce7d]

I want to see a rajam claim
analyze it
rr claim
analyze it
lynch one, prob rajam

 

[Pierce7d]

also, this is the perfect time for a claim to come ouut because we're just getting past stagnating discussion and we have a decent amount of day left.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Frogfucius (Wise townie)

I know info about the set-up, that is my only ability.

 

[Omni]

Weird role.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

uh, okay, looks like things are out of order here.

Hilt, what is your preferred play of the day. Most of the vocals are pushing rajam lynch

Considering I've been focusing on RR and support him claiming... I think it would be obvious. Has anyone else noticed that Ryu has given almost no reasoning at all or backed up statements whatsoever when called out on them? And he's been called out quite a bit. He just goes "ummm crap" quietly and tries something else. He's doing absolutely, absolutely nothing for town.

Vote: Rajam

I'm fully prepared to see him lynched for today at this point.

Give a damn opinion for once. I'm dead serious. You've said almost nothing of worth all game.

I do not want a Rajam lynch. Contrary to my last post, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened, but I much, much more so support RR's lynch.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Bull**** Hilt, I've said exactly why I want lynches on people, stop talking and lynch yourself.

 

[Omni]

i do think you're exaggerating a bit, Hilt.

 

[T-block]

RR, use your judgement - now that you have claimed, is it better for town to tell us what you know?

stop talking and lynch yourself.

lol wtf... I laughed at this post.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

i do think you're exaggerating a bit, Hilt.

You may be right. I'll stop tunneling.

Bull**** Hilt, I've said exactly why I want lynches on people, stop talking and lynch yourself.

Hahaha.

 

[Pierce7d]

ryu, for the time being, I believe you. However, if you have information about the set-up, why did you drastically ,islead town at the beginning of today?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Mario is in this Game, Bowyer is not which is why I tunneled Kryz about this because he kept speculating about that person a lot.

The four other characters are not all who they seem, meaning scum is using some of them for safe claims.

I crumbed this already if you look at my responses to Chibo and see how I said Mario was a town role while the others were not guaranteed town. Bowyer was my talk with Kryz about it so there is no point in hiding it if someone looked back and read it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

ryu, for the time being, I believe you. However, if you have information about the set-up, why did you drastically ,islead town at the beginning of today?

I view mafia as a fun game, I don't play it super seriously so I tend to do lol things and try out things in it.

So I said, "lets try faking a restriction to get roles."

That literally is why I did it.