Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Well I did good and bad at the same time. =/
Good news, I beat gimr. Bad news, I lost to a random.
/shame
Good news, I beat gimr. Bad news, I lost to a random.
/shame
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So I guess ICs are "S Tier" now :) / :( ?
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Sieguest
Smash Master
People and their brawl ups and downs. X_X lul
B0NK
Smash Lord
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Lol @ this guy calling my brother's (SOVAman's) D3 a random.
Dude has definitely has been more active in the scene longer than you.
Yeah guys, D3 vs IC's is sooooo bad for D3, amirite?
SOVAman
Smash Hero
A random? lol
I am pretty sure I ***** you, so you can be the "random"
/shame on you
A D3!!!!11
Vinnie
Smash Master
SOVAMAN IS NOT A RANDOM!!! He actually taught me everything I know about this game!
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Bro, not talking about you. Last stock last hit **** mad legit. I need to stop sucking in the punishment with pivot grabs department
I lost to someone worse though.
/shame
SOVAman
Smash Hero
hmmm, kk
SOVAman
Smash Hero
I am SOVAman, but you already knew that
meepxzero
Smash Master
D3 vs IC is even. Ive taught Coney what to do so imma laugh if he plays any OOS ice climbers and you are wondering why ur losing a supposed 65:35 mu. Pro D3 players are aggro and do hard reads with their character relying on their shield. We completely shut off their regular way of playing MUs cuz of our character. This is why they dont play this match up with their main anymore.
When both people know what to do in the MU it becomes a waiting game on who can make a mistake with DDD at an advantage because of a far superior grab range. If d3 buffers any throws its a garenteed throw because of invincibility frames and the fact his throws do knock back to those next to him. If they know nanas patterns its even easier to kill her.
Im too tired to explain the MU more. D3 has tools to make it even, but most D3s dont know what they are doing in the MU.
When both people know what to do in the MU it becomes a waiting game on who can make a mistake with DDD at an advantage because of a far superior grab range. If d3 buffers any throws its a garenteed throw because of invincibility frames and the fact his throws do knock back to those next to him. If they know nanas patterns its even easier to kill her.
Im too tired to explain the MU more. D3 has tools to make it even, but most D3s dont know what they are doing in the MU.
kackamee
Smash Master
I usually agree that some matchups aren't played correctly, and if they were they would be considered even or something, but IC's vs. DDD isn't exactly one of them. I mean, it's not like the only thing DDD can do is sit there. But there truly is only so much he can do in this MU.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
I dont think D3 gets completely ***** in the MU, but I do think its in Icies favor. 6-4 at the most.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Sorry, I don't agree with your ratio, though I agree with what you said mostly, I think it's 6:4, and 55:45 on Frigate.
I was bored http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0y-N-b0koQ
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Did anybody make any chaingrabbing videos with the Fusion glitch? I couldn't find any, which is why I made the vid. I'm also currently researching the Fusion glitch, its pros and cons.
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, I did a bunch of research on fusion as well when it was big. I've got a plethora of fusion vids including chaingrabs and other various tricks that you can do if you'd like to see. Get on the Skype if you wanna hear anything I've got on it.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Link me to your youtube.
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
I don't have them up on youtube. They're on my computer though, so I'll get them up there and link you then.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
I think fusion is great tbh, as long as you don't let nana get grabbed, just play mad safe vs Falco or Pika and your good. Also, yellow pikmen fsmash can cause fusion also.
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, it's been able to be recreated the easiest through primarily "electric" based attacks like pikachu's tjolt, yellow pikmen, falco and wolf's lasers, but someone was able to do it with nado. But yeah, it's pretty different in the sense that it's like you're playing with only sopo, trying not to get hit, because at a certain percent, almost anything will cause nana to go into her freefall state. But the things you can do with desyncs are incredible. Like being able to jump while nana is holding them. Cg'ing is odd, but possible.
I think the main problem somes along when nana goes into her freefall. It's eventually going to happen and when it does, people will start teleporting, there'll probably be a movement to ban fusion or rules on it, like getting rid of your stock to prevent the teleporting.
I think the main problem somes along when nana goes into her freefall. It's eventually going to happen and when it does, people will start teleporting, there'll probably be a movement to ban fusion or rules on it, like getting rid of your stock to prevent the teleporting.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Why should it be banned, its not like these occurences are random right? It's the players fault for throwing out an electric move for starting the fusion in the first place.
