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That is fair.I think it should be the series that is the historical predecessor and not the character itself, imo.
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That is fair.I think it should be the series that is the historical predecessor and not the character itself, imo.
Knight & Ostrich (Joust)
Knight & Ostrich are the predecessor to one of Smash's most recurring non-playable series: Balloon Fight. In gameplay they would be a unique steed-bound swordfigher-heavyweight with a good air game. The Knight's sword wouldn't be used for heavy slashes as much as graceful fences, while the Ostrich's bird claws would handle the heavy duty attacks. There could also be egg laying, or even an egg shield like Yoshi's given that knights hatch from eggs in Joust. In Joust 2 the Ostrich can transform into a pegasus, but I'm not sure if that could be implimented.
K&O's extra content such as Spirits, music, and even the stage could comprise of content from other Bally-Midway-developed arcade games such as Rampage, Defender, Gauntlet, Smash TV, Paperboy, NBA Jam, and - of course - Mortal Kombat.
Hee Ho!
Jack Frost makes Smash Bros cool!
Hee Whoo is Jack Frost?
Jack Frost is the mascot of the Shin Megami Tensei series and Atlus in general who has a tendency to say "Hee Ho." And fun fact to some of you: Atlus developed Persona! Persona is even a spinoff of the Shin Megami Tensei series! Anyway, Jack Frost is an enemy who has appeared in every Shin Megami Tensei game to date (SMT). Jack Frost's popularity has even gotten him TWO games, with Jack Bros on the Virtual Boy and Synchronity Prologue, a limited edition game for PC. Jack Frost has several versions of him, including King Frost, Black Frost, Demonee-ho, and Frost Ace, all of which can be included in his moveset in some way (but we get there when we get there!)
Hee How would Jack Frost play?
Keeping it simple: Jack Frost would use ice spells and various other skills in his arsenal, as well as using his different forms. He could even summon certain Demons from the SMT series for certain attacks!
Why should Jack Frost get in, ho?
Jack Frost could not only be a representative of Atlus, but also a representative of SMT and Persona. SMT is the original series, but Persona is more popular, so why not add a character who appears in both games? And also, Jack Frost is a true neutral in the alignment chart, something we have very little of. Overall, Jack Frost is very deserving of a spot, so be sure to vote for him!
Repurposing my writeup for the Smash Bros AU, SMT is a historical predecessor to Pokémon.
Job about historical predecessor characters:
Doom Guy (DOOM)
Doom Guy is character from DOOM Series. He is Space Marine that kills Demons in Hell, on Earth and in Space (On Mars ironically). He debuted on PCs, while being made by ID Software and later he was acquired by Bethesda.
He is Iconic VG character and he would use DOOM ETERNAL Design (albeit with some DOOM 2016 due to fact that DLC was planned in 2018) to promote Doom Eternal game that was in 2019, but it was delayed to 2020.
DOOM is historical predecessor to Metroid Prime, which are both FPS Games in VG History.
If he was Included in Smash, he could use moveset from DOOM games like Shotgun as Side Smash or Meat Hook as Up B. He could be Heavyweight character with Crawl Ability. His Final Smash could be BFG 9000 and he could evaporate all fighter with that Final Smash.
I nominate my DOOM Slayer, because he could be historical predecessor to Metroid Prime, which is metroid actually. He could be Iconic addition to smash, which he could bring a lot of DOOM fans to Smash.
Question: Is DOOM Slayer eligible? Because I submitted him for Historical predecessor of Metroid Prime, which are both FPS games. So Doom Slayer is Allowed or not?
Don't know if this counts as super "historical" but it's definitely a precursor
Dante
The main protagnist of the Devil May Cry series. The son of a demon lord, Dante is a wise cracking demon hunter for hire. Armed with his sword Rebellion and his guns Ebony and Ivory. Dante could have a real fun moveset, incorporating the style changes from the DMC series. The series birthed the fast paced action combat that would later be used by Platinum games, most notably Bayonetta. I think a character shown at E3 should be a fan favorite, which Dante definitely qualifies as.
Hmm... let's get unusual.
Space Harrier (Sega)
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Whilst not explicitly confirmed to have inspired the specific series, Space Harrier is an intensely important title in the history of the Rail Shooter genre, and the most notable Smash example of that would be Star Fox (which did of course release after Space Harrier, with the latter releasing in 1985 compared to Star Fox's 1993 release). My argument here is that it works, to a lesser extent, in a similar vein to how 1993's DOOM inspired pretty much the entire FPS genre since then - Space Harrier can be seen as having almost invented a large genre of its own that predates FPS.
