[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[DaybreakHorizon]

Given the trend of fighting games and DLC passes I really doubt there will not be a 2nd fighters pass. As of right now, Smash Ultimate's DLC is much less than other fighting games DLC rosters. Yes it has waaaaay more characters in the base roster, but the fact they would be saying no to more profit doesn't seem likely. With only 5 characters there would be less DLC characters than Smash Wii U had. And if the rumor surrounding Erdrick, Ryu Hayabusa, Steve and Doom Guy is to be believed. There is no Nintendo characters in that fighters pass. It makes sense there will be a second fighters pass where more Nintendo characters will be added in, and it will give Nintendo more revenue to their current most popular game and possibly team up with more 3rd parties to strengthen relationships.

From a business standpoint more DLC makes sense, especially if Nintendo wants to support the game throughout the Switch's lifespan and maximize profit.

From a "Sakurai and the team can only take so much" standpoint less DLC makes sense. Apparently the DLC team is growing smaller with each character's release. Also remember that 3 out of the 7 DLC characters for Sm4sh were veterans, with two of them being derivative of another character (Lucas and Roy). All 6 of Ultimate's DLC are original characters, so I'd say we're getting about the same amount of characters, though it may not seem as much.

 

[Calane]

• Joker
• "Hero" (I'm saying Hero instead of Erdrick at this point. Erdrick is the Bowser Jr. of the bunch in that he's the "official" one, but his alts are literally just the other heroes)
• Lloyd
• Steve
• ???

Take heed of my words and know them to be true in your heart: these will be our DLC characters.

This is something that I've been noticing. Why is it that people are now assuming all the heroes will be alts exactly? The way I see it, "Brave" could just be a codename for Erdrick.

On top of that, according to the rumors, it would appear that only Luminary has been heard alongside Erdrick. Well, there's also Anlucia as well, but I'm not sure if that rumor is still alive or not.

 

[A.G.L.]

I have my own reason to not expect a second pass: time. How come? Most fighting games never last more than a year on DLC support, NRS' games being a prime example, MKX only lasted a year even when it had two DLC passes (granted, that's because releases were very comprised), and Injustice 2 released all of its DLC characters in a monthly basis for nine months;Dragon Ball FighterZ has also ended its Pass and there's seemingly no intention to continue support; and Smash 4's DLC lasted a year as well, starting and ending in February. Only Street Fighter V is doing many DLC seasons, and that's because it's intentionally meant to be supported up to 2020. Hence why I'm not seeing a second season happening.

Actually Dragon Ball FighterZ has strong rumors there is another season pass coming, with fighters like Videl and others rumored. Also Tekken 7 was released quite awhile ago and is still receiving DLC. So some fighter games do continue with DLC past the first year. I can see why you would say no to another fighters pass due to Nintendo possibly not wanting to support it for another year, but given how much money Smash Ultimate has made for Nintendo. Its very likely they will choose to add another fighters pass to expand on profits and build on 3rd party relationships.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

This is something that I've been noticing. Why is it that people are now assuming all the heroes will be alts exactly? The way I see it, "Brave" could just be a codename for Erdrick.

On top of that, according to the rumors, it would appear that only Luminary has been heard alongside Erdrick. Well, there's also Anlucia as well, but I'm not sure if that rumor is still alive or not.

That's just me spitballing really. I think having a character that references all of the Heroes is a very Sakurai thing to do.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I have my own reason to not expect a second pass: time. How come? Most fighting games never last more than a year on DLC support, NRS' games being a prime example, MKX only lasted a year even when it had two DLC passes (granted, that's because releases were very comprised), and Injustice 2 released all of its DLC characters in a monthly basis for nine months;Dragon Ball FighterZ has also ended its Pass and there's seemingly no intention to continue support; and Smash 4's DLC lasted a year as well, starting and ending in February. Only Street Fighter V is doing many DLC seasons, and that's because it's intentionally meant to be supported up to 2020. Hence why I'm not seeing a second season happening.

