So I guess ICs are "S Tier" now :) / :( ?

[Hylian]

Right. It's good that you don't count playing M2K a lot in the past week. Because most people would, and tbh he is free and can't really be considered actual practice.

Considering I have a ton of extra hours the next few days before I leave (to help afford my 8 day trip to cali), I don't expect to get in much practice. =/

Nah, I only played him for about 1-2 hours in brawl, the rest of the time we played melee, so I probably got worse at brawl from him being here LOL I suck at brawl when I play melee and vise-versa :/. He just slept the rest of the time he was here.

Also by practice I mean practicing my chaingrabs.

 

[Smoom77]

Future of ICCGs

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

Dthrow cg is much easier than I thought...It's too bad it does damage so slowly.

 

[TheSaintKai]

Dthrow cg is much easier than I thought...It's too bad it does damage so slowly.

D-throw > F-throw.
Problem solved. Not only does F-throw do more base damage than D-throw (8 compared to 6), you'll stale both less.

 

[Rubberbandman]

Dthrow cg is much easier than I thought...It's too bad it does damage so slowly.

All of Ice Climbers grabs have bad damage imo, they all do less than 9% iirc.

 

[Smoom77]

Yep, they're all less than 9%.

 

[DeLux]

D-throw > F-throw.
Problem solved. Not only does F-throw do more base damage than D-throw (8 compared to 6), you'll stale both less.

This is partially correct.

Nana's actions don't count towards the stale move queue and at the same time she remains on the same staleness as Popo.

So if you were to Popo dthrow > Nana Fthrow > Repeat

You'd have a stale dthrow with a fresh fthrow.

If you did Popo Dthrow > Nana Fthrow > Popo Fthrow > Nana Dthrow

You'd keep your moves fresher


However, I don't know what the DPS is for each throw specifically and whether it's better to stale one throw and keep fthrow fresh or to attempt to less stale both over the course of the average 16 throws of a CG

 

[ch33s3]

This is partially correct.

Nana's actions don't count towards the stale move queue and at the same time she remains on the same staleness as Popo.

So if you were to Popo dthrow > Nana Fthrow > Repeat

You'd have a stale dthrow with a fresh fthrow.

If you did Popo Dthrow > Nana Fthrow > Popo Fthrow > Nana Dthrow

You'd keep your moves fresher


However, I don't know what the DPS is for each throw specifically and whether it's better to stale one throw and keep fthrow fresh or to attempt to less stale both over the course of the average 16 throws of a CG

And it's also not worth the math to figure out. Just do what's most comfortable, at most it'll add 3 or 4 throws (max) and that's insignificant compared to an increased completion rate.

 

[DeLux]

But Cheese, what if you're equally consistent with all the CGs? For example, I am equally bad with all the CGs. Meaning knowing which one requires the least amount of throws is better. We shouldn't place such a tremendous burden on the player to player judgment when there's an easy technically correct answer


What if you got a grab with 12 seconds left on rainbow cruise?

What if you got a grab as PS1/2 is transforming?

etc etc etc

This stuff matters.

 

[Smoom77]

if you got a grab as PS1/2 is transforming, then you have no hope.

 

[DeLux]

Wrong Smoom, there's a really easy way if you know to time your CGs to keep the CG alive

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Yo, lux may not be a beast, but he is the best at knowing stuff!

 

[Roller]

Wrong Smoom, there's a really easy way if you know to time your CGs to keep the CG alive

Or you could do what I usually do and cg them to the edge first...

But I would like to hear how to time this. And see some pics for additional explanation.

 

[kackamee]

Player-1 is the IC slayer.

I had actually taken him to game 3 and got him to around 60% last stock before I lost. It was a nice accomplishment for me :D

 

[DeLux]

We should bring back the interviews

 

[Teh Future]

ur wrong lux when we played you messed up like:

0% on heavies

50% lightwieght

100% midweights

 

[DeLux]

ur wrong lux when we played you messed up like:

0% on heavies

50% lightwieght

100% midweights

I think I mentioned on numerous occasions in the thread that I had an easier time CGing heavies than I did lights

IDK I was having a really bad CG day. I was confused why I was still in bracket because I was like at about 4pm that day, "I think I'm going to forfeit out because I am so sick". I had 1 or 2 first grab to deaths in bracket out of like 50 grabs that day. In friendlies, I think the only people I consistently CG'd the whole time was your snake and Tmacc's everything but ROB. So many drops against your metaknight on halberd it was sad because I pulled all the anti sharking gimmicks in the world

But now I don't CG the same at all anymore, at least, I'm going to go full tripless next tourney I hit. First Springfield, the StL the week after


Double or Nothing on our "Convert Future back to ICs" MM at OS3?

 

[TheSaintKai]

I had actually taken him to game 3 and got him to around 60% last stock before I lost. It was a nice accomplishment for me :D

Same! Except he had two stocks. For some reason, don't let him take you to Yoshi's.
Also, we're perfectly capable of winning on FD right? I'm not crazy, am I?

 

[Mr. game and watch]

FD is arguably oh best stage

 

[TheSaintKai]

FD is arguably oh best stage

But it's also Diddy's second best. Arguably. People argue for SV because he can control almost the entire stage because it's smaller.
So I was wondering if Diddy @ FD was a good idea. I thought it was.

 

[ch33s3]

But it's also Diddy's second best. Arguably. People argue for SV because he can control almost the entire stage because it's smaller.
So I was wondering if Diddy @ FD was a good idea. I thought it was.

