[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[ZelDan]

Y'know, something no one's considered. What if "Brave" is Braver Fencer Musashi.

I've thought of that, but unless there's a new Brave fencer Musashi game in the works, that'd be a pretty random pick I'd feel.

I know the game has its following, but I never saw it as THAT big.

 

[-Coco-]

Why is everyone prematurely saying it's Erdrick? It could be a BD character.

 

[AugustusB]

That sucks my friend, hope you feel better. And yes its interestinfg many are jumping on the Erdrick train for the code word Brave, but it also makes a lot of sense for Yuri. His game will be on the Switch before Dragon Quest 11, and it really makes sense Bandai Namco will get another rep. Out of all the 3rd party companies that are in Smash, Bandai Namco make the most sense out of all of them to get another rep due to how much they helped in development. Also if Im not mistake Yuri is more popular than Lloyd in Japan, and with his game coming on the Switch it might be a perfect opportunity to put him in Smash.

Its very interesting to see which way all of this will go, personally even if I don't get Sora I am very excited for whoever gets announced.

It truly will be interesting. If memory serves, yes, Yuri is a BIG deal in Japan.

Gotta do some looking around, but I am pretty sure Tales of Vesperia was something to akin to Persona 5. That it just exploded upon arrival.
I am pretty sure it was pretty popular in the States as well. More so than Symphonia (No Tales of the Abyss love? Sigh...)

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Hello all dropping in to say hello, whats new? Iv been hearing a lot of Erdrick talk as being the next DLC. Iv heard from a commenter on Youtube that the codeword Brave could also be referencing Yuri Lowell from Tales of Versperia, as one of the guild's from Versperia is known as Brave Versperia.

That username...no way...I thought...I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD!

Welcome back, even if it's just for a bit. I'm liking the new avatar.

Either Erdrick/Hero or Yuri fits current insider information, with Erdrick being all but confirmed and Yuri being heard in murmurs. If there's a Nintendo Direct on the 10th like the rumors say it'd make sense to reveal Yuri alongside a reminder for Tales of Vesperia Definitive Edition. It'd also make sense to reveal Erdrick/Hero now though, considering how all the information about him being leaked out indicates that something should happen soon.

I'm more inclined to believe that "Brave" is Erdrick/Hero though given that the term "yuusha" used in Dragon Quest to refer to the Heroes translates directly to "Brave". That being said, I'd say that "Brave" being Yuri isn't out of the question, given that "Jack" for Joker is equally unorthodox ("Jack" could mean Jack of All Trades, or the Jack card in a deck/the Wildcard, Jack Frost, etc.).

 

[Luigi The President]

Why is everyone prematurely saying it's Erdrick? It could be a BD character.

I went over this in a previous post;

You don't title a Bravely character "Brave" in the code
You title them something directly relating to the character. Not the game itself.

Jack = Joker.
Jack is the mascot of the series that Joker's games are spun off from.

The code names all require a bit of thinking and had some insiders stumped. We just have the knowledge that Erdrick is being considered out there; and it makes all too much sense, as "Brave" is a translation of his class name, perfectly fitting the "distant-yet-close relations" the codenames have.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

It truly will be interesting. If memory serves, yes, Yuri is a BIG deal in Japan.

Gotta do some looking around, but I am pretty sure Tales of Vesperia was something to akin to Persona 5. That it just exploded upon arrival.
I am pretty sure it was pretty popular in the States as well. More so than Symphonia (No Tales of the Abyss love? Sigh...)

Vesperia is more popular in Japan, but to date Tales of Symphonia is the most successful Tales of game in the West.

While the article may be slightly outdated, it was made far after Vesperia's release, showing that Symphonia > Vesperia in the West. If I recall, America never got the Playstation 3 version of the game, Vesperia is currently only available on the Xbox 360 in the West. This will change with the release of the Definitive Edition in a couple of days.

 

[-Coco-]

I went over this in a previous post;

You don't title a Bravely character "Brave" in the code
You title them something directly relating to the character. Not the game itself.

Jack = Joker.
Jack is the mascot of the series that Joker's games are spun off from.

