Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[Rajam]

Omni why are you invisible?

 

[Omni]

I've been invisible since 2008.

Why are you concentrating on pointless meta as opposed to questions being asked to you? Are the questions difficult to answer? Are you tense, Rajam?

My vote is on UTD 'cuz he's inactive and I do not like coasters, but in spirit I am triple voting you at the moment, Rajam.

 

[Rajam]

@Rajam: Re-read through my posts very carefully especially of which were about you. I couldn't pin any scumminess on you because there were no scum vibes because for the first part of the game all you did was troll and play very awkward and sporadic.

My vote on you as stuck and stayed the entire game so that you'd take your thumb out your *** and start playing real mafia. When you finally returned, you decided to say that everyone who was on your wagon was scummy because you don't believe your wagon was... hm... deserved? In which case: "During that time, who's wagon do you believe would be more deserved and why?

Re: Raziek, because of his quick defense on players, and Pierce because of his scummy list

There were two really big things that made me question your play:

1.) I have never seen you play like this in any game of Mafia. And I have been playing in a lot of games of Mafia with you where you were town. Why would you, for this game, purposely extend the RVS way past its due time? Because you felt like it? That isn't consistent for your play. Unless during the time we haven't played together you've decided to become utterly useless in the beginning of a game. And your response of "Omni, it's null," was horrible and weak. You never did respond back to what I said.

Re: lot of games = two games. Why the exageration?

Re: Refresh my memory

2.) Your attention to only players who were on your wagon. Your entire focus has been built on players on your wagon yet I don't think you even touched on player's who were/are on RR's wagon. The small RR vs. T-block with Raziek/Me side issue meant nothing to you. Your opinions are centered around thinking that anyone who felt like you needed die or be pressured into claim/playing mafia correctly is scum.

Re: Most if not all scum is on my wagon. Why focus in the players not in my wagon?


Hilt's opinion on you vs. Rajam? Or do you mean you & Rajam?

@Hilt: RR can still die, but I don't get any strong feelings that he's scum. I recently played two games with him where he was town and I can't find anything "off" with his play. You should really go back to the LoD and perhaps read up on them; RR looks scummy as hell but he never was. Which makes me think I need to find a game where he is indeed scum to compare.

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My issue is that a lot of this game was deterred by:

- Rajam's ***********
- RR's unnecessary gambit

Both of them were anti-town, but neither of those actions were necessarily scummy. If the two are town then it makes it very easy for scum to board the wagon without looking scummy (which is why their play was horrible in the first place).

And now the game has slowed down quite a bit. Two of the "inactive" slots I really wanted to speak up was Hilt and UTD. Hiltbro has come through. UTD (who I am now voting for) has fallen back into the shadows.

*ramble ramble* Stopping here for post length wise and so I can directly speak with certain players.

Omni: I think I'm dealing with scum here with you and Pierce but w/e i'll be here a while so throw all the questions/points you think I haven't responded so far.

Also, I'd like you to be visible this game. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[Rajam]

I've been invisible since 2008.

Why are you concentrating on pointless meta as opposed to questions being asked to you? Are the questions difficult to answer? Are you tense, Rajam?

My vote is on UTD 'cuz he's inactive and I do not like coasters, but in spirit I am triple voting you at the moment, Rajam.

Says the guy who is on me because of my different play

 

[Omni]

I think it's pretty clear that I think scum is on my wagon, and hence I'm been mostly focused on those players.

@Krystedez: when did I say you were scummy?? I said the opposite; I think you're town

The only other player I consider town so far is Hilt

Hilt, being the hugest advocate of a non-Rajam wagon simply because he finds the RR wagon to be more tastier.

Seriously, dude. Your initial RVS stunt wasn't scummy. It was surprising and awkward and out of character and anti-town, but it wasn't scummy. It's your follow-up that's been stinkin' up the place. An OMGUS tunneling who thinks anyone who was on his wagon is scum and anyone who wasn't is town. The fact that you consider everyone on your wagon either scum or null; none being town.

I mean I ain't gonna' sum it up 'cuz it's obvious but you're playing stubborn and pretending you're not in a tight spot. And if you'd seriously just focus on responding to points and answering questions I'd be content but rather you're just doing your own thing and playing like the pressure against you is moot.

