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So I guess ICs are "S Tier" now :) / :( ?

Smoom77

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ICs boards are so dead...

please come talk in here!

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Stealth Raptor

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... im a pikachu, im talking from the pikachu side, i hate this matchup with a passion. ics i have played: Lux, Fino, Hylian. the first two can two stock me in friendlies and hylian has personally three stocked me in tourney, so i have a seconday i use vs ics LOL
 

ch33s3

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Why do you say ZSS is +1? And Toonlink? What exp do you have against them?
I've played Snakeee countless times, and Nick Riddle once (inb4loldq). ZSS can only really zone with sideb, and if you running double powershield (easy with practice) that option is gone, and you get a free grab. As long as you don't get above her, she's in trouble. She can't box at all, so once you get in, you're golden.

I've played tons and tons of TLs (Jash, KT, MJG, shadow1pj, etc). The only times I've lost is when I get timed out because I'm sloppy with bombs or drop grabs. It's really all about not being hit by bombs, catching them, and throwing them back. Uairing bombs is a positive trade as well. As long as you don't fall drastically behind, you should be able to maintain a lead and win either via timeout, or beating their eventual forced approaches (which we have tons of options against, I'm sure I needn't explain how it easy it is to beat a TL that has to approach lol).
 

Hylian

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You're either insane, or don't play good MKs.
I think Snake does better against IC's than MK does >_>. I think he does better on the neutrals against IC's and 2/3 of the matches are played on neutrals usually.
 

ch33s3

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I think Snake does better against IC's than MK does >_>. I think he does better on the neutrals against IC's and 2/3 of the matches are played on neutrals usually.
Even if Snake did better than MK on neutrals (which I'm not buying), MK still gets a literal free win on the CP, which Snake does not. That alone makes MK INFINITELY worse.
 

Smoom77

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The free win on the CP does not affect the set count. If he's CPing you, that means that you won the first match.

This all leads back to the pointless argument of "Whoever wins the first game wins the set" of the MK matchup. If that is what changes the MU for you...ucrazybro.

Anyways, doesn't matter which is worse. Both aren't great.
 

Myollnir

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Anyway, staying ICs when MK counterpicks a gay stage is almost suicide.
And when I'm talking about ICs' matchups, I don't care about the CPs.
 

ch33s3

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Smoom, MK is capable of winning on our CP. We are not capable of winning on his. How does that not affect the MU?

Myollnir, by that theory let's just assume every game is on FD and we +3 the whole cast!
 

Blissard

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It's funny how the character board MU threads are so different from the Backroom MU threads.

Also hello guys. This thread definately wasn't this active last time I was here.
 

Mr. game and watch

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Uhh again arguing points on hylian. I mean sure we could all be wrong... Dudes in all 3 back rooms and... I forgot what all look at the photo album of badges by his name! Hylian you ever come back to Texas for any phases?
 

Sieguest

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Uhh again arguing points on hylian. I mean sure we could all be wrong... Dudes in all 3 back rooms and... I forgot what all look at the photo album of badges by his name! Hylian you ever come back to Texas for any phases?
You sir have committed the logical fallacy of appealing to an authority.

If my math teacher says 2+2=5, does that mean he is right?
 

B0NK

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You sir have committed the logical fallacy of appealing to an authority.

If my math teacher says 2+2=5, does that mean he is right?
Yes because your math teacher is clearly referencing a Radiohead song.
 

Hylian

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Lol I don't think everyone should agree with me, nothing wrong with discussion.
 
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