So I guess ICs are "S Tier" now :) / :( ?

[Smoom77]

Yo, here are the vids of me and illmatic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I8TySh3qP0&feature=feedu

 

[kackamee]

Does anyone else find it easier to just not try to grab peach at all? I just hit her with B-air most of the game.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I just pocket mk.

 

[DeLux]

Just a heads up, I might be on a livestream if the tourney I'm at has the internet working.

check here if you want updates

 

[Mr. game and watch]

You at genisis?

 

[DeLux]

No I'm not.

At a tourney in Springfield, MO

 

[Smoom77]

Does anyone else find it easier to just not try to grab peach at all? I just hit her with B-air most of the game.

Bair works really well, but you can't wall her with it the whole game. I like nair oos after her dair.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

At BF, my nana was trying to recover.
She got under the ledge, in the corner below me and resynced.
I started jabbing non-stop and she nair'd and was flying below the stage.
Went for like 10 seconds before my brother ran over and hit me out of it.


Is this known/could it be used for edge gaurding/should I post the replay I took

 

[Blissard]

Is this known/could it be used for edge gaurding/should I post the replay I took

It's known:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmQwy-0dM3U

The problem with edge-guarding with it is that a lot of recoveries have invincibility frames (shuttle loop, dolphin slash) or can avoid it (cypher). Also Nana will get stage-spiked and die.

 

[Rubberbandman]

Blissard, Shuttle loop doesnt have invincibility frames on start up in the air, only from grounded shuttle loop. It just doesn't clash with anything.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Would falcon an ganons recovery go through the Nair or would it **** them?

 

[Smoom77]

Depends how they space it. That trick is completely useless, give up on it.

I won a small tournament today. Results will be up later.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Yay smoomington!

K won't worry bout it.

Ugh my grabs got rusty.
Need to stop playing pockets

 

[DeLux]

At a kid Smoom.

I also won a small local. I had to talk them into a $2 entry because I drove 3 hours to get there.

Not very happy with how I played, but the tripless stuff worked for me for a while so it was a huge step forward in the technical deparment

 

[Smoom77]

It took me so long to figure out what "At a kid" meant, hahahahah.

Good job Lux! How many people were there?

 

[DeLux]

I think it was 12. Their best player mained Zelda

So I didn't even really bother with my normal gameplan and just DSG and roll read dash grab *****d it out.

Cheese would have been proud

 

[Myollnir]

I'm sure it's already known, but when you're on a platform where you can PC, if you press down before doing a blizzard, both blizzards go in the same direction.

 

[DeLux]

I'm going to release some info on platform cancelling at some point that's pretty mind blowing lol

 

[z00ted]

SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM won yesterday!

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I'm sure it's already known, but when you're on a platform where you can PC, if you press down before doing a blizzard, both blizzards go in the same direction.

you mean falling through the platform?
Blizzard in air is almost always the same direction with both icies.
That's why I like to SH blizzard by the edge.
Desynched sh blizzard makes a purdy good wall.

[collapse=but why?]This happens because the only way to turn around midair is jumping again, using a recover, or being marth.
So nana staying synched with you in air = she can't turn around.

Blizzarding while off the side is a nono.
It desynchs you slighty, so when you finish the blizzard and hit upB, you hop right beside nana and fall to your death.[/collapse]

 

[Smoom77]

No, on a platform like smashville. If you drop down but blizzard immediately, you will stay on the platform but nana and popo will do their blizzard the same way

 

[Yikarur]

simple platform cancel mechanique, it's like dropping through a platform and pressing down on the c-stick afterwards but here with special instead of C-Stick down
works on every platform where platform cancel is possible. :D

 

[DeLux]

This happens because the only way to turn around midair is jumping again, using a recover, or being marth.
So nana staying synched with you in air = she can't turn around.

Blizzarding while off the side is a nono.
It desynchs you slighty, so when you finish the blizzard and hit upB, you hop right beside nana and fall to your death.

This is wrong.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Oh, kinda like dropping and using IB to hop back up on the platform?



Edit: no u

which part? First, second, or both.

 

[FrozenHobo]

lol desync confusions wait a second after your blizzard finishes off the side and you'll be able to tether... of course, thats just one thing wrong with your post, but whatever.

 

[B0NK]

@Mr.G&W: ...both >.>

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Lolk.
You can Tether after blizzy, but you have to fall a bit.
If you go blizzy and imediatly upB, you won't tether, and just fall.
This has happened to me 100% of the time.
But if I air about a second, not sure on any frame data, I can tether to survival!

 

[Smoom77]

you are hilarious.

 

[EverAlert]

sup guys, here for my bi-yearly checkin lolol.

No, on a platform like smashville. If you drop down but blizzard immediately, you will stay on the platform but nana and popo will do their blizzard the same way

Don't quote me on this, but I am pretty sure this is a property of animations, not a property of platform cancelling. The animation pops you up slightly so if you buffer Blizz out of plat drop you will do an aerial Blizz (hence the double-forward action) that puts you above and makes you immediately land on the platform again. Same reason MK can platform drop into dair without actually landing under the platform. Like I said, don't quote me on this, I will need to double-check it but I am 99% sure this is how it works (I remember doing this on BF platforms). You should be able to do it on any platform.

 

[DeLux]

You made the statement that characters can't turn in midair. Literally every character can turn in midair using turn around specials and special reversals. You are wrong.

You said Belay stops working after blizzard because you are slightly desynced.

I have belayed out of charged smashes while desynced. You are wrong.

The sync range is 25 IGUs while belay's range to warp Nana back to you is 70 IGUs. That leaves 45 IGUs where you are desynced but can belay. You are wrong.

Mr. G&W, please stop repeatedly spreading misinformation =/



Nathaniel, it's a property of platform cancelling. You can platform cancel with down specials

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Then explain to me why every stinking time I blizzard in air, I'm still completely on top of, and touching nana, but we don't full recover, there is no tether, we both fall as if seperated.

Only time o recover is if I double jump out of the blizzard, or keep falling for a second.

Go to FD right now, jump off the stage, blizzy, an immediatly use your recovery.

 

[DeLux]

It has nothing to do with sync or desync mechanics. Blizzard, IB, Belay, Squall, Shield drop, hitlag, and ledge options can't be interupted by belay.

I would also theory craft grabs, throws, and taunts also can't be interupted, buut haven't confirmed that with certainty

 

[Mr. game and watch]

That was just my theory, which I thought I stated, but apparantly not.

Where am I gonna get all of this information.
There's not a thread for "every little mechanic of IC's ever discussed at all."

 

[DeLux]

You could ask how things work instead of telling people how things work until you put in the research.

Even now I STILL ask other ICs more questions than anyone else despite how much I know about mechanics

 

[Rubberbandman]

You never ask me anything.

 

[TMSreptiles]

1C3 CL1M83R5
hehe... see what I did there?

 

[Smoom77]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307219

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I whipped out my pocket IC's today against an MK.
Didn't drop the grab once.

Feeeels good.

 

[EverAlert]

You never ask me anything.

It's cause he asks me first!

 

[FrozenHobo]

DeLux, I am not disappoint. You carry on my traditions. makes me feel all warm and tingly inside...