I mean, wtf, why do you care about whether or not I'm invisible? You didn't ask that question to me in any other game of mafia, so why are you just now asking that question? Moreso, why are you just now realizing it? I feel like you're fishing for reasons to back up your "everyone who's against me is scum" complex and it's becoming more and more obvious how tunneled you are into it.

@Chibo: please speak up on the rajam issue. do you find any validity in what he is saying? if so, which points and why

 

[Rajam]

Hilt, being the hugest advocate of a non-Rajam wagon simply because he finds the RR wagon to be more tastier.

Hilt because of realizing how quick and fishy the wagon came from

Seriously, dude. Your initial RVS stunt wasn't scummy. It was surprising and awkward and out of character and anti-town, but it wasn't scummy. It's your follow-up that's been stinkin' up the place. An OMGUS tunneling who thinks anyone who was on his wagon is scum and anyone who wasn't is town. The fact that you consider everyone on your wagon either scum or null; none being town.

I'll check if your reaction has been on my follow-up play.
Krystedez is/was on my wagon and I consider him town.

I mean I ain't gonna' sum it up 'cuz it's obvious but you're playing stubborn and pretending you're not in a tight spot. And if you'd seriously just focus on responding to points and answering questions I'd be content but rather you're just doing your own thing and playing like the pressure against you is moot.

I mean, wtf, why do you care about whether or not I'm invisible? You didn't ask that question to me in any other game of mafia, so why are you just now asking that question? Moreso, why are you just now realizing it? I feel like you're fishing for reasons to back up your "everyone who's against me is scum" complex and it's becoming more and more obvious how tunneled you are into it.

So, in resume, will you become visible or not?

@Chibo: please speak up on the rajam issue. do you find any validity in what he is saying? if so, which points and why

Omni what do you think of the way Pierce formed/joined my wagon?

 

[Omni]

dude, don't post responses like that. it's hard/annoying trying to reply back to it with quotes.

- so you'd be on Raziek because his of his defense on players? that's really broad. during the RR vs. T-block incident i'm pretty sure he picked a side. defended one player. supported another. so expound on this

- a lot of games was in reference to the fact that i've only been in a small select few games recently most of which you have been in.

- refreshing your memory

so? your point? If I've never done it before, then it isn't a tell of any sort as well

you've been town in every game i've played you in, Rajam

this is what really irked me. dismissing my issue with you playing differently with something this... incorrect. my point stands and it's important. you are doing something that is out of the ordinary from what you usually do and somehow this meta equates to me being invisible? which is something that i have been for 3+ years? bull****, rajam. bull****.

- "most if not all scum is on my wagon" is really bustin my mafia balls at the moment. ive never seen someone respond to a wagon by saying, "you're all scum". ur tunneling. hard. and being really anti-town

Also, I'd like you to be visible this game. Do you have a problem with that?

i dont have a problem with it. i'm just not going to do it. hope you dont have a problem with that but im not gonna change my settings so u can distract us with a null meta.

Says the guy who is on me because of my different play

already addressed. me being invisible does not equal you playing in such a way that is completely different from how i've normally seen you play. you're not this bad at logic and reasoning so it bothers me when u try to compare apples and oranges

 

[Omni]

- fine with Hilt reasoning.

- what do you mean "check"? you should know at this point who finds you scummy and for what. if i recall, you first believed i was null but then i quickly adjusted to the scum category once i applied questioning/pressure to your follow-up. in your shoes as i said before the whole point should be locating players who find you SCUMMY for your rvs play. i dont understand why you dont have this already laid out especially since you're suppose to be concentrating on me and players on your wagon.

- answered your question about the invisible-ness. but u didn't address the overlying point about u reaching. and u didnt address it because you know it's valid and u know you're reaching.

- the way Pierce formed your wagon was the way i'd expect Pierce to form any wagon. he's very analytical (probably over analyzes too much) when he formulates his speculations. it seemed very Pierce like. so did his list. the only thing about Pierce that was off was his aggression was moreso placed rather than consistent, but he has picked up on that just as Hilt has

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't like this buddy attitude from Rajam with people who think he not the play for today, or people who agree with you. Sounds like something I would do,

Rajam, the reason people sound scummy is pretty simple, your not answering questions appropriately, and your not looking for good scum picks.

