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I’m more impressed with how Viridi and Knuckles were more requested than Chrom and Tails
I'm more impressed by how Bayonetta was more requested than Cloud and Ridley. Of course, this hardly says anything about the overall popularity of the characters, but still nice to see her so up there.
 
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I'm more impressed by how Bayonetta was more requested than Cloud and Ridley. Of course, this hardly says anything about the overall popularity of the characters.
Bayo being more requested than Ridley I’m not surprised with (but only due to the whole “too big” and boss/stage hazard role he’s had for the last two home console games (Man was too big to have anything in the 3DS version). Cloud I can’t say much of since I ain’t a FF person so idk
Really? I'm surprised Chrom has so many fans, I've always thought him boring personality-wise, not to mention his visual characteristics are already covered by other Fire Emblem characters. Viridi sounds infinitely more interesting as a fighter, and also fills a design hole in the Smash roster (women of small stature). Knuckles also seems better suited for fighting than Tails in my opinion, and I'd say Sakurai (or his team) agrees with me seeing as one is an Assist Trophy and the other isn't!
Kinda had a feeling that Viridi wouldn’t have been as requested with the whole “Sakurai/Kid Icarus bias” going on at the time, and assumed Tails would’ve been more requested since he’s the 2nd most important Sonic character (and 3rd most popular)
 

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Unless Geno is going to be an echo, I don’t see why we’re comparing his popularity or obscurity to Richter. The popularity qualification for unique newcomers and echo characters are very much different.
How even he be an echo in the first place?

I've always been surprised how much fans he has, I'm neutral towards him, I didn't play Mario RPG to know much about him.
 
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Red (a Smash speculation YouTuber) did an excellent job breaking down why we should expect Minecraft Steve-
Stuff like this makes me realise that the potential leaking of steve has honestly benefitted the community more than anything else, i've seen most people now basically making videos like this which basically go let's be frank, you should have seen this coming and now I see that while some people are still being grumpy, most have gotten a lot more postive about his inclusion to the game, including me tbh. People would have been MAD if he was the final reveal and no one was prepared, now everyone's gotten a good hit and told they were stupid for thinking steve would never ever happen, most people are looking at the good parts of his possible inclusion
 

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I like how everyone (even official promotional materials) still use the old Steve render from before the game officially released lol. The Minecraft pre-release period is still way more memorable than the full game, for whatever reason.
 

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I like how everyone (even official promotional materials) still use the old Steve render from before the game officially released lol. The Minecraft pre-release period is still way more memorable than the full game, for whatever reason.
That's when most of us here and in the smash community probably played minecraft, back then it was seen as the new creative indie hit and not the kids only game it is considered now, hence why most people who play smash still refer to the 2011/2012 era minecraft stuff when looking at the game.

EDIT: God damn is minecraft an old game, next year will be the 10th anniversary of the original browser version of minecraft
 
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I’m more impressed with how Viridi and Knuckles were more requested than Chrom and Tails
I want Tails so bad avgdfhjj. He deserves it more than Knuckles since he's literally Sonic's Luigi and is arguably the second most iconic Sonic character. If we were to get Knuckles over him, I'd be very surprised. If we get Shadow as a unique over him, I'll be surprised too. I just feel like Tails deserves to come next if we get another original Sonic character (if not, Eggman or Shadow).
 
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"The entire CV community!" That's vague. Any citations? In comparison, here's Sakurai's statement: "I'd imagine that there were a lot of people that went "huh?! Who's Richter?" too. I'd be happy if those people become more familiar with the character through Smash Ultimate."

https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-smash-bros-ultimate-newest-fighter-reveals-modes-and-more/

And in comparison:

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https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016...ans-one-most-requested-smash-bros-characters/

Huge difference. Even talking about the characters, Sakurai addresses that Geno is old but popular while the main takeaway with his comments on Richter are not a lot of people know who he is in the grand scheme of things. Keep in mind that Sakurai is also a man with such a huge video game collection that he regularly comments on that he's kind of embarrassed about it.

http://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/interview/shuno_sakurai

So what we have here is not only the director of Smash, who is constantly bombarded with character requests and knows who people are asking for more than anyone else, but also an avid video game collector make definitive statements on this topic. Again, very poor hill to die on.
 

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All you people following "Nihilist Theory" are frauds. The REAL Nihilist Theory is that Sakurai will turn "Today's Character" into "Today's CUT Character", writing his Famitsu column about how he hates every popular character from Isaac to Geno to Thwomp, cancels Smash Ultimate once every character is cut, destroys every copy of every Smash game himself, and then rips the universe in half with his bare hands, killing everyone.

