Smash Ultimate Leak Discussion Thread

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

I'd like to think The Moon assist trophy made more impact on Skull Kid than furniture

And Skull Kid is expected to be DLC and/or a boss.

 

[Fatmanonice]

It isn't a pissing contest though, it's an objective fact and you're just simply wrong given the mountain of evidence to the contrary. The original argument was that Richter was more obscure than Geno considering:

-fewer sales despite coming at the height of its platform's popularly while SMRPG was at the tail end of its own and not released in Europe.

-fewer rereleases with significantly larger time gaps compared to SMRPG

-hailing from a significantly less popular franchise in the scope of video games

-lack of recognition in the Smash Community while Geno has tangible evidence going back to 2000 with an official poll from Nintendo of Japan

-lack of acknowledgement in a Smash game before Ultimate

-lead game was a PC Japanese exclusive in 1993 that wouldn't see international rerelease until 2008

-acknowledgment from Konami that SotN didn't do too hot on its initial release

-last notable cameo was over a decade ago in 2006

-Sakurai's own statements on both characters

This started because you basically said "no, you're wrong" while I said "hold my beer." Now, if the argument was simply "they're both obscure", that is true but even this statement has nuances and parameters that can be dissected. This wasn't the starting statement however. You basically asked me to provide evidence and provide I did. The burden of proof was on me and I happily provided it Also, no, providing citations and going in depth without any personal attacks is not "toxic." Trust me, I've been in this game for 13 years now; you could say I have a good understanding of what constitutes appropriate and inappropriate debating.

 

[ZenythSmash]

if anything Gardevoir and Gothitelle are deconfirmed since it’s a Gen III remix

But yeah I can’t see Smash skipping on a Pokémon rep in any iteration

when the Gothitelle leak mentioned "Vergeben got the character wrong", a bunch of unrealistic filenames within a heavily protected Switch, and Gothitelle's stubby feet echo Ms. Longlegs, the leak had nothing else to stand on.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

It isn't a pissing contest though, it's an objective fact and you're just simply wrong given the mountain of evidence to the contrary. The original argument was that Richter was more obscure than Geno considering:

-fewer sales despite coming at the height of its platform's popularly while SMRPG was at the tail end of its own and not released in Europe.

-fewer rereleases with significantly larger time gaps compared to SMRPG

-hailing from a significantly less popular franchise in the scope of video games

-lack of recognition in the Smash Community while Geno has tangible evidence going back to 2000 with an official poll from Nintendo of Japan

-lack of acknowledgement in a Smash game before Ultimate

-lead game was a PC Japanese exclusive in 1993 that wouldn't see international rerelease until 2008

-acknowledgment from Konami that SotN didn't do too hot on its initial release

-last notable cameo was over a decade ago in 2006

-Sakurai's own statements on both characters

This started because you basically said "no, you're wrong" while I said "hold my beer." Now, if the argument was simply "they're both obscure", that is true but even this statement has nuances and parameters that can be dissected. This wasn't the starting statement however. You basically asked me to provide evidence and provide I did. The burden of proof was on me and I happily provided it Also, no, providing citations and going in depth without any personal attacks is not "toxic." Trust me, I've been in this game for 13 years now; you could say I have a good understanding of what constitutes appropriate and inappropriate debating.

This all goes back to "muh relevancy" and "Sakurai says," both of which are both pretty piss-poor things to debate in and of themselves because they are glorified assumptions. You speculah kids aren't clairvoyant, and have in fact been wrong a good 99.9% of the time, outside the odd coincidence that sprouts up here and there due to chaos theory/plain old "**** happening."


So, thirteen years of...what, exactly?

Smooth Criminal

 

[Nekoo]

This all goes back to "muh relevancy" and "Sakurai says," both of which are both pretty piss-poor things to debate in and of themselves because they are glorified assumptions. You speculah kids aren't clairvoyant, and have in fact been wrong a good 99.9% of the time, outside the odd coincidence that sprouts up here and there due to chaos theory/plain old "**** happening."


So, thirteen years of...what, exactly?

Smooth Criminal

Thanks You. That's all I say.

 

[Jchrono95]

About the SE rep

I fully don't expect it to be who I want but damn I really want Crono so bad

 

[Nekoo]

About the SE rep

I fully don't expect it to be who I want but damn I really want Crono so bad

You and me dude. You and me. If it's Crono and ANYONE complain, they're stuly the most ungrateful person on earth for that Miracle.

 

[Dcas]

Drought? Lacking something substantial? That's insane and insatiable, we got six newcomer reveals in the last two months. You know the last time we got six newcomer reveals in the span of two months? That's right, it was never.

