finalark
SNORLAX
Not being smart enough to build up enough moment to go up a slope + a single glitch that I've never seen happen =/= bad physics.
But yeah, from what I've heard the Wii version is inferior to the PS360 version.
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Sonic 4 Episode 1.
- Thread starter finalark
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But yeah, from what I've heard the Wii version is inferior to the PS360 version.
Segtendo
Smash Hero
They are actually hacking Sonic 4 on Sonic Retro.
http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=23010
It's the Wii version, I believe.
http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=23010
It's the Wii version, I believe.
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
Actually its not just the wii version. the leaderboards on the 360 version is hacked, too. Some people have like 0 seconds for one of the times for a a stage on the leaderboards. Idk if the PS3 leaderboards are hacked, though.
finalark
SNORLAX
I just got done playing, the PS3 leaderboards look fine.
LLDL
Smash Hero
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You must not be familiar with sonic physics, I am. If you don' build up enough momentum to climb a slope, you slip back down. You don't walk up parallel to the wall indefinitely stuck in that position. Bad physics bra.
Fuelbi
Banned via Warnings
Well think about it.
Lets say that I had a Gameinformer magazine and I'm looking at those reviews. For every review I read, I've noticed that I really agree with EVERY SINGLE REVIEW on each game since I've played them myself and rated them about the same
Now, lets say Sonic 4 just came out and they gave it a horrid review (like 3/10 for example). Would I really waste my time playing a game that I know will be most likely horrid since the Gameinformer magazine said so since I agree with most of the crap they talk about? Of course I would
That's why people actually look at that ****. Personally, I'd rather play it, but that's the mentality of other people who buy these magazines
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
So you press A to jump off the slope and do a spin dash to get over the slope. Its not that bad.
Fuelbi
Banned via Warnings
And this is what I mean by the Sonic community just nitpicking each of Sonic's games apart
OMG SONIC CAN RUN UP A WALL INDEFINITELY OH NO! SONIC SUCKS!
That's all I'm hearing. People, stop ****ing over **** you aren't ever gonna do seriously. Why the hell would ANYONE try to walk up a wall? Just Spin Dash or just go back and gain momentum and get the **** over it seriously. Tell me guys, does this affect your gameplay at all? Of course it doesn't because 99% of the Sonic gamers just RUN or SPIN DASH up a wall
It's like that picture of the game that came out once. This guy is in a room with a TV with antennas on it, and some guy who I have no idea why the **** would ever do that screen capped it, zoomed it in, and pointed out that the antennas were lower quality than the rest of the game. Then people got turned off and I was thinking "Seriously?You gotta be kidding me".
Seriously people, stop nitpicking over the tiniest ****s that happen in the game that will most likely never happen to you. Like even I never find these glitches. You know why? Because I'm too busy playing the ****ed game and I actually have a life
OMG SONIC CAN RUN UP A WALL INDEFINITELY OH NO! SONIC SUCKS!
That's all I'm hearing. People, stop ****ing over **** you aren't ever gonna do seriously. Why the hell would ANYONE try to walk up a wall? Just Spin Dash or just go back and gain momentum and get the **** over it seriously. Tell me guys, does this affect your gameplay at all? Of course it doesn't because 99% of the Sonic gamers just RUN or SPIN DASH up a wall
It's like that picture of the game that came out once. This guy is in a room with a TV with antennas on it, and some guy who I have no idea why the **** would ever do that screen capped it, zoomed it in, and pointed out that the antennas were lower quality than the rest of the game. Then people got turned off and I was thinking "Seriously?You gotta be kidding me".
Seriously people, stop nitpicking over the tiniest ****s that happen in the game that will most likely never happen to you. Like even I never find these glitches. You know why? Because I'm too busy playing the ****ed game and I actually have a life
zxeon
Smash Lord
That's not a glitch that's just how the game is programed to handle the situation.
