jordanm43444
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I dont mind battlefield, it lets me be tricky with platforms. Granted I prefer T&C and the likes, I dont mind if my opponent tries to counter to BF.
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Terios the Hedgehog
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Only stages I don't like are the ones that will be definitely banned like 75m. I don't even mind lylat.
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Apex officially canceled tournaments for today. Crew and I canceled our hotel room...
:/
That was always part of the fun for me, but oh well... We'll just be driving to and fro now. Hopefully things pan out for the weekend.
As far as Battlefield, I applaud Orochi for remembering my devotion to it in Brawl, but I actually dislike Sonic on BF now in this game... With our landing options and approaches being even worse, I think BF is actually really poor for him.
:/
That was always part of the fun for me, but oh well... We'll just be driving to and fro now. Hopefully things pan out for the weekend.
As far as Battlefield, I applaud Orochi for remembering my devotion to it in Brawl, but I actually dislike Sonic on BF now in this game... With our landing options and approaches being even worse, I think BF is actually really poor for him.
Sonic Orochi
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Oh, right, ASCSC in BF was kinda awesome back then but in Sm4sh we can activate some mechanics even sooner with the platforms!
btw, didn't they find another place to host the event? http://twitter.com/xD1x/status/561220815635886080
Too bad it's BSBS.
btw, didn't they find another place to host the event? http://twitter.com/xD1x/status/561220815635886080
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Yup.
You heard it hear first, folks. Cam officially dislikes Battlefield for Sonic now!
They did, but it's a whole fiasco.
Events are canceled for the day and they're trying to transport equipment to the new venue. They also want to try to arrange a shuttle service from the old hotel to the new venue for everyone there.
The new venue is 40 minutes away from the old venue... And an hour from where I live. Makes no sense for me to go to that hotel anymore, despite how much I wanted to hang out with and meet everyone.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
Wii Fit Trainer. What do. She's so weird and even MORE troll than Sonic.
Kinzer
Mammy
I don't like Lylat now because for some reason the stage decides to treat you as airborne and stop your running if it's bobbing and you go from the mid-section to the outer parts. It didn't do that in Brawl; so, why now?I actually don't mind Battlefield now. Lylat will forever suck though.
Just don't downB like a moron and you're good.
Become the ball.
And slam dunk him/her/it/potato.
Right in the face.
I imagine because the terrain wasn't ported over exactly as it was. A bunch of other stages do the same thing. Smashville's platform does it too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkHmRr6GOY
Kinzer
Mammy
I thought that was just a cute little snippit with Lucario specifically. Can other characters do that?
Maybe. Probably depends on their aerial move speed.
Sonic's been able to do it since Brawl though. Remember SCROD? Or Wario's ability to move offstage then land back on it without double jumping?
Same concept as Lylat's edges.
Sonic's been able to do it since Brawl though. Remember SCROD? Or Wario's ability to move offstage then land back on it without double jumping?
Same concept as Lylat's edges.
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Kuraudo
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http://www.twitch.tv/teamsp00ky
CAMALANGE IS PLAYING AGAINST JMILLER! LEND HIM YOUR ENERGY!
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aaaand it's over. You needed to space things against Luigi and respect his space more!
Was that winners? Best of luck and make it out still!
CAMALANGE IS PLAYING AGAINST JMILLER! LEND HIM YOUR ENERGY!
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aaaand it's over. You needed to space things against Luigi and respect his space more!
Was that winners? Best of luck and make it out still!
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Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
Miller is not a player to not know the matchup against. :C Especially as that's pretty heavy in Luigi's favor.
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Terios the Hedgehog
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Pretty much everyone in this pool plays a bad matchup for Sonic. So many Luigis and Sheiks.
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Sorry guys.
Brief recap: Took 4th in my pools. Lost to JMiller and a ZSS... Two characters I don't have enough experience with. I actually bopped the Sheiks in my pool. I was so close to winning my set against ZSS but it's rough when you're learning the match-up as you're playing it. I also played GCFox who apparently uses Puff and I think knows Scourge (NoR4U), but I won that set and talked to him afterwards. Seemed like a really nice guy.
JMiller knew two Sonics would be in his pool, and had Ixis to train him in that match-up, so god knows he grinded it out whereas I had a very short training session with Jtails.