The code names all require a bit of thinking and had some insiders stumped. We just have the knowledge that Erdrick is being considered out there; and it makes all too much sense, as "Brave" is a translation of his class name, perfectly fitting the "distant-yet-close relations" the codenames have.

Yeah but wasn't Pirahna Plant's literally his name? I'm just trying to not get my hopes destroyed. Lol

 

[Luigi The President]

Yeah but wasn't Pirahna Plant's literally his name? I'm just trying to not get m6 hopes destroyed. Lol

Thing about PP is that we already knew about him long before the game even leaked out.
I think with the codenames they want to keep who it is covered even if it's required to be in the data, but they also must be codenames developers will recognize for the characters they must work on.

Sticky situation.

 

[Nemuresu]

Why is everyone prematurely saying it's Erdrick? It could be a BD character.

Because Bravely isn't exactly something many would expect, not to mention, with the comments on "yuusha", it's easier to assume it's Erdrick. Yuri can also work, but with all the leaks and rumours, I'll lean on the former.

 

[GoodGrief741]

So, glad to learn that Nintendo are still a bunch of buffoons who include data for upcoming DLC on their ****ing day one patch, and actually have codenames relating to the characters rather than just fighter1, fighter2, etc.

Although wouldn’t it be hilarious if Erdrick was planned leakbait and the codename was deliberately Brave to mislead us? Then the character actually ended up being Geno?

*sigh* as if.

As for whether Erdrick makes me more optimistic or pessimistic, to be honest I’d come to terms with his inclusion for a long time. Not a hype character but one I like. The best news is that the datamines don’t show Steve so Vergeben was likely wrong on that and Steve won’t be in. Finally, some good ****ing news.

Cue a quick google search

Oh, uh...You uh- you all mean to me there is a character actually called 'Sol Badguy'? I uh- I thought we were talking about Nightmare...you know, the 'Soul (Calibur) bad guy'. I'm both embarrassed and kind of disappointed that I've been bested when it comes to claiming such a laughable name as my own.

Never change.

imagine if one of the future dlcs has snap as the codename

Finally Fortnite gets the representation it deserves.

I just knew that once Erdrick got confirmed; people would take enjoyment in Geno/Sora getting BTFO. I'm just so tired man.... at least it's ****ing over.

I didn’t know you’d changed your name to ‘Geno/Sora’.

 

[-Coco-]

Because Bravely isn't exactly something many would expect, not to mention, with the comments on "yuusha", it's easier to assume it's Erdrick. Yuri can also work, but with all the leaks and rumours, I'll lean on the former.

It's not called yuusha in the datamine is it?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

It's not called yuusha in the datamine is it?

No. It's "Brave" in the code.

It's just that yuusha is a direct translation for brave, so it fits almost perfectly.

 

[PolarPanda]

Yeah but wasn't Pirahna Plant's literally his name? I'm just trying to not get my hopes destroyed. Lol

the characters already revealed do not have codenames, as there would be no point. We already knew of PP over a month before release, so there was no reason to give him a codename. DLC, on the other hand, obviously do not want their full names given. Due to pirating, some popular dataminers actually knew about "Jack" as far back as Nov. 29th, just nobody thought of it being Joker. It's a clever strategy. Brave would also be pretty clever if we didnt hear Erdrick so much already.

 

[Nemuresu]

The best news is that the datamines don’t show Steve so Vergeben was likely wrong on that and Steve won’t be in. Finally, some good ****ing news.

There's three slots left. You really want to celebrate already?

It's not called yuusha in the datamine is it?

No, but it's safe to assume. Is that not a good enough analogy? Here's a better reason for me to not see a Bravely character: there aren't any news on BD coming to Switch or even having a new game for that matter. With what know, it's possible to assume these characters are intentionally promotional, what with P5R and DQXI being signs o it.

 

[Luigi The President]

the characters already revealed do not have codenames, as there would be no point. We already knew of PP over a month before release, so there was no reason to give him a codename. DLC, on the other hand, obviously do not want their full names given. Due to pirating, some popular dataminers actually knew about "Jack" as far back as Nov. 29th, just nobody thought of it being Joker. It's a clever strategy. Brave would also be pretty clever if we didnt hear Erdrick so much already.