As a result, I think it would be quite interesting to see him here - not to mention, he's an interesting pick as a retro SEGA rep, and an arcade character - giving him a surprising amount of history, as well as various different titles to represent in different ways (Fantasy Zone springs to mind, but also other classic SEGA arcade titles such as Hang-On and Outrun.)
In terms of basic gameplay, I imagine he's a lightweight, aerially-based zoner of sorts, though happens to be relatively slow on the ground and has a lot of lag on his attacks. This means that in the right hands, he can be pretty dangerous to deal with - but, he's a bit of a glass cannon in that he struggles with comboes and the like.
For visual design, I think it would be a good idea to create a Smash Original design, based primarily on his classic design with some more modern touches - an idea springing to mind being his appearance on the box art of the first SEGA 3D Classics Collection. However, it might be a good idea to include design aspects from other titles and the like, as well as a fresh coat of paint in the Smash style.
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Vote for your top 3. You may vote your own as #2 or #3.John Smith
Why go for a historical predecessor for one character when you can go for a historical predecessor for the entire game? John Smith is from the Outfoxies, which is the first platform fighter ever. What he lacks in uniqueness, he makes up for in his variety of weapons. He would fight using guns, rocket launchers, flame throwers, fruit baskets, and swords, like in his home game. And if he got in, it would just be full circle.
Fair enough. I suppose if something from SMTV was revealed as early as that, it's fair game, but anything that wasn't shown off by then has a chance of not having been fully developed yet.Jack Frost's SMT V design was revealed in 2019 at SEGA Fes, iirc. I think that could work. I think we could pull a Luigi and give him that design.
The Toad Mii Costume gives female Miis a vest, though I have no clue what you could give DF to censor his female versions.Smashboards wasn't notifying me. Can't say I'm an SMT except but I do have some ideas.
Costumes:
Wanted to include Demi-Feind but he's pretty much always shirtless and that is a no go for Mii costumes.
- Mothman (Hat. Brawler)
- Flynn (Swordsman)
- Raidou Kuzunoha (Swordsman.)
- Joker (Gunner.)
- Teddy (Hat. Brawler.)
- Alis Landale (Pantasy Star. Swordsman.)
Might do Spirits tomorrow.
Smashboards wasn't notifying me. Can't say I'm an SMT except but I do have some ideas.
Costumes:
Wanted to include Demi-Feind but he's pretty much always shirtless and that is a no go for Mii costumes.
- Mothman (Hat. Brawler)
- Flynn (Swordsman)
- Raidou Kuzunoha (Swordsman.)
- Joker (Gunner.)
- Teddy (Hat. Brawler.)
- Alis Landale (Pantasy Star. Swordsman.)
Might do Spirits tomorrow.
Maybe redesign the tattoos to cover those areas?The Toad Mii Costume gives female Miis a vest, though I have no clue what you could give DF to censor his female versions.
Tbh I'm fine with my current line up. We have a protag. A popular spin off character. A demon. Some persona rep and another classic Sega RPG rep.The Toad Mii Costume gives female Miis a vest, though I have no clue what you could give DF to censor his female versions.
And we have Protag, a popular Spinoff character and Persona Rep.Tbh I'm fine with my current line up. We have a protag. A popular spin off character. A demon. Some persona rep and another classic Sega RPG rep.
Yours doesn't actually have a mainline protagnist. It's a great lineup though!And we have Protag, a popular Spinoff character and Persona Rep.
We have also chads like Puyo Puyo character, Modern SEGA character and Classic Shooter Sega Character.
Thanks. At least it has tribute to SEGA's 80's Era, where Space Harrier dominated the Arcades.Yours doesn't actually have a mainline protagnist. It's a great lineup though!