Is anyone still buying SFV DLC beyond the competitive crowd? I own the game, but I never bought any DLC and stopped playing due to the lack of content and shifty business practices.

I like to buy my games complete, so I hope that forever DLC doesn’t become a standard for fighting games.

 

[A.G.L.]

From a business standpoint more DLC makes sense, especially if Nintendo wants to support the game throughout the Switch's lifespan and maximize profit.

From a "Sakurai and the team can only take so much" standpoint less DLC makes sense. Apparently the DLC team is growing smaller with each character's release. Also remember that 3 out of the 7 DLC characters for Sm4sh were veterans, with two of them being derivative of another character (Lucas and Roy). All 6 of Ultimate's DLC are original characters, so I'd say we're getting about the same amount of characters, though it may not seem as much.

I can see that, but we are living in a world where DLC is becoming more and more prevalent. With some games receiving DLC for years after release like FF15 even though unfortunately most the 2nd DLC was cancelled(still hurts to know no Lunafreya DLC). That being said this is Nintendo they are usually known to not support their games past the first year. Its a bit hard to see which way this will all go, but I can see Nintendo wanting to change how they do things and support Smash Ultimate longer. They may do what Tabata did in Square and hire a smaller different team to work on the DLC, time will tell.

 

[Nemuresu]

Actually Dragon Ball FighterZ has strong rumors there is another season pass coming, with fighters like Videl and others rumored. Also Tekken 7 was released quite awhile ago and is still receiving DLC. So some fighter games do continue with DLC past the first year. I can see why you would say no to another fighters pass due to Nintendo possibly not wanting to support it for another year, but given how much money Smash Ultimate has made for Nintendo. Its very likely they will choose to add another fighters pass to expand on profits and build on 3rd party relationships.

I can see your point and I agree with it. It's just a bit hard for me to see it happen with trends and whatnot. Not that I'd be against a second seasons though.

Is anyone still buying SFV DLC beyond the competitive crowd? I own the game, but I never bought any DLC and stopped playing due to the lack of content and shifty business practices.

I like to buy my games complete, so I hope that forever DLC doesn’t become a standard for fighting games.

Well, Capcom made the game with the competitive community in mind, so, they probably made the DLC for them. They have to be selling, unless they're contractually obligated to support it until 2020 though. And no, I wouldn't be concerned about for DLCs when most companies don't go that way.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

We don't even know if a 2nd Fighters Pass is going to happen, and I'm hard pressed to believe one will. I think Sakurai and Nintendo are just going for whoever they want, even if 3 of them end up being from JRPGs.

To add that, I’m loving the RPG representation that Smash has been going into lately.

The RPG genre has always been one of my favorite genres and seeing some of my favorite RPG series being crossed over in Smash, it’s just so much, and I’m loving it, especially if the Lloyd and Tales thing ends up being true!

 

[perfectchaos83]

I have my own reason to not expect a second pass: time. How come? Most fighting games never last more than a year on DLC support, NRS' games being a prime example, MKX only lasted a year even when it had two DLC passes (granted, that's because releases were very comprised), and Injustice 2 released all of its DLC characters in a monthly basis for nine months;Dragon Ball FighterZ has also ended its Pass and there's seemingly no intention to continue support; and Smash 4's DLC lasted a year as well, starting and ending in February. Only Street Fighter V is doing many DLC seasons, and that's because it's intentionally meant to be supported up to 2020. Hence why I'm not seeing a second season happening.

NRS games aren't a good measure because NRS is run to release a new game every year or two. That's how they've been operating for years now. I'd also argue that Smash 4 is a bad example too since it's fairly obvious they abandoned ship once it was a definite that the Smash couldn't save the Wii U.

 

[Calane]

That's just me spitballing really. I think having a character that references all of the Heroes is a very Sakurai thing to do.

Oh, I see. I have my issues with the idea, but I would accept it if that's the direction they choose to go in.