I started the set like, really clean and then it's like he just suddenly remembered how to win and shut me down. I didn't know how to respond.
tl;dr I wish I had more match-up experience. Thanks for your support though and I wish I could've done better.
Brief recap: Took 4th in my pools. Lost to JMiller and a ZSS... Two characters I don't have enough experience with. I actually bopped the Sheiks in my pool. I was so close to winning my set against ZSS but it's rough when you're learning the match-up as you're playing it. I also played GCFox who apparently uses Puff and I think knows Scourge (NoR4U), but I won that set and talked to him afterwards. Seemed like a really nice guy.
JMiller knew two Sonics would be in his pool, and had Ixis to train him in that match-up, so god knows he grinded it out whereas I had a very short training session with Jtails.
I started the set like, really clean and then it's like he just suddenly remembered how to win and shut me down. I didn't know how to respond.
tl;dr I wish I had more match-up experience. Thanks for your support though and I wish I could've done better.
Terios the Hedgehog
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Aw. By the old rules you would have made brackets. Stupid garage.
Kuraudo
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6WX took out Nietono. That's awesome. I have to level up.
Kuraudo
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When it's fresh, yeah.
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Pac-Man is so hype. Been wanting to see someone take him somewhere!
Congratulations to 6WX though for taking 4th. When I saw he had to face Dabuz I knew it was over :/ He still did far better than I expected, hot damn. Rosaluma is a horrendous match-up, and even if he had found a way around it, Dabuz was sitting on Olimar... Sonic's OTHER god awful match-up. It was a very similar story the last time he had to face Dabuz.
I'm on that PPMD hype right now though HOLY **** YES
Also feeling a little less salty because it was always top 2 advancing from pools for Sm4sh singles. Only way it would've been top 4 is if there had been less than 500 entrants.
Congratulations to 6WX though for taking 4th. When I saw he had to face Dabuz I knew it was over :/ He still did far better than I expected, hot damn. Rosaluma is a horrendous match-up, and even if he had found a way around it, Dabuz was sitting on Olimar... Sonic's OTHER god awful match-up. It was a very similar story the last time he had to face Dabuz.
I'm on that PPMD hype right now though HOLY **** YES
Also feeling a little less salty because it was always top 2 advancing from pools for Sm4sh singles. Only way it would've been top 4 is if there had been less than 500 entrants.
Kinzer
Mammy
Question: What would people here appreciate more:
A semi-maintained matchup thread or research done for Sonic's kill moves?
I'm only going to do one, and I wanted to wait until after Apex concluded. Turns out, I can't do both in the immediate future because of girlfriend and work; but, I still want to help contribute to Sonic's metagame; and both seem to be of high priority.
I'm only going to hold this informal poll until I get back from my tournament saturday.
A semi-maintained matchup thread or research done for Sonic's kill moves?
I'm only going to do one, and I wanted to wait until after Apex concluded. Turns out, I can't do both in the immediate future because of girlfriend and work; but, I still want to help contribute to Sonic's metagame; and both seem to be of high priority.
I'm only going to hold this informal poll until I get back from my tournament saturday.
kataridragon
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Matchup thread by far. With a good video section. Yeah!
luigi vs sonic is not fun. shielding his fireballs somehow locks you in shieldstun, and oc stops spindash charge. Add that to his fast frame data and aerials and chaingrab/followups, and you've definitely got one of sonic's harder matchups. Congratulations on doing performance!(: They'll be more opportunitiesSorry guys.
Brief recap: Took 4th in my pools. Lost to JMiller and a ZSS... Two characters I don't have enough experience with. I actually bopped the Sheiks in my pool. I was so close to winning my set against ZSS but it's rough when you're learning the match-up as you're playing it. I also played GCFox who apparently uses Puff and I think knows Scourge (NoR4U), but I won that set and talked to him afterwards. Seemed like a really nice guy.
JMiller knew two Sonics would be in his pool, and had Ixis to train him in that match-up, so god knows he grinded it out whereas I had a very short training session with Jtails.
I started the set like, really clean and then it's like he just suddenly remembered how to win and shut me down. I didn't know how to respond.
tl;dr I wish I had more match-up experience. Thanks for your support though and I wish I could've done better.
kid craft 24/sonic master
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sonic vs luigi i feel is definitely not one of our harder MUs. if luigi is fishing for dash grabs just bait them by shielding fireball and then mash jab. as grabs no longer have armor you'll break out. once we get luigi off stage he should in most cases lose a stock or be put in a very bad situation. And while luigi may indeed win the neutral thanks to his better frame data. we can basically out space him with ftilt and bait out his nair off a combo string such as spin dash uair or simple bait nair after an uthrow and punish.