Pixie Class: ✩ Novice Type: Grab Equip: Primary (2 slots) Trait: Can Be Enhanced at Lv. 99 (into High Pixie)
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High Pixie Class: ✩✩ Advanced Type: Grab Equip: Primary (2 slots) Skill: Autoheal | |
Mothman Class: ✩ Novice Type: Shield Equip: Support (cost 1) Skill: Electric Attack ↑
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Pyro Jack Class: ✩ Novice Type: Attack Equip: Support (cost 1) Skill: Fire & Explosion Attack ↑
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Matador Class: ✩✩ Advanced Type: Grab Equip: Primary (3 slots) Trait: Sword Attack ↑
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Surt Class: ✩✩ Advanced Type: Attack Equip: Primary (0 slots) Trait: Fire Attack ↑
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Beelzebub Class: ✩✩✩ Ace Type: Neutral Equip: Support (cost 2) Skill: Giant
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Metatron Class: ✩✩✩ Ace Type: Shield Equip: Primary (1 slot) Trait: Weight ↑
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Jack Frost Family Class: ✩✩✩ Ace Type: Shield Equip: Support (cost 2) Skill: Ice-Floor Immunity
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Lucifer Class: ✩✩✩✩ Legend Type: Attack Equip: Support (cost 2) Skill: Instant KO (Forward smash attacks may instantly KO opponents at high percent.)
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Smashboards wasn't notifying me. Can't say I'm an SMT except but I do have some ideas.
Costumes:
Wanted to include Demi-Feind but he's pretty much always shirtless and that is a no go for Mii costumes.
- Mothman (Hat. Brawler)
- Flynn (Swordsman)
- Raidou Kuzunoha (Swordsman.)
- Joker (Gunner.)
- Teddy (Hat. Brawler.)
- Alis Landale (Pantasy Star. Swordsman.)
Might do Spirits tomorrow.
Spirit VoteMy costume Submittions:
(3 are based on SMT stuff and other 3 are based on SEGA properties)
- Joker (Gunner)
- Raidou Kuzunoha (Swordfighter)
- Teddy (Hat)
- Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo) (Brawler)
- Beat (Jet Set Radio) (Brawler)
- Space Harrier (Deluxe Costume) (Gunner)
As I said I am in no way an SMT expert but I like this thread and want it to continue
- Pyro Jack (Advanced. Fighter: Ness. )
- Moth Man (Novice. Fighter: Invisible Ridley)
- Pixie (Novie Fighter: Tiny Jigglypuff.)
- Decarabia (Advanced. Fighter: Kirby.)
- Cu Chulainn (Ace. Fighter: Simon.)
- Demonee-Ho (Advanced. Fighter: Snake)
- Alice (Ace. Fighter: Blue Zelda.)
- Masakado (Legend. Fighter: Robin)
- Mastema (Ace. Fighter: Dark Pit. )
- Lucifer (Ace. Fighter: Ganondorf)
- Protagonist (Novice. Fighter: Link)
- Aleph (Advanced. Fighter: Young Link.)
- Demi-Feind (Advanced. Fighter: Shulk.)
- Flynn (Advanced. Fighter: Marth. Will use the Flynn Mii instead if the user owns it*)
I really tried to do a table with images but I'm on mobile and also extremely dumb.
Credit to this Source Gaming video for inspiration for the spirits .
*Doesn't apply if my mii costume submission loses obviously.
Jack Frost Spirit Board Submission
Details/formatting will be added over time.
- Pixie
- Tiny blue Palutena x6, purple Jack Frost (only uses Pixie)
- Distant Planet Ω, Battle - Shin Megami Tensei
- Novice, Primary
- Enhances into High Pixie
- Advanced, Magic Attack ↑
- Mothman
- Green Dark Samus, green Jack Frost (only uses Mothman)
- Gaur Plain Ω, Normal Battle
- Novice, Support
- Energy-Shot Attack ↑
- Pyro Jack
- Orange Kirby, orange Jack Frost (only uses Pyro Jack)
- Dracula's Castle, Boss Battle - Shin Megami Tensei if...
- Novice, Support
- Fire & Explosion Attack ↑
- Matador
- Green Marth
- Find Mii Ω, Fiend
- Advanced, Primary
- Sword Attack ↑
- Surt
- Giant red Roy
- Kalos Pokemon League fire, Light/Neutral Battle Theme
- Advanced, Primary
- Fire Attack ↑
- Beelzebub
- Giant black King K. Rool
- Brinstar Depths Ω, Last Boss Battle After Transformation
- Ace, Support
- Giant
- Metatron
- Giant metal white Pit
- Palutena's Temple Ω, Battle - F7 (Existence of All Things)
- Ace, Primary
- Weight ↑
- Jack Frost Family
- Black, orange, gray, green, and yellow Jack Frosts
- Summit Battlefield, Battle - C1
- Ace, Primary
- Lucifer
- Giant green Ganondorf
- Final Destination, Final Battle
- Legend, Support
- Instant KO (All smash attacks may instantly KO opponents like Death's Scythe)