Though, if Tansut's to be believed, the female version of Erdrick is supposedly an alt. If Erdrick's really gonna be a Robin/Corrin type of deal, then I find it difficult to believe that they'd also make every other hero an alt as well. But who knows, I guess.

I just hope DQ actually happens at this point.

 

[Nemuresu]

I'd also argue that Smash 4 is a bad example too since it's fairly obvious they abandoned ship once it was a definite that the Smash couldn't save the Wii U.

You think they would've kept going with support had the Wii U sold better?

 

[perfectchaos83]

You think they would've kept going with support had the Wii U sold better?

I feel that if Nintendo was interested in supporting the system it would have, but it's clear that Nintendo gave up on it soon after Smash released and they simply finished up their current plans before moving onto Ultimate.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

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This design. In game I think he would be proportionally similar to Toon Liknk.

I actually hope they don't use this I don't know him being big was actually what I was hoping for but lets see what Sakurai can do with this if this is a thing and I'm loving the rpg love maybe tales and ys really will get a shot heck I could see SNK getting something at this point too

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It sounded like Sakurai was already nearing DLC completion and wanted to move onto the next product as is. I doubt the Wii U doing poorly was a major reason for only two Character sets of DLC. Don't forget the 3DS was far from dead. But he couldn't keep the game going forever. They even gave it one last patch a long time after DLC was finished. It was likely more the fact the Switch was in development and they wanted a new Smash for it, so the timing worked for that.

 

[cmbsfm]

I understand the importance of the Tales Series, but I will admit that 3 of the 5 fighters from the pass being JRPG would leave a bad taste in my mouth. I’d prefer a little more variety. It’s kinda why I love the line up in DOOM leak so much, even though it’s probably fake.

 

[osby]

I understand the importance of the Tales Series, but I will admit that 3 of the 5 fighters from the pass being JRPG would leave a bad taste in my mouth. I’d prefer a little more variety. It’s kinda why I love the line up in DOOM leak so much, even though it’s probably fake.

To be fair, last game wasn't much better.

All veterans and Cloud: JRPG
Ryu: Fighting game
Bayonetta: Action game

 

[cmbsfm]

To be fair, last game wasn't much better.

All veterans and Cloud: JRPG
Ryu: Fighting game
Bayonetta: Action game

Is FE considered a JRPG? Because if it isn’t then that’s still more variety genre wise than a fighter pass with both Lloyd and Erdrick.

But I’m not gonna defend Smash 4’s DLC, it did end rather anticlimactic.

 

[osby]

Is FE considered a JRPG? Because if it isn’t the. that’s still more variety genre wise than a fighter pass with both Lloyd and Erdrick.

But I’m not gonna defend Smash 4’s DLC, it did end rather anticlimactic.

Let me check...

Fire Emblem is classified as tactical role-playing.
Final Fantasy is just role-playing, for comparison.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Is FE considered a JRPG? Because if it isn’t then that’s still more variety genre wise than a fighter pass with both Lloyd and Erdrick.

But I’m not gonna defend Smash 4’s DLC, it did end rather anticlimactic.

JRPG is broad as **** and incorporates Action RPGs, Strategy RPGs and Turn Based RPGs. FE absolutely is a JRPG.

 

[TheYungLink]

Heck, with the way World of Light was handled, some may even call Smash Ultimate a JRPG. /s

 

[osby]

Heck, with the way World of Light was handles, some may even call Smash Ultimate a JRPG. /s

Don't know about that, but

Spoiler

it sure as hell a Metroidvania, considering what they did with Castlevania sub-world.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

I understand the importance of the Tales Series, but I will admit that 3 of the 5 fighters from the pass being JRPG would leave a bad taste in my mouth. I’d prefer a little more variety. It’s kinda why I love the line up in DOOM leak so much, even though it’s probably fake.

while i think having too many RPGs would be daunting i'd say the only crazy ones left in my opinion would be someone from Tales and kingdom hearts while pipe dream would be Ys honestly i could see the DLC being quite a bit of third parties to help relationships we could keep DLC going for awhile it also doesn't help i want a lot of icons and obscure stuff lol

