Sonic Impressions. Matches, FAQ/Guide - Updated with vids! (34+ matches)

[da K.I.D.]

is there any way that we could get a video of this up somewhere somehow. cause im having a huge problem envisioning this technique in action. or maybe just describe it better. either would be appreciated

 

[Dragonbreath]

Alright guys, I lied to you. It was only a 7 round winning streak. The vids will be up soon, though. =D!

EDIT: Adobo, I'm trying what you said, and it's kinda interesting, but doesn't seem wholly practical. Any way you could get a video of it, so I can make sure I'm doing it right?

Btw, guys, I just noticed that with the side+b>fair, you do 26 damage if you do everything right. Seems that I'll be working the spindashes into my game more and more, as they look to be his best options for damage. That and they actually have pretty good priority. More on this as I figure it out.

They do? How? I don't own it, but Spindashes seem like they'd have some serious priority issues, just in concept.

Actually, now that I think of it, I once saw a Samus vs Sonic video where he spindashed straight through a super missile, without taking damage, knockback or stun. Everyone in the comments said it was just a flaw from Samus, but it looked like invincibility frames to me.

I'll see if I can find it.

EDIT

Got it! You can see him go through it at 2:45. No damage, and the spin connected. It was in the middle of the jump from his side-b.

Also, he kills Zamus off the side with Fair at 115%. Just felt like pointing that one out.

Otherwise, this guy doesn't seem to be a particularly great player.

 

[tw1n]

awesome invincibility frames. I keep forget how much better the AI is in Brawl. Gotta love it :D

I haven't played brawl in like 2 weeks ahhh!!! And I probably won't till it comes over seas officially :'( But tis all good. Any new tricks Izzy?

 

[Adobo916]

I need a way to send my saved videos on my wii to here so I can show you.
The best way of doing this is jumping and then trying it sometimes short hopping works with it but its a smaller chance of actually reversing back in enough time.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Ah, that seems a lot more plausible. Just tried it, and I ~think~ I know what you're talking about, but I'm not seeing the same thing you are. Seriously, if you could get a vid clip, even if it's just you in training mode, that'd help a lot.

I thought, inititally, that Sonic's spindashes had zero priority. However, playing against a Sonic showed me that they're actually pretty decent approaches (or I just react poorly to them, one or the other). Either way, I'm going to try and incorporate them a little more into my playstyle. Due to being able to JC them, it seems like they'd be really viable for approaching airborne enemies while staying low to the ground. We'll see what happens, I guess.

 

[Lyoncet]

Couldn't it just be that the Spindash eats projectiles? It does the same thing to DeDeDe's projectile spam.

I also have a question on spindashes. How quickly can you change the direction you're going? I'm not talking about how long after hitting back do you start moving that way, but how soon after hitting back can you change the momentum back to forward? (Sorry if that made no sense.) It seems like if you can just jam back and then forward again quickly enough, you could use the predictability of the move against the opponent by "stalling" just a bit out of range, forcing them to miff their attack, and then following though with a hit.

It's fun speculating on a game you've never played and then making other people test it for you.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

You can't just spindash dance on their shield, unfortunately. D:

 

[tw1n]

Too bad because that would own all. But can you stay in place like the puff could do in melee with rollout?

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Eh, kinda, but not really. Also, it won't hit multiple times when you do that, for some reason. I think it only hits on certain frames after turnaround, which is really stupid.

 

[tw1n]

Ya thats pretty ********. Any new videos to show :D

 

[InterimOfZeal]

EVENTUALLY my win streak will be posted. I dunno why the guy is taking so long to post them.

 

[Adobo916]

Ill be uploading a video on the Reverse Spin Dash very soon, I found my camera Ive just to busy working, hopefully by tomorrow. It wont be perfect but Ill show you how to do it. ^_^

Also Im going to confirm if its still in the US version when we get the shipment at my job.

 

[tw1n]

Lol well hopefully they will be up soon :D Expect an quick Brawl FC from me Izzy after I get Brawl (and unlock the stuff). I want to match you and CO without the 6 hour drive

 

[Emerald Chaos]

Wow.... I can't beleive I'm making my first post here.

Anyway, I've been roaming around Youtube for a bit and I found a video with something interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INAunUpdQKo&feature=user

At :17 Sonic Spin Dashes towards Lucario he then proceeds to do a Homing Attack which either

A) Most likely scenario: Was carried forward by the momentum of his spin

Or

B) Somehow how alot of lag stopped.

