So I heard Young Link counters Jigglypuff.

[Dax]

And I'm saying it since like 2007.

Puff doesn't **** a good ylink.

She does it so easily it's not even funny.

WHERE YOU AT?


YOUNG
LINK
COUNTERS
JIGGLYPUFF

ACCEPT IT PEOPLE

<3 ARMADA!

 

[OverLord]

That's been always obvious, but you know, people have to see things to believe 'em

 

[JTB]

Yeah, because I'm sure anyone that isn't Armada can pick up young link and beat jiggs.

 

[Dax]

Yeah, because I'm sure anyone that isn't Armada can pick up young link and beat jiggs.

Yeah, exactly. Check out Vanz's sets against Hbox or try it yourself. I always did it and it worked. Obviously I'm not good enough to beat Hbox .

 

[Caleb Wolfbrand]

Let's not get out of control with this, either. One YL beat one Jiggs once - we need more substantial evidence for a claim as bold as "counter". Now if he beats Darc, Mango, and other puffs - I'll agree.

Just cause Taj beats someone with M2 doesn't mean M2 counters the character. JTB's point is also good.

Jash's opinion would be nice, but I don't know his stance on it at all.

 

[JTB]

Yeah, exactly. Check out Vanz's sets against Hbox or try it yourself. I always did it and it worked. Obviously I'm not good enough to beat Hbox .

Or possibly it's a bad matchup for Hbox?

There needs to be more evidence to support your claim. Honestly, it just looks like you are hyping up Armada's victory.

 

[choknater]

ylink is just a **** character in general, come on guys

armada trained in this matchup with hack

 

[Veetaak]

I didn't even know about Armadas YL... And I'm a swede :O

 

[Meljin]

Just cause Taj beats someone with M2 doesn't mean M2 counters the character.

Quoted for truth. I think that Hungrybox isn't used to play versus Young Link as he is used to play versus Peach.

 

[Dax]

Or possibly it's a bad matchup for Hbox?

There needs to be more evidence to support your claim. Honestly, it just looks like you are hyping up Armada's victory.

No, actually I've been sayin' that this matchup works well since years. Again, watch Vanz. The evidence is the matchup itself and how it works. Of course you gotta know that you can bomb > dair and stuff.
The only problem here is that nobody tried\believed it. I've done it myself against loads of Jigglypuff, but I'm def. not good enough as a player to do it against Hbox or whatever (apart from the fact that i'm in Europe lol).

Since apart from Vanz's tries there are no other top players, I can't show you more, but I'm not sure that this is needed lol. Try it yourself\watch how the matchup works.

@Celeb: of course this topic is a "joke". I'm not saying that Since Armada did it... etc. I'm saying this from years. Now it just happened to have a little more proof.
Also, LOL. Young Link is not Mewtwo. There are no complex mind games like down throw\back throw trap and intense combos. It's just that he's quick, camps well, and if gets a bomb in, puff is dead.

 

[JTB]

Tournament results > everything else. If the match was truly in young link's favor and it's completely obvious how the matchup works, then why aren't more people going ylink against jiggs? Also, if you have been saying it for years, then why haven't more people taken notice?

 

[Dax]

Tournament results > everything else. If the match was truly in young link's favor and it's completely obvious how the matchup works, then why aren't more people going ylink against jiggs? Also, if you have been saying it for years, then why haven't more people taken notice?

Wtf, that contradicts what you said before. Then ok, YL > puff based on tournament result.
Lol it's simple: because it's a low tier and nobody plays low tiers. It's just something that isn't taken in consideration, rest assured that after today it will . All was needed was a real proof, and it just happened. When I said "how the match up works" I meant how the match up develops (what moves are used and how)
also lol, obviously because:
1) I am not a top player, although I get top 7 in teams in eu
2) there are no puffs in Europe. And the puffs we have aren't that good that people need to think out of the box.
3) I wasn't saying it for years here, I just spoke with people at tournaments and recently posted about it in the euro Tier list

 

[Moooose]

wow haters are dumb
ylink is clearly pretty good against jiggs

 

[rhan]

I've been saying this since I started smash.

