Stuff About Puff

[idea]

ICs are going to wavedash at you all sneaky like and try to grab you. assume they're always about to wavedash at you. it kind of helps to avoid stuff. and try not to shield too much.

if you hit both shields with an aerial the l-cancel timing is different.

if you're getting wobbled on your last stock just quit out lol

What do you do against falco's down throw

tech it. teching away is pretty good. just not every time, y'know.

 

[Mahone]

ICs are going to wavedash at you all sneaky like and try to grab you. assume they're always about to wavedash at you. it kind of helps to avoid stuff. and try not to shield too much.

if you hit both shields with an aerial the l-cancel timing is different.

if you're getting wobbled on your last stock just quit out lol



tech it. teching away is pretty good. just not every time, y'know.

Ya, predict the wavedashes and pound, its really easy. Normally you would also wanna predict and fsmash sometimes cuz the payoff is so high, but not with wobbling.

Don't quit out!!! Don't do it, they have a lot of pressure on them too.

Can you imagine what would have happened if everyone quit out after jiggs got an upthrow or jab reset on the last stock... i would have so many more wins lol

 

[FoxLisk]

yo mahone you always DI up and away when I dthrow you with falco and dont have to tech and are in a position i can't hit you with anything from. what are you talkin about with this teching nonsense

 

[Mahone]

yo mahone you always DI up and away when I dthrow you with falco and dont have to tech and are in a position i can't hit you with anything from. what are you talkin about with this teching nonsense

I think you could probably upsmash, im diing that way cuz i expect the upthrow and am being ******** lol, but ya we should test it to see if it works.

 

[idea]

i think before high percents you can just fsmash jiggs with falco if she DIs dthrow away.

 

[dudutsai]

Mahone is right. Don't quit out of matches before they finish, because you never know what may happen. I am disappointed in you, Idea. You were my hero..

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I thought I was your hero

 

[idea]

what does it matter when they're wobbling you =P

like if it's YOUR last stock too then wait and see if they screw up, but if they have an extra then you might as well save yourself the time. you could have been playing an extra 5 seconds of friendlies.

 

[Mahone]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298777

ITS TIEM... tell me what you guys think!

If you guys think i left out stuff or you can write something better just let me know and i'll change it

 

[genkaku]

How viable is pound>rest?

 

[Mahone]

depends what character you are playing, its really good against sheik but if they mess up di, it can work on fox and falco also (mabye others, but ive never got it against other chars)

 

[Kaiasian]

Ever since my brother utilized grabs more often, I've been having a lot more trouble playing against Marth, since I keep getting killed at around 60% via Dthrow to Fsmash.

How do I avoid Marth's large grab range? And while we're at it, IC's too?

 

[idea]

How viable is pound>rest?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgmt_o-BtLw&t=11m30s

lol, i had to.

it only works when they screw up DI. usually there's a better option than pound and even when it hits most people DI behind you. but every now and then...

 

[Mahone]

Ever since my brother utilized grabs more often, I've been having a lot more trouble playing against Marth, since I keep getting killed at around 60% via Dthrow to Fsmash.

How do I avoid Marth's large grab range? And while we're at it, IC's too?

you can crouch marth's grab to rest and di it down when you get downthrown, that should get you out of fsmash range. Against ICs just stay in the air as much as you can to avoid grabs....

You know, there is a really helpful guide that talks about the marth matchup

HERE, so check it out!

 

[Kaiasian]

you can crouch marth's grab to rest and di it down when you get downthrown, that should get you out of fsmash range. Against ICs just stay in the air as much as you can to avoid grabs....

You know, there is a really helpful guide that talks about the marth matchup

HERE, so check it out!

That's odd, because I've gotten grabbed several times when I tried to crouch.

When I DI down, and I supposed to tech it also? Because I've had the problem of teching and maybe rolling, only to get JC grabbed again when I try to flee or retaliate following the roll or tech. Also, Marth seems to always grab me out of the air (same with IC) when I attempt to attack. It may be because I'm spacing poorly, but when I am taking cation to not get grabbed and end up getting grabbed from a what appears to be a broken range, I question how I'm approaching this.

 

[idea]

yeah, marth can still grab you sometimes when you're crouching...i think it's his dash grab that extends lower than the other ones. maybe WD back + crouch when you would otherwise have just crouched. i mean, it still doesn't grab jiggs that easily.

but a better solution is to wait for the dash grab, get out of the way, and hit him with something. dash grab is laggy so just wait for him to miss and punish it.

he really shouldn't be grabbing you out of the air, though. maybe you should start your aerials sooner. and...yeah, spacing. ICs i don't know much about, but if they're grabbing you out of the air it's probably the same issue as marth.

basically...moves beat marth's grab. if marth is hitting with grab that much, it is in your best interest to just keep throwing out moves until he stops doing that =P
> this strategy is otherwise bad against marth. if he starts spamming fair or something then you have to be patient and bair him out of it. marth and jiggs have sort of counter strategies for each other so you have to know how to switch when he does.

oh, and yeah, DI down then tech if you need to (if not teching would have allowed him to combo fsmash). it's kind of a mix-up. sometimes it's best to just DI in so you don't get tippered. DIing just away (not away and down) is usually the one that lets him tipper you.