So uh, PP, gotta ask

You uh...you still think Geno has a shot
I know ya don't I just gotta ask

 

[A.G.L.]

It truly will be interesting. If memory serves, yes, Yuri is a BIG deal in Japan.

Gotta do some looking around, but I am pretty sure Tales of Vesperia was something to akin to Persona 5. That it just exploded upon arrival.
I am pretty sure it was pretty popular in the States as well. More so than Symphonia (No Tales of the Abyss love? Sigh...)

So we basically have two characters that are huge in Japan, Erdrick vs Yuri. Both sword users, but both have a different sword user style than the other sword users in the game. With Yuri being more of a katana user which fights differently than normal sword styles, and Erdrick which is a more magical sword and shield user.

Im not sure if Tales of Vesperia is more popular than Tales of Symphonia in the states, im pretty sure Tales of Symphonia is more well known in the U.S. that being said. With Tales of Vesperia coming to the Switch it could become more popular than Symphonia.

That username...no way...I thought...I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD!

Welcome back, even if it's just for a bit. I'm liking the new avatar.

Either Erdrick/Hero or Yuri fits current insider information, with Erdrick being all but confirmed and Yuri being heard in murmurs. If there's a Nintendo Direct on the 10th like the rumors say it'd make sense to reveal Yuri alongside a reminder for Tales of Vesperia Definitive Edition. It'd also make sense to reveal Erdrick/Hero now though, considering how all the information about him being leaked out indicates that something should happen soon.

I'm more inclined to believe that "Brave" is Erdrick/Hero though given that the term "yuusha" used in Dragon Quest to refer to the Heroes translates directly to "Brave". That being said, I'd say that "Brave" being Yuri isn't out of the question, given that "Jack" for Joker is equally unorthodox ("Jack" could mean Jack of All Trades, or the Jack card in a deck/the Wildcard, Jack Frost, etc.).

Haha im still alive, and thanks I really like it to. And I had a friend of mine help me on the signature I have. Also thanks for the warm welcome my friend DaybreakHorizon . I agree I really feel its between those two characters, they both make sense. And both them would represent their companies well, plus both are very popular characters in Japan. Its possible we may get both of them, but the code word Brave could be associated for either one of them. I really thought Bandai Namco would choose Lloyd over Yuri, but given Yuri's game coming to the Switch it does make sense. I think there will be a Direct on the 10th it does make sense as there are many games in limbo in terms of release dates. Having a direct on the 10th would help set a release date schedule for the upcoming year. As for either Yuri or Erdrick being revealed, I can see it happening, but it may be too soon for another character reveal. Either way both characters would be really interesting to see in Smash Ultimate.

 

[GoodGrief741]

There's three slots left. You really want to celebrate already?

Personally speaking, the only reason why Steve was ever perceived as likely was because he had mother****ing Vergeben backing him.

With that being proven false I have no fear.

 

[Nemuresu]

With that being proven false I have no fear.

There's your problem. Nothing denies Steve so far, since we only have data for just Joker and Erdrick, not all five, so he can still happen. Please remember someone here was celebrating because Erdrick wasn't announced at Jump Festa, and look at where we are now.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

So we basically have two characters that are huge in Japan, Erdrick vs Yuri. Both sword users, but both have a different sword user style than the other sword users in the game. With Yuri being more of a katana user which fights differently than normal sword styles, and Erdrick which is a more magical sword and shield user.

Im not sure if Tales of Vesperia is more popular than Tales of Symphonia in the states, im pretty sure Tales of Symphonia is more well known in the U.S. that being said. With Tales of Vesperia coming to the Switch it could become more popular than Symphonia.