Fuelbi
Banned via Warnings
Why the **** would you EVER walk up a wall in a Sonic game?It really does affect the gameplay
zxeon
Smash Lord
Fans to the rescue! Doing what SONIC TEAM is seemingly incapable of doing.Sonic Retro is hacking the Sonic 4 WAD to make it better.
They even managed to change Sonic's color.
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
I think you've already established that you don't like this game.
finalark
SNORLAX
OMG OLD COLORS INSTANTLY AFFECTS GAME PLAY.
I hate fanboys. I really do. The only people in the world who can't enjoy something because of tiny details that don't even matter to normal people.
Does a normal person care about the color of Sonic's eyes? No. If the physics are different from the old games? No. If he has an idle animation or not? No.
These are all things that normal people who have lives would just kind of shrug off in a state of minor disappointment.
And stop acting like Sonic 1-3's physics and GLITCHES didn't make you scratch your head some times.
zxeon
Smash Lord
I can't even take you seriously anymore finalark. You keep putting words in my mouth and I'm don't want to keep correcting you. It's taking up too much of my day.
This made me Lol.
This made me Lol.
It's true. If you are playing Sonic to beat it, you are always going to be running.
This doesn't excuse the hill physics in Sonic 4 being completely ****ty. Just because you aren't "supposed" to walk up ramps, there should be some sort of animation for sliding/rolling down. It's not acceptable to glitch out so bad like that, something that has such an easy fix. It just makes the developers look like lazy people.
At least it's not as bad as literally being able to casually stroll through 95% of Sonic 06
kupo15
Smash Hero
Some older quotes I wanted to respond too.
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Also, I actually highly disagree with your "noone cares if the physics engine is like the old games" because this is one of my biggest complaints with the mario games. The physics engine of all retro games are tight and impeccably precise. The physics engine these days are built slow and unresponsive. Mario takes forever to jump, forever to change directions, forever to get to top speed (which is crucial to getting the better jump), the air control is too slow.
Prime example. NSMBW I remember several occasions where there was a medium high wall which you could NOT jump over from a standstill (much like the retro games) and the game only gave you a small runway. Well, I was having a much harder time than I should have getting over those walls because of the physics engine where mario needs a mile to get the extra jump boost. This obstacle would have been no problem in the older games.
Mario is a game NOT built around momentum in the sense that it takes time to fight momentum for Newtons law. You can unnaturally stop and start. Sonic however is a game built for this realistic physics implementation and Mario games now are using Sonicesq physics. This makes Mario platforming unnecessarily more difficult.
The realistic physics engine is what made Sonic games good in the first place because the game was built around that style of movement. Now the Sonic engine is more Marioesq where you lose momentum for no reason. This makes Sonic games unnecessarily more difficult and hard to control.
In general the physics engines have become more and more realistic (or more UNLIKE what they were designed to fit with) which isn't fun. It doesn't feel like a game anymore with wacky things you can do and nowadays I feel like half my energy is spent fighting the physics engine then it is enjoying the game. The challenge in platforming games should be harder obstacles and gaps, not difficulty with sloppy control. For dedicated gamers like myself, feel is super important and noticeable and its not something I can let slide when I know how much better it can be because of how much better it used to be.
Nope I am the same way. And I disliked Galaxy 1 even more.
Lol yea. Like dying in the Ending Credits. Omg that is the most amazing **** ever.
I didn't hate it but I did have more fun with Adventure 2 Battle primarly cause I am a Nintendo person and I was too young to handle sonic. I always ran into something I never saw, a pit or a boulder and painfully had to restart my momentum. Maybe I'll like the games better now.
For the record I did notice the idle animation in the old games and it was cool. Its not a major component to gameplay but it has its place in making the game complete and full. I also find that certain things (not this in particular) are hidden easter eggs and cool things that you would find by accident or something. One being SM64s sleep animation. It was so cool to find that out and I would purposely wait for that. Not anymore though cause I just want to play the game.