I prefer to fight Diddy with platforms, makes it easier to punish banana pulls.

 

[Smoom77]

The only place I've beaten Gnes is SV...so I'm not really sure where I like Diddy best.

 

[kackamee]

I don't like fighting Diddy's on FD. I usually just aerial camp there.
It may just be me, but I like BF the most against Diddy.
I don't mind SV but I play pretty campy there against Diddy also.

 

[TheSaintKai]

I'm so BAWS that I counterpicked Player-1 there...after he beat me there. x)
LIKE A BAWS.
but nah, BF just allows him to pull some shenanigans with insta-throwing in my opinion. SV, I feel like I can't escape. x) Just no room.

Contradicting opinions must agree to disagree, I suppose.

 

[Hylian]

Practiced all day, I'm not going to place well at Genesis lol I'm so much worse than I used to be :/. Oh well going to be fun either way .

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Funs all that counts! :3
Come on hylian, you'll do good.
Second best icies ever, better hope you do some good at genesis!
Otherwise out character is hopeless.
So the fate of our character relies on your bracket placing.




No pressure.

 

[ch33s3]

I haven't touched CG practice in over a month, and I'm going to **** at Genesis. Also Hylian, are we partying one night?

 

[Roller]

I am partying erry night. (except maybe Thursday) Also. I cp diddys to YI. The platform coverage over like 80% of the stage is sick.

 

[Hylian]

I'm up to party. We'll see .


We should post our pools:

Havok(MK/Snake/Marth)
Hylian
Weruop(Olimar)
Koga(????)
gtKarma(????)

Anyone know the other two characters?

 

[Smoom77]

You should definitely be able to take out Havok.

 

[Hylian]

I know but I was better at whobo than I am now so we'll see :/. I'm just there to have fun either way .

Gonna try my best regardless though.

 

[kackamee]

You got atleast 2nd in your pool. Do work mah friend.

 

[ch33s3]

Kismet (MK/Falco)
Iktomi (Lucario/Snake/MK?)
Corimon (?)
Goku (?)
Superboom (Snake)

Help me out if you know better.

 

[Roller]

TKD (fox)
Auto (is getting moved out of my pool, unfortunately. He's a pika.)
Kiraflax (Pit/ROB) Which do you think he will use? If ROB, I need advice, and I may go pika..
Dragoomba (no idea, help)
Jamnt0ast (ROB) Again, I need help vs ROB, a lot of help. I literally never play any...

 

[DeLux]

TKD (fox)
Auto (is getting moved out of my pool, unfortunately. He's a pika.)
Kiraflax (Pit/ROB) Which do you think he will use? If ROB, I need advice, and I may go pika..
Dragoomba (no idea, help)
Jamnt0ast (ROB) Again, I need help vs ROB, a lot of help. I literally never play any...

TKD also has a pretty decent metaknight, keep that in mind

Automatic is legit dude and I hope he does well

Kir would go ROB against you if he knows you play ICs. Double blind him there too. He's ROB is GOOD at the ICs matchup. He beat me in tourney, although to be fair I Johned of the Ice Climber him AND I'm bad at the ROB matchup. I could beat his pit with ICs though

IDK who the other two are



ROB matchup:

Unless you're good at landing and out of shield desyncing options, you're going to want to play this matchup super synced. And even IF you can do those two, which IDK any other IC but me that uses those, it's still debatable if desyncing helps at all and probably would only hurt you.

Kir likes to Bair into your shield if it's low because I swear that move shield pokes every time. He also Dsmashes much less than any other ROB I have every played, and I've played an extensive list of ROBs, so if you're looking to capitalize on desperation dsmashes, you won't get them from him. Your best bet is to try to bait that bair into you and IPG it. That's how I got my grabs unless I was able to shield grab it.

If they laser or gyro, you should be able to counter that with a synced squall as long as you're not obvious every time. If you pick up gyro, keep it because a gyro on the ground blocks the entire IB game from occurring. Hold it, bait a laser, and then go into desync mode to force them above you.

Ftilt has stupidly good range, and so does dtilt while being fast.

If separated, ROB has that wall of pain, but most of the moves that hit you won't separate. The only moves that you really need to worry about being separated by is Dsmash and Nair. Fortunately you can see Nair coming a mile away, but it has kill potential and a weird hitbox. Dsmash is fast, usually comes after a landing or a spot dodge, but you can DI out of it up like a pikachu Dsmash only it's slightly harder.

Blizzarding them while they are on the ledge makes them run out of fuel or at least makes them commit to going far offstage and back to recover. ROB has a major blindspot beneath him, so it's uair city

 

[Roller]

Thanks Lux! I'll keep all that stuff in mind. And yeah, I'm expecting to get TKD's MK or Marth. But I have an idea of what I'm doing in those mu's. Going to sleep now, flight in the morning. See you other ICs going there, wish me luck!

 

[DeLux]

Oh, Kir is also a violent as hell masher lol

Like startling level of violent

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Yay rob mu help!
There's a rob in my reigon who ate up my jiggly.
Wanna try and go icies if I play him again.
I'm going through tourney withdrawl.
I'm trying to host one...

 

[Smoom77]

Also to add, almost everything they hit your shield with is nair-able. Ftilt, dtilt, dsmash, fair, whatever. Nair is really important in this matchup.

 

[Roller]

^ I would not have known that. Thanks. Anything else that I should be punishing with something specific?