 

[cmbsfm]

I’m not saying they wouldn’t do three JRPG protags, Lloyd/Yuri are one of the likely DLC candidates, but it’s just not my preferred lineup. I can live with it though since Tales is big and I do like it when our 3rd party characters are from iconic series.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

After Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Tales of, and Persona, no JRPG comes close bar Kingdom Hearts, which has its own problems keeping it out. They'd definitely go for other genres after that.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

I’m not saying they wouldn’t do three JRPG protags, Lloyd/Yuri are one of the likely DLC candidates, but it’s just not my preferred lineup. I can live with it though since Tales is big and I do like it when our 3rd party characters are from iconic series.

I get what you mean but I feel they'll want some big name JRPGs in there game there isn't anything bigger then Dargon Quest Final Fantasy Kingdom Hearts and Tales of just get those big guys outta the way and I can see them doing other stuff like I can see us getting an SNK rep with how many of there games are on the switch now maybe Terry Bogard or someone from Metal Slug some gaming icons in there like Ryu H or whatever another hack and slash like Dante or 2B

 

[Idon]

If you want a list of the "big" JRPGs, wikipedia's got you covered. And this is a very loose definition of "JRPG"
For some reason it includes Persona and not any sort of Megaten, but the Sega Sammy Report fills in that data.

Essentially, in terms of games Nintendo could feasibly use (excluding Persona as it's already in) there's:

• Dragon Quest (by far)
• Monster Hunter
• Tales
• Yokai Watch
• Yakuza (AKA Ryu Ga Gotoku)
• Souls
• Megaten
• Probably includes Drakengard/Nier despite straggling behind (specficially Automata and 2B)
• (SaGa maybe but I personally know jack diddly squat about it)

DragonBall, Inazuma Eleven, Kingdom Hearts, and Super Robat Wars are a difficult copyright mess which Nintendo probably don't want anything to do with.

Now out of this, it feels like Nintendo would be inclined to pick Dragon Quest most of all with the rest straggling behind and definitely wouldn't be in consideration until a (highly unlikely) season 2.

You could make the argument that Monhun, Yakuza, Souls, and Drakengard/Nier are more their own thing, but this is in the context of any other JRPG character that would be added on top of Joker already.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

If you want a list of the "big" JRPGs, wikipedia's got you covered. And this is a very loose definition of "JRPG"
For some reason it includes Persona and not any sort of Megaten, but the Sega Sammy Report fills in that data.

Essentially, in terms of games Nintendo could feasibly use (excluding Persona as it's already in) there's:

• Dragon Quest (by far)
• Monster Hunter
• Tales
• Yokai Watch
• Yakuza (AKA Ryu Ga Gotoku)
• Souls
• Megaten
• Probably includes Drakengard/Nier despite straggling behind (specficially Automata and 2B)

DragonBall, Inazuma Eleven, Kingdom Hearts, and Super Robat Wars are a difficult copyright mess which Nintendo probably don't want anything to do with.

Now out of this, it feels like Nintendo would be inclined to pick Dragon Quest most of all with the rest straggling behind and definitely wouldn't be in consideration until a (highly unlikely) season 2.

You could make the argument that Monhun, Yakuza, Souls, and Drakengard/Nier are more their own thing, but this is in the context of any other JRPG character that would be added on top of Joker already.

looking at that wiki maybe I'll see Ys, Tales,KH maybe that would come true still hoping for actual SMT support cuz for me joker don't do it but we have already beaten that horse into the ground in this thread

 

[Idon]

looking at that wiki maybe I'll see Ys, Tales,KH maybe that would come true still hoping for actual SMT support cuz for me joker don't do it but we have already beaten that horse into the ground in this thread

Same.

BUT Anyway, Tales I definitely see potentially happening, perhaps it being inevitable... eventually. Perhaps not in this DLC pack but at some time in the future.
Ys, I know little about other than the Vita game which I played a little of. However, it is very long-running and is still popular enough to warrant continued sequels to this day, so I'm honestly unsure about Adol.