 

[Metal Reeper]

So glad Armada beat em with Ylink. It was so awesome seeing Hbawx lose.

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

You're just salty Hbox is better than all of you.

 

[JTB]

Wtf, that contradicts what you said before. Then ok, YL > puff based on tournament result.
Lol it's simple: because it's a low tier and nobody plays low tiers. It's just something that isn't taken in consideration, rest assured that after today it will . All was needed was a real proof, and it just happened. When I said "how the match up works" I meant how the match up develops (what moves are used and how)
also lol, obviously because:
1) I am not a top player, although I get top 7 in teams in eu
2) there are no puffs in Europe. And the puffs we have aren't that good that people need to think out of the box.
3) I wasn't saying it for years here, I just spoke with people at tournaments and recently posted about it in the euro Tier list

I apologize, by tournament results I mean CONSISTENT tournament results. If it was jiggs being beaten by ylinks everywhere, then yes, you could claim it's a counter. But I only see one match in which a top ylink beat a top jiggs. You are claiming it's a counter off that, I'm claiming the better player won.

I'll retract my statement about you hyping up Armada's victory. You are just adopting a "Told you so" mentality and using Armada's victory as proof.

 

[IVP]

lol if u guys lived in sweden u would get all the evidence. armada has trained y link for half a year now against swedish puffs (but none recorded cuz he wanted it to be a surprise) and we have seen how crazy it is. y link camps the **** out of puff and one bomb leads to an uair or dair etc. trust me the match up is ridiculous

 

[Anthon1996]

So glad Armada beat em with Ylink. It was so awesome seeing Hbawx lose.

Especially the way he lost, missing the Rest. :D

If I were Armada, I would've triumphantly got out some milk to go with those Jigglypuffs, a great source for Vitamin Knee!

 

[Dark Sonic]

People hating on hungrybox is really uncalled for. He's a very nice person, who trained hard for years clawing his way up, while being told his style was gay the entire way (and while I do hate how he plays, I don't hate him for it and don't deny that he deserves to be a top level player for it).

Haters gonna hate.

Mad props to Armada though. His Young Link was no joke, he knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[Metal Reeper]

^Agree I love Hbox as a person. I think I played em once. His style is MAD wack and idk its just not what people want to see in grand finals.

 

[Xianglian]

His style is MAD wack and idk its just not what people want to see in grand finals.

That's why the creator of this thread made this thread. We are glad to see HBox lose only for the fat that his playing stlye with jiggs would be an utter pain to watch. It's just better that it was with Armada's Ylink. I'd love to see Armada in GF.

 

[RATED]

You're just salty Hbox is better than all of you.

I love you. -No homo-.

 

[Composeur]

It was seriously such sweet revenge to watch hungrybox get outcamped by AR's secret weapon. I figured Armada was concocting some scheme for Pound V, but I never would have dreamed YLink. I when I turned it on and saw the match, I thought for sure it must be a friendly.

Hungrybox is a mad good player, and there were reports of him being rusty at ROM 3, but I don't know if that was true for lb. 5. Maybe his opponents have finally developed ways to exploit the chinks in his armor, or maybe he was rusty, or maybe he doesn't understand the matchup very well.

Until we see two top-level players who are familiar with the matchup play it, we can't know for sure how much it favors anyone. For now, at least, I think it's safe to say that ylink is, at a minimum, somewhat effective against puff.

 

[Van.]

The ylinks talk about this in their social thread all the time. Its niot like people are just pulling this out now that a high profile jiggs finally lost to a ylink.

 

[Bing]

It honestly must have been incredibly frustrating to be Hbox in that matchup, like his approach was being countered by Armada projectiles, Ylink doesnt counter jiggs, lets not get ahead of ourselves here...

