Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Dandelionel]

It's not exactly obscure, it's one of the most successful mobile games of all time, spawned an anime, and will be getting a console game.



It's still big, but it's been over taken by other games as the biggest (either FGO or BanG Dream depending on metrics)

Wait Bang Dream is finally popular? Good, because I played a little bit of it and it was so polished that it was astounding. Too bad that I'm not into idol games.

 

[RileyXY1]

What's this I'm hearing about some mobile character getting leaked or something?

Some guy who Verge is backing up claims that Katalina, a character from a mobile game called Granblue Fantasy, is playable.

I mean, Simon, Ridley and King K Rool have been mostly for the west. I think it would compensate. Remember than in Japan Smash sells millions.

Sakurai is almost completely reluctant to add Japan-only characters. He had Ayumi Tachibana and Takamaru scrapped because they were Japan-only.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Man I do wish Sakurai would had added Ayumi into Melee.

If there is an retro rep it should be her.

 

[Q-Long]

>One of Japan's biggest mobile JRPGs.
>"Obscure"

Pick one.

Gran for Ryu clone! (Ryu has already appeared in Granblue lol)

 

[Noipoi]

Even then they should be lucky he is even giving us what we want like King K. Rool and Ridley in the first place so what else is there to ask for?

/V/ doesn't think logically. /V/ just ****posts.

 

[Shroob]

As someone who actually plays Granblue and can comment on it objectively.


My biggest question is: Why Katalina?



The player character is basically the main character of the game, Katalina is just your first party member.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Some guy who Verge is backing up claims that Katalina, a character from a mobile game called Granblue Fantasy, is playable.

que?

eh whatever, bring her in. After getting I'm in literally no position to complain about newcomers from here on out

 

[Xgears]

Wait what Katalina? Who?

 

[Chrono.]

/V/ doesn't think logically. /V/ just ****posts.

So do a lot of us here to be fair.

 

[Opossum]

And now we got people asking for Frogger...



The sad thing is, there's still going to be people that ignore all of that and just play on Final Destination with items turned off.

Seriously, guys, Melee was 17 years ago. You have to move on.



Finally, someone that gets it. They're certainly taking Mii costumes into account, so even Federation Force Marines as ATs wouldn't seem that random. How many promotions we'll have in this fashion is what we can wait and see for.



Seems fair, but I don't know if Ninty would acknowledge Telltale Games stuff.

Frogger is actually my second most wanted third party now, only after Crash.

 

[Dandelionel]

As someone who actually plays Granblue and can comment on it objectively.


My biggest question is: Why Katalina?



The player character is basically the main character of the game, Katalina is just your first party member.

Personality I guess? I played only a little bit of Granblue but at least the main character seemed too generic. At least the male version, and that's sadly the default one. Although if I had to choose one myself I would choose the blue haired girl instead. Katalina would be okayish but like, she is an anime sword user.

 

[PeridotGX]

Wait, why are we talking about Steve?

Do you just have a file of my old avatar just lying around or something?

Nah, it's just the first thing that shows up when you type "Zinith Yoshi". Also your new one really doesn't work with what I was doing.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I got my King K. Rool and Ridley. Anything else at this point is icing on cake though I still want Banjo-Kazooie, Black Shadow and Medusa but I'll still be satisfied with what I got.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Wait what Katalina? Who?

"Lyria's bodyguard, and a girl with a mysterious past. She has let fly a banner of rebellion against the Empire, and is by turn Lyria's loyal retainer and her loving older sister. "

 

[RileyXY1]

Wait what Katalina? Who?

She's from a mobile game called Granblue Fantasy. Someone with the backing of Vergeben claims that she's in.

 

[Deleted member]

As someone who actually plays Granblue and can comment on it objectively.


My biggest question is: Why Katalina?



The player character is basically the main character of the game, Katalina is just your first party member.

If we were talking of FGO, would you be arguing in favor of Saber/Artoria, or would you be arguing in favor of Ritsuka?

If we were talking of FEH, would you be arguing in favor of someone like Marth, or would you be arguing in favor of the Summoner?

Exactly.

 

[Untouch]

This granblue leak suffers from the same problems leakypandy's leak suffers from.
How would they get this info? Low level programmers and bug tests would not know what Nintendo's marketers are planning. They wouldn't know what business deals are going on between huge companies for obvious reasons.