Your "Nihilist" theory is sunshine and rainbows. At lease there's 2 more new characters in your theory.
 
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I mean, as someone who had never played FFVII (and still haven’t gotten around to beating it), seeing all the hype got me interested in the game, and I made a note to buy it as soon as I got a PS4.

Beyond Brawl getting me and many others to expand their horizons on Nintendo games (really only played Mario and Pokémon beforehand), many of the Smash 4 and Ultimate reveals got me to try out different games.

- Villager got me to pick up New Leaf.
- Shulk got me to pick up my unfinished copy of Xenoblade.
- Snake’s return in Ultimate got me to pick up a copy of the originals MGS (would’ve loved to actually buy it on the PS4 and given Konami my money, but they don’t do that so I got a used copy for my PS1).
- Simon and Richter gave me interested in Castlevania, and I’m going to pick up that Requiem collection for my PS4.
- Even just the idea of Skull Kid being a possibility got me to my second run of Majora’s Mask 3D.

Character’s being announced for Smash definitley get people interested in their games, even if they couldn’t have cared less beforehand.

How many people here knew what a Fire Emblem was before playing Smash?
I never knew what Fire Emblem was before Melee and Marth was my favorite between him and Roy. But yeah, I’ll also be picking up that Castlevania Requiem Collection next month, as I never got the chance to play SotN or Rondo of Blood back in the day.:)
 

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I want Tails so bad avgdfhjj. He deserves it more than Knuckles since he's literally Sonic's Luigi and is arguably the second most iconic Sonic character. If we were to get Knuckles over him, I'd be very surprised. If we get Shadow as a unique over him, I'll be surprised too. I just feel like Tails deserves to come next if we get another original Sonic character (if not, Eggman or Shadow).
You know what would be fun? Having Sonic series representation reflect Mario's, like this:

Protagonist: Mario/Sonic
Sidekick: Luigi/Tails
Rival: Wario/Shadow
Assist Rival: Waluigi/Knuckles
Nemesis: Bowser/Eggman
 

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You know what would be fun? Having Sonic series representation reflect Mario's, like this:

Protagonist: Mario/Sonic
Sidekick: Luigi/Tails
Rival: Wario/Shadow
Assist Rival: Waluigi/Knuckles
Nemesis: Bowser/Eggman
That's the dream for sure. Tails as unique, Shadow as echo, Knuckles is an assist trophy (duh), and Eggman as a boss in Spirits.
 

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You know what would be fun? Having Sonic series representation reflect Mario's, like this:

Protagonist: Mario/Sonic
Sidekick: Luigi/Tails
Rival: Wario/Shadow
Assist Rival: Waluigi/Knuckles
Nemesis: Bowser/Eggman
*Peach and Amy cries in distance*
 

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Recent comments on Isabelle make me feel even stronger that Tails was shafted. Him and Shadow are probably equally popular but Shadow would be significantly easier to make into an echo than Tails into a semi-clone. Plus Shadow is basically Dark Sonic if we're totally honest on his characterization and we already have two Dark echos as a frame of reference. Having Mario and Luigi and assumingly Ryu and Ken but not Sonic and Tails just feels wrong.
 

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Stuff like this makes me realise that the potential leaking of steve has honestly benefitted the community more than anything else, i've seen most people now basically making videos like this which basically go let's be frank, you should have seen this coming and now I see that while some people are still being grumpy, most have gotten a lot more postive about his inclusion to the game, including me tbh. People would have been MAD if he was the final reveal and no one was prepared, now everyone's gotten a good hit and told they were stupid for thinking steve would never ever happen, most people are looking at the good parts of his possible inclusion
 
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You know what would be fun? Having Sonic series representation reflect Mario's, like this:

Protagonist: Mario/Sonic
Sidekick: Luigi/Tails
Rival: Wario/Shadow
Assist Rival: Waluigi/Knuckles
Nemesis: Bowser/Eggman
that's not even half of mario's representation, we need to go even further beyond with sonic representation and add amy, cream, robotnik, silver and that crocodile that looks cool
 

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Recent comments on Isabelle make me feel even stronger that Tails was shafted. Him and Shadow are probably equally popular but Shadow would be significantly easier to make into an echo than Tails into a semi-clone. Plus Shadow is basically Dark Sonic if we're totally honest on his characterization and we already have two Dark echos as a frame of reference. Having Mario and Luigi and assumingly Ryu and Ken but not Sonic and Tails just feels wrong.
Shadow isn't Dark Sonic but this is:
 