@Everyone else:

You got two choices.

If
1) Drill other players, find scum
else
2) Lynch Rajam, day is used.

We are at this point, there is no other way to go about this, why are we bothering with Rajam if he is not going to claim, nor is he going to look at anyone who isn't on his case.

UTD is on my radar now, need to think about him.

 

[Pierce7d]

omni, at this point it's not worth anymore time to deal with rajam. He doesn't know how to deal with pressure, he's stated that he refuses to claim, and he's wasting time. We know what we need to know. He said he's not talking, so we lynch him.

 

[Omni]

@RR: i'm waiting for serious input from UTD. he's been on my radar for a long time and hasn't given back any kind of ample information like Hilt has done. like honestly once he chimes in and i hear what he has to say about what's been going on then i'll be comfortable with lynching Rajam

@Pierce: the problem is that previously i didn't find Rajam to be all that scummy. and i was still a bit skeptical in his follow-up. so im really trying to see if i can understand his logic but as i go deeper it's not sitting well with me nor is his responses. so i guess ur right

 

[T-block]

@Rajam: Why does it matter whether Omni is invisible? He's definitely been one of the more active players despite being invisible, so I don't see the problem. If he were inactive and lurking, then I could see why you would ask that, but why does it matter given the current situation?

@Rajam: As others have now told you, no one is on you for your RVS. They are on you for reaction to pressure. Honestly, if you can't see that, then you should probably die even if you are town, because we do not want someone who does not listen to the arguments brought up and cannot follow logic in LYLO.

@Rajam: I don't think you ever addressed Pierce's point. There are four players you supposedly have a hard scum read on, but it's unlikely that there are four scum in this game. That alone shows that there is at least one town player who thinks you should die for town reasons. If there's one, why couldn't there be more? How do you respond to that? Krystedez brought that up too.

@Hilt: I can give you some of my stances. Thanks for your response on Krystedez - I agree with pretty much everything you said, and I think I would be fine with him claiming at this point, although I am getting more of a noobtown vibe than a scum vibe. I have a town read on RR though - he had an explanation for his behaviour and has placed himself under a fair bit of pressure. I don't think the play was necessary, but I don't think it's something scumRyu would do, although I've never played with scumRyu.

@Krystedez: To answer your question, if Rajam were a bomb, then sure, but that is such a vague possibility that I wouldn't even factor it into our analysis. If he were mafia bomb, he still wouldn't want to be lynched just to take out a town member. If he were town bomb he would have no reason to play like that. Indy bomb... what would be his wincon? I'm sorry if you are legitimately concerned about Rajam being a bomb, but this sort of thing is what can be seen as padding. Padding posts means you are making statements that are unnecessary or unhelpful. For town to function you do need to be active, but that doesn't mean you need large posts. Taking the above example, what if I were to accuse a player X, but in my accusation I said "oh but if x is an indy sk, then we should do this, but if x is a warlock, then we should do this, but if x is a jester then this, etc." I'm technically contributing content, but a lot of it is useless. Try making your posts a little more focused.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I want to lynch Rajam at this point since he refuses to claim in any shape or form.

Oh, THAT'S why? How about that. Trying to search for reasons that haven't been brought up yet? Why do you think he should claim? Because you find him to be scum? If so, why? I don't want to claim, Ryu. Want to lynch me too? What about you? Would you like to claim? Actually, before you answer that, what do people think about RR claiming?

Regarding Rajam's OMGUS explosion, I agree with not liking that Rajam's entire focus as of late has been on those that were on his initial wagon. Finding it interesting that he hasn't jumped on the RR wagon as easily as he could. Instead, he's focused on targets that... aren't very easy at all. He even finds Krys town, whom others are suspicious of, with good reason. This makes me feel that he actually believes these suspicions, and that they aren't based solely on them being people who have voted him.

I can understand what you see about RR in relation to his previous play. I can remember his play in Pokemon and (I think it was) Shaq 2 having some similarities. However I remember his scumminess being mostly based on his reluctance to make commitment and stances. However, what I do remember, was that after he was pressured for these reasons, he cast them aside and shaped up. Both times had this pattern. I'm not seeing it happen this time around. I feel like I've said this before in this game... maybe I'm imagining things.

