Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

You got it:

God Marina is the best idol in the Splatoonverse in noone can change my mind

 

[Noipoi]

You got it:

You were already gonna be in it, duh.

 

[staindgrey]

see there's your first mistake

I think the first mistake was trying to make sense of Corrin's design.

 

[Kingslime304]

You now get to add three, and only three music tracks to Smash. They don't even have to be from a video game. What tracks would you pick? For me...

Rivals in Another Dimension/A Battle of Friends and Bonds 4 (Kirby stages)
Astral Birth Void (Kirby stages)
SUPER-REFLEX (Other stages)

Any music from the Jojo Part 1 anime (That ost is really good),
American Venom (RDR2),
and a new Mother 3 remix that's emotional.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

While your statement is true, I believe that if we have to have cuts (and I don’t think we do but whatever) characters like Ike and Lucario are on the chopping block. Sure they have “unique” gameplay, but a new character could always do the same thing but better. And while legacy is definitely important, Ike and Lucario just aren’t that big in the grand scheme of Nintendo or Smash. I really don’t think this sheild of iconography extends beyond characters from Melee or 64.

In that case though, why not keep the character that players have several years experience playing as and having an attachment to? That seems like replacing characters for the sake of it.

Lucario not being an icon is flat out wrong though my dude. He’s one of the only non-1st gen picks that has stood out among the other six generations besides the first, even showing up in the mainly first gen Super Bowl commercial.

Frankly i’m of the opinion that none of the newer characters that could get picked should get in over anyone we have. Most of the characters we have I would consider “essentials” especially for those who consider a hall of fame type of game.

 

[Deleted member]

You were already gonna be in it, duh.

You expect me to not post a Marina screencap when the opportunity arises?

Can't wait to see the art, BTW! Your stuff is always 10/10.

 

[Iridium]

You now get to add three, and only three music tracks to Smash. They don't even have to be from a video game. What tracks would you pick? For me...

Rivals in Another Dimension/A Battle of Friends and Bonds 4 (Kirby stages)
Astral Birth Void (Kirby stages)
SUPER-REFLEX (Other stages)

Field Battle (BOTW)
Battling Precariously (Ninja Gaiden II)
Unbreakable Determination (Ninja Gaiden)

Not hard for me.

Or...

Damage Inc. (Metallica)
The Conjuring (Megadeth)
Leprosy (Death)

If I went with non-videogame stuff.

 

[PeridotGX]

You now get to add three, and only three music tracks to Smash. They don't even have to be from a video game. What tracks would you pick? For me...

Rivals in Another Dimension/A Battle of Friends and Bonds 4 (Kirby stages)
Astral Birth Void (Kirby stages)
SUPER-REFLEX (Other stages)

Dialga's Fight to the Finish (PMD2)
Dark Matter Theme (Robobot)
Something from Steven Universe

 

[Kingslime304]

Look, in my opinion if there's anyone that's gonna be cut, it would at least be one or two from Fire Emblem, which are probably Corrin, and (This sounds hurtful saying it) Lucina. Even people now know echo fighters don't take space, it still feels like there's a lot of them.

 

[KMDP]

Remember when Incineroar was leak bait? :V

Remember when chairs meant Skull Kid?

Here's two responses, pick your poison.

Spoiler: Option 1

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Spoiler: Option 2

Yeah, I 'member...

 

[CannonStreak]

Remember when chairs meant Skull Kid?

Yeah, people were looking too hard into that, wouldn't you say?

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Guess I have to get out something cute for Noi since everyone else is doing it.

Spoiler

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

Departure - Megaman Zero 2
Last - Puyo Puyo eSports Mix
Laser Beam - Persona Q

 

[Momotsuki]

I am generally against cuts, even for fighters I dislike, outside of something like a full-blown series reboot (which I think is a very valid option for the next installment). However, I do think Cloud is on the chopping block unless the next Smash is another EVERYONE IS HERE!, and I say that as somebody who enjoys Cloud. According to the game data, Cloud was the last fighter to be added to the game, after even any newcomers, which makes me worry we came really close to having a Smash game where ALMOST EVERYONE IS HERE!. I feel that Cloud has a very good chance of getting cut. Not because they'd want to cut him, but because it doesn't seem like Square enjoys playing ball in Sora Ltd.'s court, given how it seems Cloud narrowly squeezed in this time.

 

[Kingslime304]

I also got something cute for Noipoi!

Spoiler

 

[RyuhoFox]

Oh, I thought you were talking about the anime. Because I've heard a lot of Incineroar supporters saying Ash's Torracat is gonna suddenly jump out of the shadows and become Ash's ace (something that doesn't have much pointing towards it).

I think it's less about being his ace and more about being his fully evolved and having an impending rivalry in the anime. Both of which having things pointing towards them

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Delete please

 

[RandomAce]

You guys The owl and wolf are great picks we don't have any archers nor ANYONE with a counter.

(Okay I can't stop laughing)

I’ve been wanting to call you out on this for a while now... but remembering your reasons against Decidueye about how one special move makes him similar to Link and Pit over the last couple of months... is what’s laughable.

Does this:

Or This:

Look like they will have a similar moveset to this:

Even take out their Archery aspect (including the Links and Pits) and look at their moveset and what moveset Decidueye would have and it would still be different.