For KH, the issue of negotiating with Disney would be difficult, at least far more difficult than any conventional 3rd party game dev, so while not impossible, I just personally doubt it.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Same.

BUT Anyway, Tales I definitely see potentially happening, perhaps it being inevitable... eventually. Perhaps not in this DLC pack but at some time in the future.
Ys, I know little about other than the Vita game which I played a little of. However, it is very long-running and is still popular enough to warrant continued sequels to this day, so I'm honestly unsure about Adol.

For KH, the issue of negotiating with Disney would be difficult, at least far more difficult than any conventional 3rd party game dev, so while not impossible, I just personally doubt it.

honestly, I feel Nintendo is crazy enough to do all 3
1.to say thank you for helping us with our game
2.to build a relationship I'm iffy on that one
3. Its Sora it'd be pretty big and break the internet

 

[Pinguino21v]

To add that, I’m loving the RPG representation that Smash has been going into lately.

I understand the importance of the Tales Series, but I will admit that 3 of the 5 fighters from the pass being JRPG would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

To be fair, last game wasn't much better.

All veterans and Cloud: JRPG
Ryu: Fighting game
Bayonetta: Action game

I don't understand the feeling that RPG representation has been strong lately. There were no new "classic" RPG character in base Ultimate. No Elma, no Rex, no Paper Mario, no Isaac... Sure, there were a Pokemon and a FE echo, but that's not what I was talking about.

I'm glad there will be some RPG rep in DLC, but hopefully some will be first parties...

 

[Robertman2]

I don't understand the feeling that RPG representation has been strong lately. There were no new "classic" RPG character in base Ultimate. No Elma, no Rex, no Paper Mario, no Isaac... Sure, there were a Pokemon and a FE echo, but that's not what I was talking about.

I'm glad there will be some RPG rep in DLC, but hopefully some will be first parties...

There's no new RPG character in base becasue there's no one but z listers or characters that are outright disliked to choose from

 

[osby]

If you want a list of the "big" JRPGs, wikipedia's got you covered. And this is a very loose definition of "JRPG"
For some reason it includes Persona and not any sort of Megaten, but the Sega Sammy Report fills in that data.

Essentially, in terms of games Nintendo could feasibly use (excluding Persona as it's already in) there's:

• Dragon Quest (by far)
• Monster Hunter
• Tales
• Yokai Watch
• Yakuza (AKA Ryu Ga Gotoku)
• Souls
• Megaten
• Probably includes Drakengard/Nier despite straggling behind (specficially Automata and 2B)
• (SaGa maybe but I personally know jack diddly squat about it)

DragonBall, Inazuma Eleven, Kingdom Hearts, and Super Robat Wars are a difficult copyright mess which Nintendo probably don't want anything to do with.

Now out of this, it feels like Nintendo would be inclined to pick Dragon Quest most of all with the rest straggling behind and definitely wouldn't be in consideration until a (highly unlikely) season 2.

You could make the argument that Monhun, Yakuza, Souls, and Drakengard/Nier are more their own thing, but this is in the context of any other JRPG character that would be added on top of Joker already.

For some reason Yakuza being a RPG feels wrong.

 

[Idon]

For some reason Yakuza being a RPG feels wrong.

Oh certainly.
You're not exactly beating up monsters, you're taking down street thugs by punching them in the face.

But at the same time there is a level progression system, sidequests, minigames, a deep story, boss fights, "dungeons", tons of sequels and spinoffs, so in my mind, you could probably clumsily fit it under the definition of "RPG"

 

[TheYungLink]

Adol from Ys vs. Link from The Legend od Zelda is a dream matchup of mine. If we're talking Falcom characters though, my friends would loooove Estelle Bright from Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky.