 

[AnDaLe]

Realized that if you put someone to sleep, its almost an automatic star KO from rest on Falcon

 

[dudutsai]

Thought about it, then realized that you are wrong.

So wrong.

 

[Ocean]

Realized that if you put someone to sleep, its almost an automatic star KO from rest on Falcon

what the **** did I just read?

 

[AnDaLe]

If you put falcon to sleep then rest him, Falcon will almost always die at the top the stage a.k.a. star KO ( i was testing this with other falcon players). Watch my match against darkrain (game 2) in Winner's Finals at SMYM. You'll see... I'll post the vid later... and, yes, i made Darkrain goto sleep by singing!

You can watch it in bad quality at www.ustream.tv/channel/peefsmash Right before he loses his second stock

lol no offense to darkrain =). You're just too good that i can't believe i got that

 

[idea]

......why?

 

[AnDaLe]

I'm not soo sure, but i know it works. I'm assuming because of the angle?

 

[idea]

this might be a stupid question, but...did you try telling them to DI it down?

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm not even gonna lie. That was pretty cute.

edit: lol Darkrain game 3.

 

[AnDaLe]

Idea, no i didn't. But i assumed the guy tried.

 

[hungrybox]

Uptilt to Rest against DK is practically unbeatable. Shield stabbing works.

Don't get Donkey Punched.

 

[hungrybox]

Pound to Rest is pretty good on floaties.

Pound to Setup to rest is highly, highly recommended against any char.

Next time you play one of those dashdancing *******s do a downward angled Pound in the air between the space between you guys. Prepare for jab reset.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Puff's U-tilt starts as a dot near the ground so it's actually really good at poking under peoples' shields and nicking their feet.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Hungrybox with the real talk

 

[earla]

got a question.
took a fox player to dreamland.

he camped me basically and only approaches was either fh nair/grab/ platform bairs/ running away lasers.

any tips on jiggs vs fox if they're camping hard?

 

[dudutsai]

That's the hardest part about vs fox, and I get ***** by platform camping foxes all the time.

If I know the fox player knows to camp platforms, I will CP Yoshi's instead.


Not much on advice though.... if I knew what to do I wouldn't suck as much as I do.... Maybe try being more patient with uair?

 

[idea]

yeah, but since i'm about to go to sleep...just don't CP dreamland. it's not actually good if they know how to camp jiggs. try yoshi's/fod. battlefield isn't so bad either...or i guess brinstar heh.

 

[Mahone]

got a question.
took a fox player to dreamland.

he camped me basically and only approaches was either fh nair/grab/ platform bairs/ running away lasers.

any tips on jiggs vs fox if they're camping hard?

Luckily, Mahone was **** enough to make this guide:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298777

If you look at the fox section i talk about how to deal with that

Who is the mod for the puff boards? Could we get my guide stickied?

 

[earla]

what is purpose of nair backwards? can it combo into different stuff?

 

[Tamoo]

Teczero is our only mod apparantly

 

[idea]

hi teczero =D

has he posted here once? lol...maybe he just didn't have to cause we're so law-abiding. quick, someone post offensive porn.

edit: nair backwards is cool. it's good if you hit the nair but it's really really easy to not get hit by a slow move with no range. (and yes, it combos into rest or uptilt basically)

 

[genkaku]

AnDaLe is a lot of fun to watch.

 

[Massive]

AnDaLe is a lot of fun to watch.

Except during those Cosmo matches...
I don't think those were fun for anyone.

 

[earla]

best options from ledge for jiggs to recover?

can jiggs use edge invincibility at all? like an invincible ledge drop nair/waveland ?

 

[Mahone]

Most people won't pressure near the edge because they are scared of getting gimped, but if they are, just jump off and bair them if they are close or waveland on shield is good... i do both here, first the bairs and then the waveland on, this isn't the best example of when to do either i guess, but i'm too lazy to find a better example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8VoblB2sW0#t=1m03s

Here's another example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8VoblB2sW0#t=2m1s

(i try fair on and it doesn't work, then i space a bair, and notice how i get over him and back to center stage, you could also just go to the platform to mix it up, but hopefully you get the idea)

No, she can't really use invul at all.