It looked as though it might be pretty useful to me. But then again I don't have the game... WHat do you guys make of it?

 

[Dragonbreath]

Okay, that was much faster than a homing attack from his standing animation.

I think.

He does it more than once. Looks like it was made to combo with his other moves.

 

[Lyoncet]

That's what I thought too, but at 0:37 he does two that quickly, one from standing and one from floating.

I'm sending the poster a message asking what the deal is.

 

[Sonic Orochi]

That's what I thought too, but at 0:37 he does two that quickly, one from standing and one from floating.

I'm sending the poster a message asking what the deal is.

If you see any of my other videos, I pretty much use this everytime. o_O

I thought it was actually well-known that you could speed up the Homing Attack charge by pressing B (or A) again...

Well, there you go, no rocket science at all =P

 

[Shadowlyger]

...

You RULE, Orochi.

 

[Dragonbreath]

If you see any of my other videos, I pretty much use this everytime. o_O

I thought it was actually well-known that you could speed up the Homing Attack charge by pressing B (or A) again...

Well, there you go, no rocket science at all =P

...Please, tell us more of these well-known facts you speak of, magical videogame genie.

 

[Napilopez]

...Please, tell us more of these well-known facts you speak of, magical videogame genie.

Haha, that was funny.

Anyways, glad to see u've joined the boards Orochi! If you haven't you should read the thread about increasing the range of your fsmash, it would be a nice technique for you to incorporate.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Updated my first post with my win streak, for those too lazy to look:

spiritdragon(Marth) Vs. InterimOfZeal(Sonic)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oDmHDTvcasg

YangFuShang(Marth) Vs. InterimOfZeal(Sonic)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lZhXBaKIJs

InterimOfZeal(Sonic) Vs. McMoney(Snake) 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dKzziKoxCDw

Mikezor(Ice Climbers) vs InterimOfZeal(Sonic)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OoeyTmt-1OU

InterimOfZeal(Sonic) Vs. Mikezor(Ganon) o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RrmtPj4KNmc

The guy refused to post the other two matches, because they'd be embarrassing to LoVo and Erg, and unfair to them, since they haven't played as much. Seriously, that's what he said, look:

mike z says:
i didnt post ergs or lovos because i didnt want them to get insulted on the internet because of only one video
Ten minutes in eternity says:
Aww

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Instead, I'll hook you up with 3 other matches that I won. The GaW ones are from a tourney 2 weeks ago, PT is more recent, I think.

InterimOfZeal(Sonic) Vs. Brown NITE(Game & Watch) 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VNswL6qHCsM

InterimOfZeal(Sonic) Vs. Brown NITE(Game & Watch) 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z53II75mnWI

Timotee(Pokemon Trainer) Vs. InterimOfZeal(Sonic)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xYULr-3NAOc

Go to 5:37, the staredown is great. XD

 

[Timotee]

If only charizard had held the stare a bit longer, leer would've worked and I'd have won!

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Wouldn't have worked. Sonic's attack can't be lowered anymore.

 

[Adobo916]

I do that spin dash into homing attack too, most of sonic's moves require an extra few presses to speed/power up his moves.

 

[Mikezor]

Updated my first post with my win streak, for those too lazy to look:

spiritdragon(Marth) Vs. InterimOfZeal(Sonic)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oDmHDTvcasg

YangFuShang(Marth) Vs. InterimOfZeal(Sonic)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lZhXBaKIJs

InterimOfZeal(Sonic) Vs. McMoney(Snake) 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dKzziKoxCDw

Mikezor(Ice Climbers) vs InterimOfZeal(Sonic)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OoeyTmt-1OU

InterimOfZeal(Sonic) Vs. Mikezor(Ganon) o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RrmtPj4KNmc

The guy refused to post the other two matches, because they'd be embarrassing to LoVo and Erg, and unfair to them, since they haven't played as much. Seriously, that's what he said, look:

mike z says:
i didnt post ergs or lovos because i didnt want them to get insulted on the internet because of only one video
Ten minutes in eternity says:
Aww

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Instead, I'll hook you up with 3 other matches that I won. The GaW ones are from a tourney 2 weeks ago, PT is more recent, I think.

InterimOfZeal(Sonic) Vs. Brown NITE(Game & Watch) 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VNswL6qHCsM

InterimOfZeal(Sonic) Vs. Brown NITE(Game & Watch) 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z53II75mnWI

Timotee(Pokemon Trainer) Vs. InterimOfZeal(Sonic)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xYULr-3NAOc

Go to 5:37, the staredown is great. XD

I don't think "the guy" was necessary.