Haha im still alive, and thanks I really like it to. And I had a friend of mine help me on the signature I have. Also thanks for the warm welcome my friend DaybreakHorizon . I agree I really feel its between those two characters, they both make sense. And both them would represent their companies well, plus both are very popular characters in Japan. Its possible we may get both of them, but the code word Brave could be associated for either one of them. I really thought Bandai Namco would choose Lloyd over Yuri, but given Yuri's game coming to the Switch it does make sense. I think there will be a Direct on the 10th it does make sense as there are many games in limbo in terms of release dates. Having a direct on the 10th would help set a release date schedule for the upcoming year. As for either Yuri or Erdrick being revealed, I can see it happening, but it may be too soon for another character reveal. Either way both characters would be really interesting to see in Smash Ultimate.

I think either way we'll see both Dragon Quest and Tales of in Smash Ultimate as having the Big 3 JRPGs (Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Tales of) in Smash Bros. would be absolutely huge (I seriously think most everyone here underestimates the power of the Big 3; each is massive in their own right).

Lloyd makes more sense as a Sakurai pick, but I could see Yuri being a "Nintendo and Bandai Namco negotiated for a Tales of character in Smash Bros." pick, but either way we're very likely getting a Tales of character.

PolarPanda if you don't mind me asking, how much have people heard about Lloyd and Yuri as DLC picks, and how much has one been heard over the other?

Personally speaking, the only reason why Steve was ever perceived as likely was because he had mother****ing Vergeben backing him.

With that being proven false I have no fear.

Steve is still very likely, leaks aside.

Man I should really finish that speculation piece lol.

 

[PolarPanda]

So uh, PP, gotta ask

You uh...you still think Geno has a shot
I know ya don't I just gotta ask

This is a hard thing to answer.





...maybe 1%? It looks almost confirmed that he was simply bait.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Vesperia is more popular in Japan, but to date Tales of Symphonia is the most successful Tales of game in the West.

While the article may be slightly outdated, it was made far after Vesperia's release, showing that Symphonia > Vesperia in the West. If I recall, America never got the Playstation 3 version of the game, Vesperia is currently only available on the Xbox 360 in the West. This will change with the release of the Definitive Edition in a couple of days.

While Symphonia had more success, Vesperia has pretty much always been the favorite within the (western) Tales Fandom of the two. It's similar to the Simon/Richter scenario where Simon is the more casually known Belmont with Richter being far more popular within the fandom.

 

[Captain Fun]

the characters already revealed do not have codenames, as there would be no point. We already knew of PP over a month before release, so there was no reason to give him a codename. DLC, on the other hand, obviously do not want their full names given. Due to pirating, some popular dataminers actually knew about "Jack" as far back as Nov. 29th, just nobody thought of it being Joker. It's a clever strategy. Brave would also be pretty clever if we didnt hear Erdrick so much already.

But there's nothing more concrete pointing to Erdrick, correct? So far it's:

"brave" in the datamine + rumors of Erdrick from various sources

Is that correct?

 

[Luigi The President]

This is a hard thing to answer.





...maybe 1%? It looks almost confirmed that he was simply bait.

Can I get a RIP in the chat gang?
Anything you can talk about besides Brave that confirms him as bait?

 

[PolarPanda]

I think either way we'll see both Dragon Quest and Tales of in Smash Ultimate as having the Big 3 JRPGs (Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Tales of) in Smash Bros. would be absolutely huge (I seriously think most everyone here underestimates the power of the Big 3; each is massive in their own right).

Lloyd makes more sense as a Sakurai pick, but I could see Yuri being a "Nintendo and Bandai Namco negotiated for a Tales of character in Smash Bros." pick, but either way we're very likely getting a Tales of character.

PolarPanda if you don't mind me asking, how much have people heard about Lloyd and Yuri as DLC picks, and how much has one been heard over the other?

Everybody I talk to has heard Lloyd is some capacity. Hitagi himself admitted to hearing of Tales of being in Smash, and this was referencing Lloyd. To answer the second part of your question, Lloyd is heard overwhelmingly more than Yuri. Most people have only heard Lloyd, as a matter of fact.

 

[GoodGrief741]

There's your problem. Nothing denies Steve so far, since we only have data for just Joker and Erdrick, not all five, so he can still happen. Please remember someone here was celebrating because Erdrick wasn't announced at Jump Festa, and look at where we are now.