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Also, I actually highly disagree with your "noone cares if the physics engine is like the old games" because this is one of my biggest complaints with the mario games. The physics engine of all retro games are tight and impeccably precise. The physics engine these days are built slow and unresponsive. Mario takes forever to jump, forever to change directions, forever to get to top speed (which is crucial to getting the better jump), the air control is too slow.
Prime example. NSMBW I remember several occasions where there was a medium high wall which you could NOT jump over from a standstill (much like the retro games) and the game only gave you a small runway. Well, I was having a much harder time than I should have getting over those walls because of the physics engine where mario needs a mile to get the extra jump boost. This obstacle would have been no problem in the older games.
Mario is a game NOT built around momentum in the sense that it takes time to fight momentum for Newtons law. You can unnaturally stop and start. Sonic however is a game built for this realistic physics implementation and Mario games now are using Sonicesq physics. This makes Mario platforming unnecessarily more difficult.
The realistic physics engine is what made Sonic games good in the first place because the game was built around that style of movement. Now the Sonic engine is more Marioesq where you lose momentum for no reason. This makes Sonic games unnecessarily more difficult and hard to control.
In general the physics engines have become more and more realistic (or more UNLIKE what they were designed to fit with) which isn't fun. It doesn't feel like a game anymore with wacky things you can do and nowadays I feel like half my energy is spent fighting the physics engine then it is enjoying the game. The challenge in platforming games should be harder obstacles and gaps, not difficulty with sloppy control. For dedicated gamers like myself, feel is super important and noticeable and its not something I can let slide when I know how much better it can be because of how much better it used to be.
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
You saying this game sucks is getting old. There's noting wrong with your opinion, but the fact that you keep on voicing your same opinion OVER and OVER again is really annoying. If you have nothing else to add to the thread, then just stop posting here.I can't even take you seriously anymore finalark. You keep putting words in my mouth and I'm don't want to keep correcting you. It's taking up too much of my day.
This made me Lol.
Is that Sonic Colors poster an official poster? if so that's awesome.
Rain(ame)
Smash Champion
Um...I know this is old, but I was like 6 when Sonic came out. I definitely noticed that idle animation, lol.
Furthermore....people get what they ask for and then they hate on it like crazy. It's the general reaction to stuff. Instead of being grateful...they nit pick. *shrugs* Sonic games haven't been THAT bad. However, to the SA1 lovers....I was listening to a conversation about the game. People were amazed at how they even liked the game back then. (After playing it again on the 360.) They mentioned how bad the game was, and the glitches, and etc. So....maybe take a second look at your precious SA1?
Just saying...get over it. Either play it or don't. I'm sick of hearing the nonsense. I know people out there are enjoying it. It was mentioned before...the price is the biggest killer. Other than that....The game IS NOT BAD.
Video Game magazines turned everyone in to haters, I swear.
Furthermore....people get what they ask for and then they hate on it like crazy. It's the general reaction to stuff. Instead of being grateful...they nit pick. *shrugs* Sonic games haven't been THAT bad. However, to the SA1 lovers....I was listening to a conversation about the game. People were amazed at how they even liked the game back then. (After playing it again on the 360.) They mentioned how bad the game was, and the glitches, and etc. So....maybe take a second look at your precious SA1?
Just saying...get over it. Either play it or don't. I'm sick of hearing the nonsense. I know people out there are enjoying it. It was mentioned before...the price is the biggest killer. Other than that....The game IS NOT BAD.
Video Game magazines turned everyone in to haters, I swear.
zxeon
Smash Lord
No it's 'shopped but that's my sentiment on the current Sonic situation.
Fuelbi
Banned via Warnings
Jesus zxeon. Stop being such an annoying douche and keep saying that a game sucks over and over again. I'm ****ing serious, ever argument in this thread has either started because you or Luigitoilet keep saying that this game sucks over and over againI can't even take you seriously anymore finalark. You keep putting words in my mouth and I'm don't want to keep correcting you. It's taking up too much of my day.