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"The entire CV community!" That's vague. Any citations? In comparison, here's Sakurai's statement: "I'd imagine that there were a lot of people that went "huh?! Who's Richter?" too. I'd be happy if those people become more familiar with the character through Smash Ultimate."

https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-smash-bros-ultimate-newest-fighter-reveals-modes-and-more/

And in comparison:

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https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016...ans-one-most-requested-smash-bros-characters/

Huge difference. Even talking about the characters, Sakurai addresses that Geno is old but popular while the main takeaway with his comments on Richter are not a lot of people know who he is in the grand scheme of things. Keep in mind that Sakurai is also a man with such a huge video game collection that he regularly comments on that he's kind of embarrassed about it.

http://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/interview/shuno_sakurai

So what we have here is not only the director of Smash, who is constantly bombarded with character requests and knows who people are asking for more than anyone else, but also an avid video game collector make definitive statements on this topic. Again, very poor hill to die on.
Look dude. I get it. You really like Geno.
But doing the pissing contest of "My obscure Characters is less obscure than your Obscure Characters and here are the reasons." -Whenever they're good or not. I do agree that Sakurai at least aknowledged Geno and that he's a popular pick - is like pissing in the ocean and hoping you will flood the world and burry it under the sea with your contribution.

That's cool and dandy, but in the end, it doesn't change anything-

I like Geno a lot, but starting to downplay others Characters to show that yours have it's chance is basically Smash 4 cancer DLC era personality.

Richter IS in fact Famous, he's always battling between Alucard/Soma for First place in general during """major"" (aka more than 10 vote if you get what I mean) polls.


Now the point is here, Geno had Sakurai attention but he chose Cloud. There is another Square-Enix Rep and it's Maybe Geno.
But Saying that Richter doesn't have his cult celebrity is like saying that Geno doesn't have anything worth to be in smash beside Sakurai statement


Both are wrong. They're both beloved Characters in their community, or rather Smash community for Geno and CV for Richter and they both have their cult celibrity, while Richter Fame basically exploded x 100 thanks to his inclusion where a majority would rather play him than Simon and got to learn about Castlevania. (Oh yeah that's also a point about advertisement)


That's the dream for sure. Tails as unique, Shadow as echo, Knuckles is an assist trophy (duh), and Eggman as a boss in Spirits.
Idfk why we don't have another Sonic rep already whenever it's Shadow or Tails, even though my personal favorite would be Blaze tbvh.
 

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that's not even half of mario's representation, we need to go even further beyond with sonic representation and add amy, cream, robotnik, silver and that crocodile that looks cool
Amy as unique, Silver as unique, Cream as Tails' echo, Vector as assist trophy along with Espio and Charmy, and boom.
 

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Recent comments on Isabelle make me feel even stronger that Tails was shafted. Him and Shadow are probably equally popular but Shadow would be significantly easier to make into an echo than Tails into a semi-clone. Plus Shadow is basically Dark Sonic if we're totally honest on his characterization and we already have two Dark echos as a frame of reference. Having Mario and Luigi and assumingly Ryu and Ken but not Sonic and Tails just feels wrong.
Actually, there is such thing as Dark Sonic. It is a super move from Sonic in Sonic X. Remember that show?
Dark_Super_Sonic.png
 
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As much as I believe Verge's Smash leaks, I'm pretty sure there were some posts on r/Kappa heavily implying he edited his posts about the DBFZ DLC leaks after the characters were datamined from the game; doesn't mean much though, since he's gotten basically everything right so far regarding Smash.
there always a little note on each reddit post that it was edited
the OPs remains unedited so Vergeben can show he'll admit to being wrong or right if something happens
like the Fire Emblem character in SC6 (which turn out to be a Lyn's voice actor voicing one of the character, his SC sources are awfully cryptic compared to the Smash ones)
 

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I've always been surprised how much fans he has, I'm neutral towards him, I didn't play Mario RPG to know much about him.
Mostly the same here. I always thought he was the meme/Waluigi character of the core-Smash community.

Has Verg or his sources clarified whether or not he is considered by themselves to be a SE character? It's a minor but important detail.
 

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Mostly the same here. I always thought he was the meme/Waluigi character of the core-Smash community.

Has Verg or his sources clarified whether or not he is considered by themselves to be a SE character? It's a minor but important detail.
Verge has clarified that there WILL be a SE rep but he found out that there a list of them and only one can be true.
 

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Mostly the same here. I always thought he was the meme/Waluigi character of the core-Smash community.