Nothing is in Steve’s favor either. I just think there’s plenty of things against Steve’s chances that are intrinsic to the character and game.

 

[PolarPanda]

Can I get a RIP in the chat gang?
Anything you can talk about besides Brave that confirms him as bait?

There hasn't really been much going around. My main source mentioned that there will be a Nintendo direct between Jan 7th-14th. Other than that, nothing new really. That obviously means nothing on Geno.

 

[Luigi The President]

Everybody I talk to has heard Lloyd is some capacity. Hitagi himself admitted to hearing of Tales of being in Smash, and this was referencing Lloyd. To answer the second part of your question, Lloyd is heard overwhelmingly more than Yuri. Most people have only heard Lloyd, as a matter of fact.

Gahhh what the ****
We know absolutely nothing about 2 of the DLC reps
Except we may know 1 of them

?!!?!?

 

[PolarPanda]

Gahhh what the ****
We know absolutely nothing about 2 of the DLC reps
Except we may know 1 of them

?!!?!?

Sorry if I sounded any different than a month or so ago. The lloyd info is still not confirmed or fully verified. I was just clarifying that it did infact go around to just about everyone. It's very possible, it's just not concrete right now.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Gahhh what the ****
We know absolutely nothing about 2 of the DLC reps
Except we may know 1 of them

?!!?!?

• Joker
• "Hero" (I'm saying Hero instead of Erdrick at this point. Erdrick is the Bowser Jr. of the bunch in that he's the "official" one, but his alts are literally just the other heroes)
• Lloyd
• Steve
• ???

Take heed of my words and know them to be true in your heart: these will be our DLC characters.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

YESSS I like that design a lot more. Knowing Sakurai that sounds like what he would go with too.

What would that look like?

 

[Nemuresu]

Nothing is in Steve’s favor either. I just think there’s plenty of things against Steve’s chances that are intrinsic to the character and game.

People's hatred isn't intrinsic. Nintendo has shown that Minecraft is an important game to them, up to the point of negotiating with Mojang to get a nice New 2DS with a Creeper theme and the game itself on it, and that's without mentioning said game was a top seller in Japan's eShop. And as I said when rating Master Chief at RTC, what divides Steve from all the other Microsoft character is that his game is actually multiplatform and remains as such as of this day. But we're not here to discuss about him, so leaving things there.

 

[Luigi The President]

• Joker
• "Hero" (I'm saying Hero instead of Erdrick at this point. Erdrick is the Bowser Jr. of the bunch in that he's the "official" one, but his alts are literally just the other heroes)
• Lloyd
• Steve
• ???

Take heed of my words and know them to be true in your heart: these will be our DLC characters.

I dunno about Steve.
People saying he is being worked on as DLC or is in the game, as some people leaked, are obviously wrong as Steve is nowhere to be found yet Erdrick is.
Steve's in a very weird space and I'm not entirely convinced he's happening.
Though, I would enjoy his inclusion.

NGL to you TPC...I'd dislike this line-up LMAO. Unless ??? was Dovahkiin, but we know my luck, so not happening.

Sorry if I sounded any different than a month or so ago. The lloyd info is still not confirmed or fully verified. I was just clarifying that it did infact go around to just about everyone. It's very possible, it's just not concrete right now.

Thanks PP!

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I dunno about Steve.
People saying he is being worked on as DLC or is in the game, as some people leaked, are obviously wrong as Steve is nowhere to be found yet Erdrick is.
Steve's in a very weird space and I'm not entirely convinced he's happening.
Though, I would enjoy his inclusion.

NGL to you TPC...I'd dislike this line-up LMAO. Unless ??? was Dovahkiin, but we know my luck, so not happening.

>LTP not liking my DLC lineup

Reported for heresy. /s

I'll have that Steve writeup finished soontm so y'all can see why I think he's so likely.

 

[Deleted member]

What would that look like?

This design. In game I think he would be proportionally similar to Toon Liknk.

 

[Luigi The President]

>LTP not liking my DLC lineup

Reported for heresy. /s

I'll have that Steve writeup finished soontm so y'all can see why I think he's so likely.