Just... take a breath. You guys will never be satisfied if learning of 73 characters and 103 stages in the last four months seems inconsequential.

Huh? Seems like you are missing the point. In marketing, everything you do could be backfired. As for instance, you announce your game 6 months prior release then you should definetly keep a constant flux of news and announcements to keep your customers informed and not just that, if you want to evade leaks just keep anouncing a character per month or something, akeen to KoF or Soul Calibur even SF5 announces all their characters previous their season.

Im not desperate for info or such, i could wait 3 more years for a delay IF they announce it, the problem here is the secrecy and radio silence.

p.d: i know it doesnt even matter, at the end smash will sell gangbusters.

 

[Jchrono95]

You and me dude. You and me. If it's Crono and ANYONE complain, they're stuly the most ungrateful person on earth for that Miracle.

I feel like the series is popular enough the only people who'd actively dislike his inclusion are the ones who think any specific SE character are 100% in.

EDIT: Yeah I gotta say Crono may be the safest inclusion from a community reaction perspective.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

You and me dude. You and me. If it's Crono and ANYONE complain, they're stuly the most ungrateful person on earth for that Miracle.

If we don’t get to see Marle’s victory animation in HD, what’s the point?

 

[Paperchampion23]

All you people following "Nihilist Theory" are frauds. The REAL Nihilist Theory is that Sakurai will turn "Today's Character" into "Today's CUT Character", writing his Famitsu column about how he hates every popular character from Isaac to Geno to Thwomp, cancels Smash Ultimate once every character is cut, destroys every copy of every Smash game himself, and then rips the universe in half with his bare hands, killing everyone.

Your "Nihilist" theory is sunshine and rainbows. At lease there's 2 more new characters in your theory.

Pfffft. That's kids stuff, the best theory is the "Cancelled" theory. Can't be disappointed in anything if you think the game is cancelled.

But on a serious note. 72 characters. 72 goddamn characters. And people are having a mass hysteria about the roster. On top of this, WE KNOW there are a few more characters and we can assume with good cause there will be plenty of DLC content (missing stages, new characters/stages, etc), so speculation and fun doesn't stop at release.

DaybreakHorizon , if it wasn't obvious, you can add me to the nihilism theory lol.

People need to learn how to be happy with what we have and what we are going to get. Enjoy the prospects and the possibilities, but don't go insane over them.

 

[Mehdow]

About the SE rep

I fully don't expect it to be who I want but damn I really want Crono so bad

That would be a totally unexpected surprise, one I would pay for.

 

[ZenythSmash]

so I found my old, fake Steve leak on my dropbox which I recently just tried logging into.
View attachment 166815

yeah I know this is a thread for real leaks, but I thought I'd post it for laughs.

I think I just edited over Palutena's page.

he's in

 

[Robertman2]

The rep is Adam Jensen from Deus Ex, and his tagline is "Adam Jensen didn't want this!"

 

[TMNTSSB4]

You know what would be fun? Having Sonic series representation reflect Mario's, like this:

Protagonist: Mario/Sonic
Sidekick: Luigi/Tails
Rival: Wario/Shadow
Assist Rival: Waluigi/Knuckles
Nemesis: Bowser/Eggman

Peach/Amy and Daisy or Rosalina/Blaze

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

About the SE rep

I fully don't expect it to be who I want but damn I really want Crono so bad

That actually would be pretty funny if we got Crono given how he was illustrated by the same guy who made Dragon Ball(I'm sure many people still would like to see Goku even though it extremely unlikely) I would be fine with him and I love to see how many people would be shocked if he got in.

 

[Robertman2]

Speaking of Geno

He has a page on the Transformers Wiki

 

[Flyboy]

Neku or Crono, those are my dream SE reps. 2B would be impossible but lovely.

I'm rooting for Geno since people have wanted him since Melee, but on a personal level I would absolutely explode if the first few notes of Calling hit during a trailer.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Speaking of Geno

He has a page on the Transformers Wiki

Weird that he and Samus are apart of something Transformers related

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Weird that he and Samus are apart of something Transformers related

These crossovers are getting out of control!

On another note, who's voting for Charles Dickens in the next smash ballot?

 

[Untouch]

Not saying it's impossible, but Chocobo and Geno both got a costume at the same time, it could have been a "pack in" deal with Square Enix.
I wouldn't be against Geno's addition but there's other characters I'd want before him. I still think it's very likely to be a DQ character but that may just be my bias.

 

[CamZilla94]

So what's the current consensus on Skull Kid's chances?

 

[Fatmanonice]

This all goes back to "muh relevancy" and "Sakurai says," both of which are both pretty piss-poor things to debate in and of themselves because they are glorified assumptions. You speculah kids aren't clairvoyant, and have in fact been wrong a good 99.9% of the time, outside the odd coincidence that sprouts up here and there due to chaos theory/plain old "**** happening."