 

[D20]

Young Link does not "counter" Jigglypuff. However, it is one of Young Link's better high tier match ups. When you add in the fact that Armada is an extremely smart player and that hungrybox could not have known to prepare for Young Link, this result was just begging to happen.

 

[HT F8]

People seem to forget that SSBM is a GAME not a TV show... Hbox doesn't play to entertain viewers, he plays to win. I'm pretty sure that's what smash is about.

Edit: Stupid people aside, I'm soo hyped to see Armada's beastly YLink.

 

[King Funk]

Armada needed to have Hungrybox approach him to make things easier. This was his main problem at Apex2. Projectiles force approaches. This is something Peach turnips couldn't provide him, something Falco lasers wouldn't provide because Hungrybox is a top Puff player who is adept at limiting their influence to the game. However, Young Link has greater versatility when it comes to his projectile game as he can throw not only one but two projectiles, but much more importantly, in all directions. That allows Armada to set up an efficient camping tactic to rack up as much damage as possible on Hungrybox, constantly predicting all his movements and trajectory. Young Link being a small target, it was also very complicated for Puff to hit him and get a few rests. And to top it all, Armada had the brilliant idea of using bomb to dair as an extremely efficient kill setup. Dair really kills Jigglypuff insanely early.

Armada planned every single part of this, and managed to apply it perfectly.

He is truly a genius.

 

[Djent]

Armada planned every single part of this, and managed to apply it perfectly.

He is truly a genius.

Word. *claps*

 

[Divinokage]

Tournament results > everything else. If the match was truly in young link's favor and it's completely obvious how the matchup works, then why aren't more people going ylink against jiggs? Also, if you have been saying it for years, then why haven't more people taken notice?

So Link counters Ganon right? Tss.. >_>

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Zelda canon > Melee tiers

 

[darkatma]

btw bomb to dair isnt a real combo. it only works if they don't DI away.

now if armada was timing his bombs so that they hit while hbox was doing the dair, then that forces puff to DI in.
that would be truly genius.

 

[Bing]

Im glad that most people dont think that Young Link counters puff, atleast after one set. Like, If this happens a few more times, even more so if its done to more then one puff.

Another reason why I think that Hbox struggled so much with this matchup is because who the hell in North America really knows how to play Young Link, like, hes RARELY used so if hes used at a somewhat high level its going to give even the best of players a bit of difficulty, now if you add in the fact that the player was Armada, then you're really going to have some difficulty


Btw that whole thing about his bomb to dair combos, i agree with Darkatma, the bomb just stuns them temporarily, though it sure as hell works well

 

[Divinokage]

Im glad that most people dont think that Young Link counters puff, atleast after one set. Like, If this happens a few more times, even more so if its done to more then one puff.

Another reason why I think that Hbox struggled so much with this matchup is because who the hell in North America really knows how to play Young Link, like, hes RARELY used so if hes used at a somewhat high level its going to give even the best of players a bit of difficulty, now if you add in the fact that the player was Armada, then you're really going to have some difficulty


Btw that whole thing about his bomb to dair combos, i agree with Darkatma, the bomb just stuns them temporarily, though it sure as hell works well

Ya you pretty much nailed it right there.

 

[Bing]

Coming from you Kage, that means so much
I look forward to playing you one day

 

[D20]

I played him once.

It was terrifying.

 

[Takeover1806]

omg I was soooo hyped while watching this set live.
I freaking love Armada, he's too godlike and changing the metagame in every way now.
I love it.

 

[Armada]

darkatma: Bom to dair is a combo. If they DI perfectly you can still follow up

I have been practice this machups sience a couple weeks after Apex so i know the matchup pretty well.

 

[Divinokage]

darkatma: Bom to dair is a combo. If they DI perfectly you can still follow up

I have been practice this machups sience a couple weeks after Apex so i know the matchup pretty well.

That was a good plan it seems for you. =)