Even if I didn't like it I'll be buying the damn pass anyway LOL
I try to tell myself "no I can't give in to Nintendo's practices I must not give in"

...but, I mean, come on now, I'm not that stupid.

 

[Rayleigh]

That's my secret, GoodGrief741 : I'm always crazy.

...and you're right, it'd be 'Brave' of them to have picked anyone else at this rate. No, I won't show myself out. That joke was good and I'll die defending it.

 

[A.G.L.]

I think either way we'll see both Dragon Quest and Tales of in Smash Ultimate as having the Big 3 JRPGs (Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Tales of) in Smash Bros. would be absolutely huge (I seriously think most everyone here underestimates the power of the Big 3; each is massive in their own right).

Lloyd makes more sense as a Sakurai pick, but I could see Yuri being a "Nintendo and Bandai Namco negotiated for a Tales of character in Smash Bros." pick, but either way we're very likely getting a Tales of character.

PolarPanda if you don't mind me asking, how much have people heard about Lloyd and Yuri as DLC picks, and how much has one been heard over the other?

Steve is still very likely, leaks aside.

Man I should really finish that speculation piece lol.

I do agree we will have the big 3 as well, even though im holding out hope for Jin from Tekken. That being said the fact Lloyd is heard more than Yuri is interesting, as Yuri would make more sense financially. That being said im not sure if both Erdrick & Lloyd/Yuri will be in the first fghters pass. It may make sense that one of them might be moved to the 2nd fighters pass. Im not sure if the whole rumor saying Erdrick, Ryu Hayabusa, Doom Guy, and Steve is true. However if it is I do not see Bandai Namco not getting a 2nd rep at all, it makes sense they would get a rep in the 2nd fighters pass.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I do agree we will have the big 3 as well, even though im holding out hope for Jin from Tekken. That being said the fact Lloyd is heard more than Yuri is interesting, as Yuri would make more sense financially. That being said im not sure if both Erdrick & Lloyd/Yuri will be in the first fghters pass. It may make sense that one of them might be moved to the 2nd fighters pass. Im not sure if the whole rumor saying Erdrick, Ryu Hayabusa, Doom Guy, and Steve is true. However if it is I do not see Bandai Namco not getting a 2nd rep at all, it makes sense they would get a rep in the 2nd fighters pass.

We don't even know if a 2nd Fighters Pass is going to happen, and I'm hard pressed to believe one will. I think Sakurai and Nintendo are just going for whoever they want, even if 3 of them end up being from JRPGs.

 

[A.G.L.]

We don't even know if a 2nd Fighters Pass is going to happen, and I'm hard pressed to believe one will. I think Sakurai and Nintendo are just going for whoever they want, even if 3 of them end up being from JRPGs.

Given the trend of fighting games and DLC passes I really doubt there will not be a 2nd fighters pass. As of right now, Smash Ultimate's DLC is much less than other fighting games DLC rosters. Yes it has waaaaay more characters in the base roster, but the fact they would be saying no to more profit doesn't seem likely. With only 5 characters there would be less DLC characters than Smash Wii U had. And if the rumor surrounding Erdrick, Ryu Hayabusa, Steve and Doom Guy is to be believed. There is no Nintendo characters in that fighters pass. It makes sense there will be a second fighters pass where more Nintendo characters will be added in, and it will give Nintendo more revenue to their current most popular game and possibly team up with more 3rd parties to strengthen relationships.

 

[Nemuresu]

I have my own reason to not expect a second pass: time. How come? Most fighting games never last more than a year on DLC support, NRS' games being a prime example, MKX only lasted a year even when it had two DLC passes (granted, that's because releases were very comprised), and Injustice 2 released all of its DLC characters in a monthly basis for nine months;Dragon Ball FighterZ has also ended its Pass and there's seemingly no intention to continue support; and Smash 4's DLC lasted a year as well, starting and ending in February. Only Street Fighter V is doing many DLC seasons, and that's because it's intentionally meant to be supported up to 2020. Hence why I'm not seeing a second season happening.