 

[Pyra]

The next character could be an Apple iPad for all I care, I wanna know more about the new mode

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

She's from a mobile game called Granblue Fantasy. Someone with the backing of Vergeben claims that she's in.

Pretty sure Verge is just backing up his Steve Claims...
We all know that the Granblue part is garbage

 

[Shroob]

If we were talking of FGO, would you be arguing in favor of Saber/Artoria, or would you be arguing in favor of Ritsuka?

If we were talking of FEH, would you be arguing in favor of someone like Marth, or would you be arguing in favor of the Summoner?

Exactly.

I mean, to be fair.... Saber 'is' Fate.


I think the better comparison would be Lyria, since she's GBF's mascot.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Well, if this rumor (not a leak, difference in wording yo) is true, then that would kills the box theory. Which i’d be fine with, despite me hating the idea of Steve in Smash. Probably the only character I would probably pick to crushinate every time I play.

That said, Verg simply said that some information overlaps between them. Some information doesn’t. We don’t know what information does or doesn’t overlap. Steve being playable doesn’t overlap, but an Assist Trophy or stage does.

Granted, I think the idea that one couldn’t determine what Minecraft content is in the game is...interesting. There’s a definite difference in stage or Assist Trophy.

It’ll be interesting though. I just want more specifics.

 

[Noipoi]

Honestly I don't even care about K Rool and Ridley.
I got my squids. I got everyone else too. That's all I need.

Spoiler

now if I get a wrestler kitty and a wooden doll as well i'll be really happy

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Honestly I don't even care about K Rool and Ridley.

That's what makes this world the much more unique and interesting place it is. Having different opinions and views on stuff.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Seeing the quotes

Why?

I thought he said Minecraft is getting presentation that’s not playable

And that the heck is granblue he’s going to loose points if he’s supporting someone for that

Oh by the way I never really understood this

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comm...ts_new_game_by_snk_just_announced_in/e69q1et/

Can someone tell me what’s significant about it that involves smash bros?

 

[Dukemon]

Anyway it seems echoes may be immune to the music theory, we got Dark Samus months after a Metroid remix that came with Ridley

Yes, I would say Echoes do not count.
Ridley was announced and we have got a Metroid Remix. Dark Samus was announced but we have got no Metorid remix. I think this is why Deep of Brinstar remix was used as background music for the announcement of Dark Samus. Ridley had his Ridley Themesong, but it was not published on the website yet.
Daisy was announced during the E3 presentation, but the new Mario Remix was published three weeks ago.

 

[Arcadenik]

I mean, Simon, Ridley and King K Rool have been mostly for the west. I think it would compensate. Remember than in Japan Smash sells millions.

But the games they appeared in came out in Japan too.

 

[Pyra]

Honestly I don't even care about K Rool and Ridley.
I got my squids. I got everyone else too. That's all I need.

Spoiler

now if I get a wrestler kitty and a wooden doll as well i'll be really happy

We have such a similar yet vastly different taste in newcomers.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Yes, I would say Echoes do not count.
Ridley was announced and we have got a Metroid Remix. Dark Samus was announced but we have got no Metorid remix. I think this is why Deep of Brinstar remix was used as background music for the announcement of Dark Samus. Ridley had his Ridley Themesong, but it was not published on the website yet.
Daisy was announced during the E3 presentation, but the new Mario Remix was published three weeks ago.

Would the music theory be a load of hogwash if a single series got TWO tracks, too?

 

[Noipoi]

We have such a similar yet vastly different taste in newcomers.

How so?

Spoiler

also why is my birthday in your signature?

 

[PsySmasher]

As someone who actually plays Granblue and can comment on it objectively.


My biggest question is: Why Katalina?



The player character is basically the main character of the game, Katalina is just your first party member.

Maybe it's due to the fact that she seems to be the main focus for Project Re: Link (at least in terms of the gameplay/reveal trailer). The game is getting an English release (although it is on the PS4).

 

[AreJay25]

Seeing the quotes

Why?

I thought he said Minecraft is getting presentation that’s not playable

And that the heck is granblue he’s going to loose points if he’s supporting someone for that

Oh by the way I never really understood this

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comm...ts_new_game_by_snk_just_announced_in/e69q1et/

Can someone tell me what’s significant about it that involves smash bros?