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
But it teleports people underneath the stage lol.
That could easily be classified as a game changing glitch.
Though, people don't know that once they teleport, they have 4 (or 5?) more jumps (which will be footstool jumps) that they can do under the stage to get to a position to where they can use their recovery, which will be easy to edge guard.
That could easily be classified as a game changing glitch.
Though, people don't know that once they teleport, they have 4 (or 5?) more jumps (which will be footstool jumps) that they can do under the stage to get to a position to where they can use their recovery, which will be easy to edge guard.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
uh.... but they teleport to the same spot usually right?
It's there fault for shooting lasers at you lol, I think since its the falco players choice to use lasers or not, that it shouldn't be banned.
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
Nah, you can teleport them to different spots depending on which side Nana "falls" from and your location on the stage. So if they double jump at a certain point if the stage, you can put them almost at the center of the bottom of the stage, an impossible place for falco or wolf to make it back from, even with the 4 extra footstools + recovery.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Talk to me on AIM please, I want to know more, I'm currently testing stuff as we speak.
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
I don't have aim on my school cpu right now, which is why I suggested skype, but I'll just use a 3rd party site like meebo for now. My aim is bandxaid702. IM me when you read this.
EDIT: NVM, the proxy blocks meebo =/
I'll have to bring in a copy of my aim setup from home tomorrow.
I still have skype though.
EDIT: NVM, the proxy blocks meebo =/
I'll have to bring in a copy of my aim setup from home tomorrow.
I still have skype though.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
You don't need to talk lol. Why not just use the general text im feature on it?
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
What's you're skype name so I can add you to the IC chat
My bad, thought I used the edit button ><
My bad, thought I used the edit button ><
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
VexKasrani
GimR
GimR, Co-Founder of VGBootCamp
look, the only way for people to appear under the stage is if Nana gos into her "OW I'm Floating in Mid-air" animation. And then when anyone double jumps they appear under the stage which is LOL.I think you may have to foot stool her when she's in this animation)
This hasn't been banned at most tournies :D
Things it's possible to Fuse off of from my research:
Falco's Laser
Pikachu's T-Volt
MK's Tornado
Olimar's Grab Pummel(I have no Idea how I did this)
To me it seems like you can fuse off of any attack that gives low hit stun but it's just easier to do it when the attack has more hit lag(electrical attacks) because I think the fusion occurs when you Side-B with Nana whilst she is in hitlag. I think if a move has low enough hit stun you can cancel her hitlag and fuse. If it has too much hit stun I don't think you can cancel her hitlag and she'll go flying off. this is just a theory though.
To me it seems we could fuse off of weak jabs f-tilts, etc.
fusing would greatly help Ice climbers in teams where as you can hit double as hard with every attack yet not be afraid of Nana getting separated.
This hasn't been banned at most tournies :D
Things it's possible to Fuse off of from my research:
Falco's Laser
Pikachu's T-Volt
MK's Tornado
Olimar's Grab Pummel(I have no Idea how I did this)
To me it seems like you can fuse off of any attack that gives low hit stun but it's just easier to do it when the attack has more hit lag(electrical attacks) because I think the fusion occurs when you Side-B with Nana whilst she is in hitlag. I think if a move has low enough hit stun you can cancel her hitlag and fuse. If it has too much hit stun I don't think you can cancel her hitlag and she'll go flying off. this is just a theory though.
To me it seems we could fuse off of weak jabs f-tilts, etc.
fusing would greatly help Ice climbers in teams where as you can hit double as hard with every attack yet not be afraid of Nana getting separated.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
It could also hurt teams because teleport glitch could **** your partner as well as the enemy.
meepxzero
Smash Master
vex its ban worthy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRUbGbeLag0
i cant imagine a falco getting outta that situation tho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRUbGbeLag0
i cant imagine a falco getting outta that situation tho
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
I saw it, he died because he double jumped, also the fact he CHOSE to shoot jolts at you, and he could have recovered also lol. its not ban worthy til proven so lul.vex its ban worthy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRUbGbeLag0
i cant imagine a falco getting outta that situation tho
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
I just showed him that a minute ago meep. That was hilarious. :D