This made me Lol.
And as for what Luigitoilet said, really? Again, who the **** cares if the game has a glitch? I really don't give a crap and neither will most people who play this game because nobody actually cares whether or not the physics engine is different.
I'm ****ing serious people, stop stating over and over again that Sonic sucks. It's getting old and if you hate him that much then get the **** out of this thread instead of just coming in here to criticize Sonic and pretty much every single game he's ever been in post Shadow the Hedgehog
zxeon
Smash Lord
This is a Sonic thread. As a rule not everyone is going to agree. Deal with it.
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
You've already said that you don't like this game like 10 times, now. Seriously, you're annoying the crap out of people. Its ok to say you don't like the game once. But enough is enough, just shut up about it already.
finalark
SNORLAX
Really, Zxeon, if you don't have anything positive to add to the thread then GTFO.
Yes, we are all very aware that a majority of the post Shadow games have been pretty bad but now thanks to Sonic 4 he's getting back on track. I'm sorry that it wasn't what you wanted it to be but you just need to get over it.
Yes, we are all very aware that a majority of the post Shadow games have been pretty bad but now thanks to Sonic 4 he's getting back on track. I'm sorry that it wasn't what you wanted it to be but you just need to get over it.
Stop whining about people who don't like the game. This is a discussion board. It's meant for discussing things, not for being an endless circle jerk.
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
We're only whining because he's stated it like 10 times now. It's getting old.
finalark
SNORLAX
Stop ignoring the fact that the only thing he's added to this thread is negativity and the same repeated opinion over and over again without even bothering to examine the good parts of the game.
If you didn't like the game then fine, just stop shoving it down our throats. And at least have a good reason to not like it rather than whiny fanboy bull.
zxeon
Smash Lord
And just how are you adding to the discussion with that post? There hasn't been much of anything going on in this thread since everyone stopped playing this game.
finalark
SNORLAX
We've been comparing our times and other people have been stating their opinion on the game.
Which reminds me, am I the only one who is having a hard time getting under a min on all of the zones?
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
I've only gotten under a minute on the first zone. Even that one was somewhat challenging. You get a really high time bonus for getting under a minute, too. Like 50,000 points I think.
finalark
SNORLAX
I think I'm at around 1:15 for Zone 1 Act 1. I'm trying to shaving off those fifteen seconds.
Mr. Johan
Smash Hero
It's the sign of a lengthy game if it takes a considerable amount of time to complete each act. I could finish Sonic 1's GHZ Act 2 in less than a minute easy, even with backtracking to get the three item boxes at the base of the waterfall at the start of the act, no matter how long it's been since I last played the zone; and unless the zone has the name Marble or Labyrinth in it, it takes just as long to complete those other acts. Whereas in Sonic 4, unless it's SHZ Act 1, it takes me at least 1'10 to each act. I like this a lot; it lets me take in the beautiful level design and enjoy the cool music.
zxeon
Smash Lord
Please enlighten, me what parts of this game are good? Because all the good things in this game are borrowed wholesale from Sonic 2. They even took menu SFX from SA2(Not that I'm claiming this as a 'good thing'). It adds inferior control, physics anomalies, and bland music to the 2D series' list of gameplay innovations.
You seem to be content with a game as long as the game is named Sonic and you get to play as the titular blue hedgehog. I hold my games to a higher standard. To me Sonic isn't a mascot to be trotted out for a quick cash grab.
If the game didn't play every trope from the Sonic 2 catalog of game design I'd go easier on it but this game lifted everything it could from better Sonic games and copy pasted on to a bland platformoer that doesn't seem to know what fans of the series look for in a release.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
Someone needs to slap the face of Physics Troll over Sonic's head while standing on a wall in this game.
STAT.
STAT.
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
So I finally got all the chaos emeralds. And I gotta say I love playing as Super sonic, you become invincible and a lot faster. Only thing is to watch out for is bottomless pits.