He never said what exactly its representation would be.

Just that Minecraft would be in the game in some capacity.

 

[Xgears]

I really don't understand why they'd pick such an obscure character, what powers does she have? Does her game is considered a masterpiece? Or is it just to promote the game?

 

[Next Door Dog]

I personally think when Sakurai said that he believes, “a change in direction is what’s needed”, he was referring to the game as a whole. You can just focus on adding as many characters as possible, but hen the rest of the game suffers.

Instead, if you already have a big, diverse, well represented roster, you can flesh out other things like single player, stages, items, maybe even stuff like trophies and music.

We’ve seen this in action already with content being added onto simple additions. We could have just gotten Dracula’s Castle, but no. We got stage hazards of different monsters and Dracula himself. It’s not just a stage, it’s an experience.

These are the sorts of additions I think Sakurai is looking for. He’s added more modes that aren’t crap like Tour. They refined other modes like Classic and Squad Strike.

I think fans get too caught up in characters and don’t focus enough on actually being able to play it. Having good characters is good, but will mean nothing is there aren’t new, fantastic ways to play the game as them.

I agree with a lot of this, and I've been much more interested in modes than characters since the game has been announced (especially now that I've got my most wanted characters aside from one or two). At this point I find modes and quality-of-life changes to be more important than the roster. It's nice being able to play as your favorite character, but it's a bit sullied when you get KO'd early from janky mechanics, or stuck to limited online modes.

Speaking of, I'm more anxious over the fact we haven't heard anything about the online more than any box theory. I would've figured they'd mention something during the most recent direct, but they just told us more of the same about the online service itself. I'm not expecting it to run any better at this point, I'm just hoping there are more modes to play.

For some reason a lot of my anticipation is centered around stages, too. The sheer amount is amazing, and I'm eager to see all the different forms. But then again, most of them are old stages, so I can understand why there isn't much discussion about them here.

I'm just glad I'm at the point where I don't really have to fret over what characters are and aren't in the game, and I'm looking forward to all the extra content the game will have since resources won't have to be split for two games like it was for Sm4sh.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So if Steve to be true then who we got in base roster is then.

Chrom(E)
Daisy(E)
Dark Samus(E)
Incineroar
Inkling
Isabelle
Ken(E)
King K. Rool
Richter(E)
Ridley
Simon
Steve

Still much less then previous newcomers in the other Smash games so Sakurai had indeed kept his word when he said "Don't expect too many".

At that point Geno may very well be DLC then.

 

[Shroob]

I really don't understand why they'd pick such an obscure character, what powers does she have? Does her game is considered a masterpiece? Or is it just to promote the game?

The game is 'big' in Japan, probably in the top 3-5 mobile games.

And powers? Ice-wielding swordswoman.

 

[Dukemon]

Would the music theory be a load of hogwash if a single series got TWO tracks, too?

That is not the case so far. It is a pattern. And until now it is as good as any other

 

[Untouch]

I would imagine that if Nintendo wants a mobile representative they'd pick either a character from Draglia Lost or FEH, you know, games they make money from...

 

[RandomAce]

So... Verge is backing up someone who says Steve and a Grandblue character are joining Smash? Or is there something I’m missing here?

Ummmmmm... I’m skeptical. I guess Steve makes sense, however there are some things that make me wary about his (her?) chances. But Grandblue? That has little to no relationship to Nintendo whatsoever and is mediocre at best here. I rrrreeeeeeaaaaalllllllyyyy doubt a Grandblue character is coming to Smash. I didn’t even know what Grandblue was until now.

 

[Pyra]

How so?

Spoiler

also why is my birthday in your signature?

I love the inklings and really want Geno, and am cool with pretty much all of the newcomers so far, but I also very much like K. Rool. So I see your posts mentioning that you don't care so much for him and feel a kind of dissonance for a second haha.

Also, to answer your question about my signature,

Spoiler

Also, I didn't know it's your birthday, but hey that too I guess

 

[Shroob]

Ya know...


The biggest funny is that Granblue was made by a whole bunch of people that made early Final Fantasy games, including Nomua.


Wouldn't it be a kick in the teeth if Verg mistook Katalina as the "2nd SE rep"?