 

[Lyoncet]

If you see any of my other videos, I pretty much use this everytime. o_O

I thought it was actually well-known that you could speed up the Homing Attack charge by pressing B (or A) again...

Well, there you go, no rocket science at all =P

Wow. We, sir, are humbled.

Welcome to the boards, and thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!

~Lyoncet (the guy who messaged you on YouTube)


Edit: In retrospect, I guess it makes total sense, since to do a homing attack in all the Sonic 3-D games (sans Secret Rings), you, you know, hit jump, and then hit jump again. It would be awesome if you could just keep spamming B and do it over and over on the same guy.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Mikezor, srslah.

 

[tw1n]

ha ha everyone should know that Lovo is too good in Melee tho... But tis all good. Awesome vids :D Nice staredown too

 

[Ultra Nova]

I always really liked sonics homing attack too. Glad to see its useful.

 

[da K.I.D.]

it looks like they implemented the hoimg attk the same way that they did in the 360 STHH game... so that there's some lag after the moves hits. cause i remember in the Adventure games i never had to use the light speed attk because i could jump and than mash the A button until everything in the room was dead

 

[tw1n]

Ha ha great memories there. It would be awesome if you could gimp someone multiple times with the homing and then recover. Just more insult to injury even =D

 

[Brown NITE]

Sonic has infinite jumps, guys. Same thing as Bowser. Also, don't EVER dash grab anymore. Cancel the dash into a >b, then cancel into a grab, so you don't have that horrendous range/lag. I'm seriously.

Sonic's >b is amazing. More on this later.

EDIT: -Zeal

DOUBLE EDIT: Also, I have a really lulzy technique with the dair and springboard. I'll get vids up later, it's great. =D

 

[Adobo916]

Lol you mean when you UP B and D Air on the spring a bunch of times?! I love doing that its like a 4th taunt. xD

 

[Brown NITE]

Yessir. It's great. XD

 

[samper]

Hey all. The smash wiki says that down B can stop upward momentum and, of slightly greater notice, spike. I've watched quite a few sonic videos and have yet to see it do anything like that, but then again I don't often see spin dashes used, so can anyone comment on that?

...Though now that I think about it the wiki also still says that down air spikes midair opponents, and that's apparently not the case, so I'm not sure how much stock I should take in that. Oh, and I remember someone mentioning neutral air having a sweet spot or something about the upper mid portion of the attack (can't remember who though, think it might have been InterimOfZeal) but I never saw anything else about it. Did anyone follow that up?

Nice match collection too Zeal, especially the ones against ike and marth (I love watching those two get beat down).

 

[Brown NITE]

I have taken to doing spindashes off the stage, but haven't connected yet.D:

It ~might~ be able to stop momentum, but I haven't had any luck so far.

Btw, you can charge the side b, and it moves wicked fast. Updates later, I'm tired.

-Zeal

 

[Firekid2]

Can you still jump cancel Dair?

Like, if you only jump once, dair, and attempt to jump again, does he still stop and go into a second jump?

 

[magnomanX]

Zeal, so you're saying you can cancel Sonic's side B into a GRAB??? now i REALLY wanna see some vids.

 

[Libomasus]

Sonic has infinite jumps, guys. Same thing as Bowser. Also, don't EVER dash grab anymore. Cancel the dash into a >b, then cancel into a grab, so you don't have that horrendous range/lag. I'm seriously.

Sonic's >b is amazing. More on this later.

EDIT: -Zeal

DOUBLE EDIT: Also, I have a really lulzy technique with the dair and springboard. I'll get vids up later, it's great. =D

Wait, so you're saying that if you use >B while close to the ground you can do infinite jumps using the spindashes hop?

I'm going to go test this out...

 

[magnomanX]

OMG i just saw Sonic Orochi in action, and I must say he totally blew me away!!! Your style is so fast and aggressive that you constantly keep your opponent guessing. Even tho his videos are against lvl 9 cpu, I will go as far as to say that Sonic Orochi is better than InterimofZeal. Orochi incorporates ALL of Sonic's attacks wisely and effectively while constantly zooming across the stage both horizontally AND vertically. Zeal, on the other hand, hardly ever uses the spin dash approach or the homing attack.

Both of you should do a mirror match just to see who is better, lol.