So, thirteen years of...what, exactly?

Smooth Criminal

Being part of the community. Again, this isn't a de-facto statement about Geno getting in, it was the argument that Geno was more obscure than Richter. No, he's not, on multiple fronts. Keep in mind that this started because he took actual offense to an earlier post and treated it as a deep cutting insult. Also, I see you became a mod; good on ya.

Add in: By extension it was also an argument that third party characters didn't necessarily have to advertise anything specific or even be immediately relevant to be considered, case in point, with the addition of Richter. It's one of those choices that seems to have literally boiled down to "because Sakurai wanted him."

 

[NextChannelGames]

I'll be happy for whoever the SE rep will be. There is like a lot of good series from Dragon Quest, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy, Geno, Octopath, Chrono Trigger, Bravely series, and many more.

Is the Chrono series that good? I'm thinking of playing that soon...

These crossovers are getting out of control!

On another note, who's voting for Charles Dickens in the next smash ballot?

Love the Cranky Kong meme xD Also, I hope Porky comes back!

That actually would be pretty funny if we got Crono given how he was illustrated by the same guy who made Dragon Ball(I'm sure many people still would like to see Goku even though it extremely unlikely) I would be fine with him and I love to see how many people would be shocked if he got in.

Oh no... If Crono is in... That means some fans will think it's a sign for Goku xD

 

[cmbsfm]

The rep is Adam Jensen from Deus Ex, and his tagline is "Adam Jensen didn't want this!"

Id rather have JC Denton

 

[TMNTSSB4]

So what's the current consensus on Skull Kid's chances?

He could fully kill the music and box theories at the same time if he gets confirmed...or he ends up staying as an Assist Trophy

These crossovers are getting out of control!

On another note, who's voting for Charles Dickens in the next smash ballot?

too op for Smash

 

[Untouch]

So what's the current consensus on Skull Kid's chances?

I don't really think he's in the base game. I doubt that he's a boss though. That theory doesn't make much sense to me. I think if we're getting a zelda boss it'll be a Guardian.

 

[Majora's Visage]

So what's the current consensus on Skull Kid's chances?

As a Skull Kid advocate, I am unsure if he will make base game. I honestly think we're getting 2-3 more characters

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Oh no... If Crono is in... That means some fans will think it's a sign for Goku xD

Hello Kitty has been a shoo-in ever since Isabelle was confirmed.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I don't really think he's in the base game. I doubt that he's a boss though. That theory doesn't make much sense to me. I think if we're getting a zelda boss it'll be a Guardian.

There's a theory on him being a boss?

But wow how have I not thought of a Guardian as a boss? That would be such a good representation of BotW and be large enough to make sense as a Smash boss opposed to a character like Skull Kid. I suppose we could have classic bosses like Dodongo (don't bother correcting my spelling) and Gohma, but I like the idea of a Guardian better.

 

[Untouch]

There's a theory on him being a boss?

But wow how have I not thought of a Guardian as a boss? That would be such a good representation of BotW and be large enough to make sense as a Smash boss opposed to a character like Skull Kid. I suppose we could have classic bosses like Dodongo (don't bother correcting my spelling) and Gohma, but I like the idea of a Guardian better.

LeakyPandy said he's a boss and a lot of people believe them for some reason.
It's a pretty common opinion and I still don't understand why.

 

[Jchrono95]

I'll be happy for whoever the SE rep will be. There is like a lot of good series from Dragon Quest, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy, Geno, Octopath, Chrono Trigger, Bravely series, and many more.

Is the Chrono series that good? I'm thinking of playing that soon...

Oh its great, one of my favorite games of all time. Highly recommend playing it

 

[Fatmanonice]

So what's the current consensus on Skull Kid's chances?

My thoughts: playable, boss, or part of Young Link's Final Smash. His absence as an AT is notable but there's not much else to go off aside from conjecture.

 

[Calane]

I'm one of those weird people who genuinely wants the SE character to be from Dragon Quest. And no, I don't want Slime. I want it to be an actual character from the series (like a hero, or someone like Alena). From what I hear, DQ is the least likely SE series to appear in Smash, so I'm not at all confident about it ever happening.

It's for this reason that I choose to believe the "LeakyPandy" rumor despite everyone saying it's fake. I mean, it probably is, but I just want some hope to hang onto. Yeah, I know I'm being stupid, but just let me dream. I'll get over it once the SE character is confirmed to be Geno, Sora, or someone like that.