Has Verg or his sources clarified whether or not he is considered by themselves to be a SE character? It's a minor but important detail.
To add on
Verge has clarified that there WILL be a SE rep but he found out that there a list of them and only one can be true.
Square are Ultra secretive with their Square-Enix Rep for some reasons, and basically threw names to employee to get leakers.
And Nintendo Themselves are playing fair game by making that Rep as secret as possible.

Vergeben managed to get a list of those name and the choosen one might be in it, but he can't say it because it would ruin his source jobs.


Which is probably and maybe what could have happened to Masked Man in ResetEra the Square Enix Translator who said "There is Characters that I know aren't in." With that old leak of Sora / Geno+Mallow. Since then he disappeared and deleted his account. Which is probably a proof of those rude methods.


Recently in some thread Vergeben basically said he's not deconfirm or Confirming either Geno, Sora or Isaac. (as someone asked him about Isaac)
If he say nothing it means either he's not 100% sure or he knows nothing about that Characters.
 
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He specified before the DLC was datamined that Raditz came from a different source. Believe me, I was around at the time and have gone back and checked again a month or so back.

As we've established, he has more than one source, not all of them reliable. But he has information regardless.


I mean... couldn't that apply to literally ANYTHING related to Minecraft? Like, obviously he can't talk about anything getting revealed there.
honestly like what?
i still think they'll do a showing next month, but a minecon reveal kinda make sense.
its on Saturday and they'll open up a blog post pertaining to Steve on Monday after the possible showing
 

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Smash Flash? That had Sonic and Tails but everyone else were OCs.
Nope there was a Sonic-only Smash fangame from like 07-08. Never finished and buggy as all hell but I remember spending a lot of time with it back then. Has a lot of characters and an Adventure mode, really ambitious and would be fun to see it revived.
 

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Mostly the same here. I always thought he was the meme/Waluigi character of the core-Smash community.

Has Verg or his sources clarified whether or not he is considered by themselves to be a SE character? It's a minor but important detail.
He's not a meme character like Waluigi but I feel like there is a lot of bandwagoning involved in his popularity. Though, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
 

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To add on


Square are Ultra secretive with their Square-Enix Rep for some reasons, and basically threw names to employee to get leakers.
And Nintendo Themselves are playing fair game by making that Rep as secret as possible.

Vergeben managed to get a list of those name and the choosen one might be in it, but he can't say it because it would ruin his source jobs.


Which is probably and maybe what could have happened to Masked Man in ResetEra the Square Enix Translator who said "There is Characters that I know aren't in." With that old leak of Sora / Geno+Mallow. Since then he disappeared and deleted his account. Which is probably a proof of those rude methods.


Recently in some thread Vergeben basically said he's not deconfirm or Confirming either Geno, Sora or Isaac. (as someone asked him about Isaac)
If he say nothing it means either he's not 100% sure or he knows nothing about that Characters.
So it's we shouldn't assume it's Geno then? Geez I only wonder what could they be hiding that can make the fan base go crazy about.
 

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So it's we shouldn't assume it's Geno then? Geez I only wonder what could they be hiding that can make the fan base go crazy about.
More like "The square Enix Character can be anyone, Geno have his chance but Don't be surprised if it's not Geno"
 

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Mostly the same here. I always thought he was the meme/Waluigi character of the core-Smash community.

Has Verg or his sources clarified whether or not he is considered by themselves to be a SE character? It's a minor but important detail.
Waluigi only became a meme after he was deconfirmed. Sure he has been deconfirmed 3 times but for some reason, he exploded as a meme in Ultimate.

For Geno, he has been bandwagoning but...unlike Isaac or Skull Kid, there are no """hints""" that can spike Geno's popularity as hard as Isaac and Skull Kid.

Skull Kid's popularity has blown off because of the chairs and the moon.

Isaac's popularity exploded after the Ratholos Image.

For Geno, well...there is Sakurai's quote and that is it. And even from Verge, Verge havent clarified who is the next SE rep. The latter has risen Geno's popularity but not to an extent that many point out that Geno is lock unlike Isaac and Skull Kid prior to Isabelle's reveal.
 
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I'd like to think The Moon assist trophy made more impact on Skull Kid than furniture
 

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Waluigi only became a meme after he was deconfirmed actually.
I mean, this happened three times now, first was like ten years ago. Waluigi pretty much became the face of "disconfirmed" characters.

I'd like to think The Moon assist trophy made more impact on Skull Kid than furniture
I'd like to think like that as well, but that's a sad reality we live in.
 
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