Krys. I used the word "reaching" once. And you were. But I didn't focus that much on it, it wasn't the point I was making. The point I was making, was that you're filling your posts with fluff and not getting us closer to finding scum. Being worried about a bomb role and being careful about who would blow up if it exists is cool and great, but spending as much time as you did on it, not being clear about the subject at that... there's little point. All you had to do was say "I'd rather RRR hammer in case Rajam is a bomb" and that would be the end of it. Instead, you take this and stretch it as far as you can (like you have with other points) to better fill your post.

 

[Pierce7d]

unless utd is online right now, we can't do much about him.

Pado, welcome back. How do you feel about Shaya's relative quietness, and my case on krytedez?

Why is raziek quiet now?

T-block, if memory serves me correct, you wanted input from Hilt on Krystedez. Did you get enough input. What did you conclude?

Red ryu, if rajam were to suddenly die to a day vig and flip town, what would you do? Who would you suspect is scum other than him and why?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Ninja'd by Rajam vs Everyone conversation that just happened. Opinions based on posts made before #597.

 

[Omni]

@hilt: totally cool with RR claiming. like i said earlier. double day vig needs to still shoot them both

actually an RR claim followed by a Rajam lynch (based on RR's claim) would be spectacular

 

[Pierce7d]

@hilt

i would greatly like to see rr claim followed by lynching rajam.

 

[T-block]

@Hilt: As I said, I think RR is town, but it's not a super strong read. I don't think he should claim, but I can understand if others do.

@Pierce: Yeah he did - if you have any follow-up analysis go ahead and post it. I asked Hilt about Krystedez more because I wanted to hear more from Hilt in general. However, apart from getting a town vibe from that post in general, I think if Krystedez flips scum, then Hilt is town. The Krystedez wagon is not an easy wagon to be on in my opinion, and Hilt seemed to be legitimately scumhunting, and pretty much everything he said about those posts I agree with.

im looking for a person to hold hands with. and im looking for stronger players that i know about to exhibit that 'i am clearly obv town' aura which Hilt seems to be displaying the most next to Raziek with a side of Chibo

I've always hated when players outright state this, because I don't know what to make of it. My instinct tells me scum, but I've seen other players do it too, even when they are town. Is it just a personal style thing? Can you give any insight, Omni? What does everyone else think?

 

[Rajam]

dude, don't post responses like that. it's hard/annoying trying to reply back to it with quotes.

- so you'd be on Raziek because his of his defense on players? that's really broad. during the RR vs. T-block incident i'm pretty sure he picked a side. defended one player. supported another. so expound on this

- a lot of games was in reference to the fact that i've only been in a small select few games recently most of which you have been in.

- refreshing your memory





this is what really irked me. dismissing my issue with you playing differently with something this... incorrect. my point stands and it's important. you are doing something that is out of the ordinary from what you usually do and somehow this meta equates to me being invisible? which is something that i have been for 3+ years? bull****, rajam. bull****.

- "most if not all scum is on my wagon" is really bustin my mafia balls at the moment. ive never seen someone respond to a wagon by saying, "you're all scum". ur tunneling. hard. and being really anti-town



i dont have a problem with it. i'm just not going to do it. hope you dont have a problem with that but im not gonna change my settings so u can distract us with a null meta.



already addressed. me being invisible does not equal you playing in such a way that is completely different from how i've normally seen you play. you're not this bad at logic and reasoning so it bothers me when u try to compare apples and oranges

I read it as a quick intent to try to gain town points. I'm just coming from an ongoing game where scum did that, so, sorry about being a little paranoic about that.

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Players:
Rajam
Red Ryu -> on my wagon
Raziek -> was on my wagon/got kinda inactive
Omni -> on my wagon
UTDZac -> inactive
Zigsta/Tin Man -> inactive
Hilt -> not on my wagon
Pierce -> on my wagon
T-block -> on my wagon
Pado -> on my wagon/ kinda inactive
Chibo -> on my wagon
Shaya -> on my wagon
Krystedez -> on my wagon

Omni how do you want me not look at players on my wagon?? they're all there, except for Hilt and inactives. 4-5 scumpicks among like 9 players on my wagon is OMGUS to you?