I haven't played the game, but, to put it in perspective, all of us have played and loved Chrono Trigger. Everyone in my friend group who played Trails in the Sky has universally called it "as good as, if not better than Chrono Trigger." That's some damn high praise, and they all play a huge variety of RPGs from Lunar to SMT to Tales of to Pokémon to EarthBound to Final Fantasy to Valkyria Chronicles to...well you get the point, so I believe that that sentiment is coming from a sincere place.

BUT back on topic, a Tales of character makes a lot of sense, though I never seriously considered it until Jeremy Parish and tehponycorn pointed out that it's the third biggest JRPG series in Japan, which is a huge effin' deal. If Dragon Quest is getting in in part due to its extreme popularity in Japan (not that we know for sure that it's happening yet, I'll remain skeptical until I see an actual reveal), then I can see a Tales of character like Lloyd making it in.

 

[Deleted member]

• Joker
• "Hero" (I'm saying Hero instead of Erdrick at this point. Erdrick is the Bowser Jr. of the bunch in that he's the "official" one, but his alts are literally just the other heroes)
• Lloyd
• Steve
• ???

Take heed of my words and know them to be true in your heart: these will be our DLC characters.

i mean lloyd and steve are cool but im hype for unown honestly

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Adol from Ys vs. Link from The Legend od Zelda is a dream matchup of mine. If we're talking Falcom characters though, my friends would loooove Estelle Bright from Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky.

I haven't played the game, but, to put it in perspective, all of us have played and loved Chrono Trigger. Everyone in my friend group who played Trails in the Sky has universally called it "as good as, if not better than Chrono Trigger." That's some damn high praise, and they all play a huge variety of RPGs from Lunar to SMT to Tales of to Pokémon to EarthBound to Final Fantasy to Valkyria Chronicles to...well you get the point, so I believe that that sentiment is coming from a sincere place.

BUT back on topic, a Tales of character makes a lot of sense, though I never seriously considered it until Jeremy Parish and tehponycorn pointed out that it's the third biggest JRPG series in Japan, which is a huge effin' deal. If Dragon Quest is getting in in part due to its extreme popularity in Japan (not that we know for sure that it's happening yet, I'll remain skeptical until I see an actual reveal), then I can see a Tales of character like Lloyd making it in.

that's why I think ys is possible Nihon Falcom has been in bed with sony for a while now but they were on Nintendo consoles i can see Nintendo using smash as an incentive to think of us lol and yeah i think the Tales rep would be Lloyd or Yuri

 

[MalcolmBelmont]

Do you think if there is a DLC Charcter Trailer for Erdrick - it will start off a sprite based scene of Erdrick in the overworld encountering one of the Smash fighters or multiple.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Do you think if there is a DLC Charcter Trailer for Erdrick - it will start off a sprite based scene of Erdrick in the overworld encountering one of the Smash fighters or multiple.

I think I can imagine that and then he'd encounter stuff like kirby or Mario and link then it would transform too 3d

 

[PsySmasher]

• Joker
• "Hero" (I'm saying Hero instead of Erdrick at this point. Erdrick is the Bowser Jr. of the bunch in that he's the "official" one, but his alts are literally just the other heroes)
• Lloyd
• Steve
• ???

Take heed of my words and know them to be true in your heart: these will be our DLC characters.

Oh boy... Steve.
The one character that I’m even MORE skeptical of than a DQ Rep.

And unlike DQ, I do have quite a bit of experience with the game and character.
To put in short: I love Minecraft, I don’t want it in Smash though.

In terms of leaks though, Steve has so much **** surrounding him, but I doubt most of the stuff beyond Vergeben’s claims.
But I won’t go any further than that, since this isn’t the place or time to discuss this.

 

[dezeray112]

As for whether Erdrick makes me more optimistic or pessimistic, to be honest I’d come to terms with his inclusion for a long time. Not a hype character but one I like. The best news is that the datamines don’t show Steve so Vergeben was likely wrong on that and Steve won’t be in. Finally, some good ****ing news.

Although I do not know what of Steve's chances, we still don't know the 3 remaining characters. So, I would'nt exactly jump to conclusions just yet.