I don't mind Geno and Sora, by the way. I'll be very happy for their fans if either make it in.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

LeakyPandy said he's a boss and a lot of people believe them for some reason.
It's a pretty common opinion and I still don't understand why.

Ok well I've developed an actual theory for Skull Kid - it contains 4 possibilities.

1. Skull Kid is still an AT
Honestly this is the most likely, I don't see us getting too many more characters, and Sakurai definitely thinks being an AT is still an honor and good place for fan favorites that couldn't make it. Most importantly he was one already, so why change something that's working fine?

2. Skull Kid is a boss.
I don't think this is likely. Every boss in smash, both in Ultimate and previously, was either bigger than the playable characters or was a playable character. I don't see this changing, and Sakurai would have to take liberties to make even Majors Incarnation to he much larger than the playable characters. Also it's the least iconic form of Skull Kid and Majora's Mask. Yeah I don't see it happening but still a possibility.

3. Skull Kid is a playable character (in the base game)
As a Skull Kid fan this would be a wish come true. It's either happening or not. I don't think many unique characters are left so I don't think this is very likely but I do think it's more likely than him being a boss.

4. Skull Kid is not present in the game other than a trophy/sticker/etc.
Now this to me says one thing. He was either planned at one point or is a potential front runner for dlc. I think this is the second best thing Skull Kid fans should hope for. Because why would Sakurai remove his AT other than to give him a different role? (Unless he pulls an Isaac...)

Thoughts? Doesn't look to down for Skull Kid honestly...

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I don't really think he's in the base game. I doubt that he's a boss though. That theory doesn't make much sense to me. I think if we're getting a zelda boss it'll be a Guardian.

Or even one of the Ganons form BOTW

 

[Deleted member]

Nope there was a Sonic-only Smash fangame from like 07-08. Never finished and buggy as all hell but I remember spending a lot of time with it back then. Has a lot of characters and an Adventure mode, really ambitious and would be fun to see it revived.

Uh, do you know the name by any chance? That sounds interesting as I had never heard of it before.

About the SE rep

I fully don't expect it to be who I want but damn I really want Crono so bad

If you need something to fill in your Crono fix, Card Sagas Wars is a free fangame that features him alongside some other characters. It's a more traditional fighting game with simple directional inputs ala Smash.
It's only a prototype though, as it ran into some issues throughout the years so it's unbalaced amd has some jank in it(like I'm pretty sure Crono's NAir doesn't have a hitbox) but it is very much playable.

Also, keep an eye on Smash Flash 2, as he was playable in the first game and they're supposed to be bringing back all the videogame characters from the first.

You and me dude. You and me. If it's Crono and ANYONE complain, they're stuly the most ungrateful person on earth for that Miracle.

Crono is a character I've long accepted is impossible but if it ever did happen would be a "literally no one has any right to complain about this" type of addition.
Too bad his support is as dead as his own franchise.

 

[Deleted member]

I think the answer to this is:


How many items/Pokemon/Assists are left from 8.8?

5 if counting Banana Gun as from 8.8 (even though we saw it at E3 Demo)
6 items total considering the Healing Field hasn't been featured yet.

5/6 Assists from 8.8. (Depending on if the returning Gray Fox counts)
7/8 Assists total with Burrowing Snageret and Arcade Bunny still needing updates.

5 Pokémon from 8.8.
6 Pokémon total with the new version of Scizor (which was seen before 8.8)

 

[Untouch]

I'm one of those weird people who genuinely wants the SE character to be from Dragon Quest. And no, I don't want Slime. I want it to be an actual character from the series (like a hero, or someone like Alena). From what I hear, DQ is the least likely SE series to appear in Smash, so I'm not at all confident about it ever happening.

It's for this reason that I choose to believe the "LeakyPandy" rumor despite everyone saying it's fake. I mean, it probably is, but I just want some hope to hang onto. Yeah, I know I'm being stupid, but just let me dream. I'll get over it once the SE character is confirmed to be Geno, Sora, or someone like that.

I don't mind Geno and Sora, by the way. I'll be very happy for their fans if either make it in.

The difficulty in getting the rights to use DQ characters is overblown.
If Nintendo managed to get Slime as a minor unlockable character in the Wii version of a sports spinoff I think they can get a DQ character for smash.
The music is the hurdle here, but it's the same as Cloud.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I think the most important thing fans of AT Characters (Shadow, Skull Kid, Isaac, Saki, etc) should hope for in the least for base are no deconfirmations like Waluigi or Ashley.

If these characters don't show up as ATs, it could be very possible that DLC may focus around some of them, especially if their AT is missing but they don't show up in base as playable. The only exception to this is probably Isaac, as him missing last game meant nothing for him, but I have other reasons to believe he might be a focus in the future.