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You're trying to meta me based on two relatively old games. It seems you've been reading other games where I've been in though.

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I'll leave the "invisible" point aside.

 

[Omni]

@t-block: idk why you'd hate it. it's still mafia. it's a game about trust and deceit. finding scum works both ways to finding town.

sometimes i'll play a game and i'll pick up really strong scum vibes. sometimes i'll play a game and i'll pick up really strong town vibes. both of those are stances which i'm totally cool with making. the same way that i'll commit to killing a player by lynching them because i think they're scum is the same way i'd commit to wanting to keep a player a live because i think they're town.

scumhunting is just one aspect of the game. looking for players who exhibit very town-ish qualities is also important. essentially, figuring out players who seem to be the most town-ish helps me narrow down my scumlist. worst case scenario i'm keeping players alive who are clearly playing a pro-town game and leaving enough trails to reveal their faction if they are indeed scum

 

[Overswarm]

Vote count:

Hilt - UTDZac,
Rajam - Zigsta, ChiboSempai, Pado,
UTD Zac- Pierce, Omni,
Red Ryu - Krystedez, Hilt,
Omni - Rajam,

Note Voting: T-block, Raziek, Red Ryu, Shaya,


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 29th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

UTD Zac has been prodded

 

[Pierce7d]

i'm biased because Omni was the first mafia veteran I ever played with. Basically, it's null to me. If he were scum, he might want to do this to buddy with town. If he's town, it increases his hunting power, and makes his intentions clear to the rest of town. I just ignore that wifom in my head and consider it null.

 

[Pierce7d]

rajam, you still make no sense. You say 9 players are on your wagon, but the primary reason you give for 4 of those players being scummy is that they're on your wagon. How is this incosistancy not anti-town?

 

[T-block]

That's fine, Omni, but outright stating "i'm looking to buddy town players" doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's just something I need to get used to.

 

[Omni]

im not sure what to tell you, Rajam. you seemed very confident in your "feeling" that alot of scum was on your wagon. that's a pretty weak statement considering as you said everyone minus inactives and Hilt was on it. why don't inactives concern you? why doesn't the fact that only Hilt thinks you're fine concern you?

im not trying to meta you. it was an observation. you were playing different from the two games you and i were involved in. it struck me as odd and when i pressed you on this u denounced my point altho it was valid. i dont find you scummy because you're playing different; i'm finding you scummy because your play this game is becoming scummy from your RVS follow-up.

@t-block: it normally doesn't sit right with most people but people kinda get use to me doing that after realizing it's just the way i play. and i think it's the reason why i'm really good at identifying scum. see: Chrono Trigger Mafia or Final Fantasy Remix Mafia where i applied the same tools

 

[Pierce7d]

buddying won you the CT game as scum though Omni -_-

 

[Rajam]

- fine with Hilt reasoning.

- what do you mean "check"? you should know at this point who finds you scummy and for what. if i recall, you first believed i was null but then i quickly adjusted to the scum category once i applied questioning/pressure to your follow-up. in your shoes as i said before the whole point should be locating players who find you SCUMMY for your rvs play. i dont understand why you dont have this already laid out especially since you're suppose to be concentrating on me and players on your wagon.

- answered your question about the invisible-ness. but u didn't address the overlying point about u reaching. and u didnt address it because you know it's valid and u know you're reaching.

- the way Pierce formed your wagon was the way i'd expect Pierce to form any wagon. he's very analytical (probably over analyzes too much) when he formulates his speculations. it seemed very Pierce like. so did his list. the only thing about Pierce that was off was his aggression was moreso placed rather than consistent, but he has picked up on that just as Hilt has

check = going back and re-read. I can remember main points of different players on me, but my memory sucks and have to constantly go back and read things again because I forget/mix things, so I need to check little details and trails.

This is what I've been attacking. How much do you think Pierce got influenced by my RVS play? I responded to T-block a couple of hours before showing him how Pierce started his attack on me based on that

I don't understand this much, but I asked about you being invisible because I quickly noticed you weren't visible and I don't like that. However I'll just pressure about this at deadlines:

@everyone: If you're not going to be for deadline if it comes to it, I want to know why, and I want an excuse in advance, not later.

idk if RR is visible or not this game, but in FE Mafia I detected him being in deadline time and not voting which almost meant a No Lynch; I noticed him online, told him he was online not voting, and he had to hammer; after that OS told him to go invisible in the scum QT. So, at least if players are not willing to get visible, I expect them to say if they're going to be by deadline time (again, if it comes to it), with detailed schedule.