Terios the Hedgehog
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**** shielding the fireball. Get right outside the range he can dash before getting a shield up. Then check that area with ftilt. If he dashes he'll get hit since he can't shield and if he fireballs you'll check it. Then watch him. If he dashes he can't shield and you should be able to side b through grab or attack which are his only options at that range. If he walks you have to make a call.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
Dang it... i dont care about matchups. The character is godlike now, who cares about matchups. I need to know when these moves kill now
Kinzer
Mammy
I understand your frustration, but:
This is the reason we sort of need to come to a consensus on these sorts of things. Sonic may have changed a lot; but, one thing that's carried over is the diversity of his playerbase and the inability to unanimously agree on any one thing.
Not that I myself am advocating a matchup thread over a data thread. I am but a humble servant of the community and work only towards what is requested most.
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That's quite the monumental task; given that I only have so much video footage to work with. Assuming I do end up making the MU thread, I'm going to need the Sonic community to post adaquete videos that can display the matchups played at their best from both parties. I can't be having any one-sided/non-educating videos. I accept nothing less than the highest quality for my thread. Call it the Kinzer seal of approval, if you must.
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Terios the Hedgehog
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#ONEUNIT ESPY!
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Eh, I got nothing. Nothing even remotely witty.You make it sound like the Sonic's are unique in not agreeing with one another.
kid craft 24/sonic master
Smash Lord
Well if or when we do make a MU research thread i can provide sonic insight into the luigi, megaman, diddy and to some.extent pac man MUs
Terios the Hedgehog
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OneUnit is such a joke.
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I disagree with a lot of this.
Shielding fireball and mashing jab is a terrible idea. Any Luigi with half a brain is the one doing the baiting in this situation. Luigi wins in neutral, plain and simple. Fireball isn't amazing, but it's definitely better and you have to just find ways around it. His jab is better, his fireball is better, etc. He's going to force approach and try to shut us out with PP Jab, grab, and all that fun stuff. His nair not only interrupts our combos, but can kill. He has mad priority on his aerials overall too, and the fact that he gets such free damage and set-ups out of his dthrow makes him so much more dangerous from Brawl.
Trying to outspace and bait him is a chore, and I also hate using the word "bait" in match-up discussion because that's a player by player basis and "mindgames" can't really be discussed in this context. Sonic obviously has a lot of baiting tools, but Luigi has a lot of options to cover them.
Granted, all the other Luigi's I faced prior to JMiller didn't give me too much trouble, he really demonstrated on both myself and Manny how that match-up is played. I think it's certainly winnable, but it's a trial.
Sonic is good but like… Terry and I were just recently having a discussion about how Sonic may be the worst "top 5" character ever lol. What top tier characters does Sonic handily beat? He has a decent MU with Diddy and debatably Sheik (most agree she's bad for us), and he still gets wrecked by Lolimar, Lucario, and Rosaluma is absolute nonsense…
Outside of them fixing his KO potential/power, he suffers even worse fundamentally from his prior weaknesses, being his awful approach and landing options.
Sonic is good, but it doesn't really mean **** if you still don't know match-ups, and when it's this early in the game, that's something we're all trying to figure out (especially myself apparently).
I'm not saying that any of these match-ups are completely out of Sonic's favor, but right now they're ones we commonly struggle with, and now is the time to learn and see how true it holds up. Luigi is giving more than just myself trouble, so we'll keep grinding it out and see in time how it plays out.
We did not :/ But thanks man I tried my best gomenasai >.>I met @Camalange in APEX :3 Now that I think about it, we didn't get a chance to play D: Ah well at least I gave you some coaching while on stream
I don't think videos are as important. We have the video archive already. Detailed write-ups and heated debate should be taking the forefront. Otherwise, we'll have too many "Well I beat THIS player and look at how good I am here" type of posts and it's like okay that's a player problem not a match-up problem. Basing off experience is fine but unless there's a really solid video that demonstrates strengths and weaknesses in the match-up, then they're unnecessary imo.
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