 

[Omni]

uh, do u think it was wrong for Pierce to start a wagon on you

 

[T-block]

Rajam, can we get a final stance on claiming from you?

If you are put at L-1 with people willing to hammer, will you claim?

 

[Rajam]

@RR: i'm waiting for serious input from UTD. he's been on my radar for a long time and hasn't given back any kind of ample information like Hilt has done. like honestly once he chimes in and i hear what he has to say about what's been going on then i'll be comfortable with lynching Rajam

@Pierce: the problem is that previously i didn't find Rajam to be all that scummy. and i was still a bit skeptical in his follow-up. so im really trying to see if i can understand his logic but as i go deeper it's not sitting well with me nor is his responses. so i guess ur right

what
how did it come you wanting me to claim then?

 

[T-block]

^I've already explained how that can be possible, Rajam -_- I felt the same way earlier in the day. You clearly didn't read my posts that well.

 

[Omni]

buddying won you the CT game as scum though Omni -_-

lol, nah, u guys believing that my win condition was to lynch the Lavos spawn was what won it. and me nailing scum after scum one by one sealed the deal.

never trust an outed indy

 

[Pierce7d]

rajam, in case you didn't notice, I've been trying so hard not to get distracted by your increasingly questionable play. I voiced my suspicions on you when I did a voting sequence check, and then proceeded to focus on RR and Krys, since you were already recieving a lot of attention

however, whereas RR has just begun to coast, you are being just as difficult and questionable as ever, so I was forced to redirect my attention on you. If you flip scum and I put no pressure on you, I would look extremely scummy.

Evem amongst this extremely dominant wagon, I still a, questioning other player. However you are focus completely on yourself, more than any other player. You've attracted much attention to yourself, and your scum picks are revolving around yourself. This is very suspicious to me.

You're not cleaning up, you refuse to claim, and you make me wish I could vote 7 times.

 

[Pierce7d]

also, if that wasn't my first game of mafia ever omni, I would have cut you in two =P

 

[Omni]

<3 pierce

what
how did it come you wanting me to claim then?

oh and yeah Shaya. rajam wagon is so in right now. if we can't get enough content out of him then we'd at least aim for a claim.

@rajam: btw, what was the point of you asking me some of the questions you asked me? i feel like you've been kinda throwing out questions but haven't really been following up with them making me think you're only asking for the sake of asking.

@T-Block: i'm voting Rajam because he's useless, distracting, and his "posting restriction" doesn't seem to be real thus rubbing me off as scummy. also his complete lack of follow up on his questions smell like stinky feet

that's how.

cmon, you're suppose to be building the case on me. how confident are you that i'm scum really?

 

[Rajam]

uh, do u think it was wrong for Pierce to start a wagon on you

The problem and what I find scummy is how big of a deal he made it look, and I also because I consider he is biased by my initial play.

Rajam, can we get a final stance on claiming from you?

If you are put at L-1 with people willing to hammer, will you claim?

I'll claim if both Hilt and Krystedez support it.

Taking a break. Need to do a re-read and think on several things.

 

[Rajam]

Before resting a while, question @Omni, Pierce, RR, T-block, Shaya:

Who would you go against if I flip town toDay? Ignore whatever may happen toNight

 

[T-block]

Krystedez is my next top scum pick.

I would also pressure Raziek now. I don't think he's given any reason for his lack of activity, and I've seen him post elsewhere on the boards.

 

[T-block]

But if your question was more specifically asking whether you flip would change anything, then no. I honestly think it's perfectly reasonable for town to be on your wagon now. In fact, I might look at those who weren't willing to vote you, because if scum would know you were town, and might not vote to look better -_-

 

[Pierce7d]

i usually consider that a null tell

i find it slightly suspicious that you said ''if you flip town'' instead of ''when I flip town''. You're supposed to know for a fact if you're town,

it largely depends on what RR claims today, to answer your question.