I fail to see your point. And Sakurai has made it clear that the reason Incineroar is a fighter is because he wanted to work on a wrestler. That’s all we know, but I honestly think “uniqueness” wouldn’t be the fault because S/M already came out when Sakurai was picking a Pokémon, so concept art is thrown out the window and the idea that’s Decidueye would be similar to Pit/Link is already faulty to begin with.

And that’s only half of what you said that I want to address along with some other things, but I don’t feel so good at the moment.

... I sleep now.

 

[R O F L]

You now get to add three, and only three music tracks to Smash. They don't even have to be from a video game. What tracks would you pick? For me...

Rivals in Another Dimension/A Battle of Friends and Bonds 4 (Kirby stages)
Astral Birth Void (Kirby stages)
SUPER-REFLEX (Other stages)

Only 3? This is going to be hard.

Namida Ga Afureta - Strawberry Flower
Parallel Boss Battle - Kirby Star Allies: Heroes in Another Dimention
Hot Head Bop - DKC2

I'd leave a list of honorable mentions, but it'd be like 50 songs long.

Edit: It seems like I only like video game music

 

[Gyrom8]

....I’m gonna be one of those people.

... so will I

But I fear that Steve grows stronger by the day

 

[ClaTheBae]

I'm gonna make a goodbye thread picture.

O H A B S O L U T E L Y

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

... so will I

But I fear that Steve grows stronger by the day

You better run from the Steve Squad

We will eventually reign supreme

 

[Peeton]

You now get to add three, and only three music tracks to Smash. They don't even have to be from a video game. What tracks would you pick? For me...

Rivals in Another Dimension/A Battle of Friends and Bonds 4 (Kirby stages)
Astral Birth Void (Kirby stages)
SUPER-REFLEX (Other stages)

Alright let’s see...
Crystal tear drops (castlevania SoTN)
Dung Defender (Hollow Knight)
The lightning battle (Kid Icarus Uprising)

I feel the last two would work wonderfully in smash. Crystal tear drops would be a lost painting type deal, just speed it up? I’d love to leave it the same though!

 

[Alternis]

Only 3? This is going to be hard.
Hot Head Bop - DKC2

SOMEONE ELSE UNDERSTANDS THE PAIN I FEEL.

Seriously this song needs to be in yesterday. No excuses.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Last - Puyo Puyo eSports Mix

IS that Jun Senoue???

 

[Momotsuki]

It's been a good ride from this thread. Even if I did disappear from it for about a month.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I’ve been wanting to call you out on this for a while now... but remembering your reasons against Decidueye about how one special move makes him similar to Link and Pit over the last couple of months... is what’s laughable.

Does this:
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Or This:
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Look like they will have a similar moveset to this:
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Even take out their Archery aspect (including the Links and Pits) and look at their moveset and what moveset Decidueye would have and it would still be different.

I fail to see your point. And Sakurai has made it clear that the reason Incineroar is a fighter is because he wanted to work on a wrestler. That’s all we know, but I honestly think “uniqueness” wouldn’t be the fault because S/M already came out when Sakurai was picking a Pokémon, so concept art is thrown out the window and the idea that’s Decidueye would be similar to Pit/Link is already faulty to begin with.

And that’s only half of what you said that I want to address along with some other things, but I don’t feel so good at the moment.

... I sleep now.

Doesn’t matter...Pit will always be better than both

 

[Gentlepanda]

You better run from the Steve Squad

We will eventually reign supreme

block gang rise up

 

[Kingslime304]

I'm kind of sad that Dark Samus is not played much because of the tier lists, since she's soo cool in my opinion. I mean, that's why I have this profile picture, she looks really good with K. Rools cape.

 

[PeridotGX]

I'm kind of sad that Dark Samus is not played much because of the tier lists, since she's soo cool in my opinion. I mean, that's why I have this profile picture, she looks really good with K. Rools cape.

Yeah, Dark Samus is really fun. And this is coming from someone who couldn't care less about the Metroid series.

That might change.

 

[Deleted member]

Blocky boi is the best boi.

Him and Sans are locks, just you wait and see.

 

[Momotsuki]

Dark Samus is fun. I definitely enjoy using it.
Sol onset. I hope somebody gets this reference.

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

block gang rise up

I'm part of the superior "Block Gang"

 

[Deleted member]

I'm kind of sad that Dark Samus is not played much because of the tier lists, since she's soo cool in my opinion. I mean, that's why I have this profile picture, she looks really good with K. Rools cape.

If it makes you feel better, I actually play a lot of her! She's probably in my top 3 favorites to play as right now, honestly.

Why do people consider the Samuses bad again? I thought people were saying they were pretty good now.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

You've heard of Chrom's arm looking weird now get ready for

Spoiler: oof (large images)

That Falcon Punch must have left more side effects than initially thought

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

If it makes you feel better, I actually play a lot of her! She's probably in my top 3 favorites to play as right now, honestly.

Why do people consider the Samuses bad again? I thought people were saying they were pretty good now.

She lacks combos and is kinda slow.

 

[staindgrey]

Look, in my opinion if there's anyone that's gonna be cut, it would at least be one or two from Fire Emblem, which are probably Corrin, and (This sounds hurtful saying it) Lucina. Even people now know echo fighters don't take space, it still feels like there's a lot of them.

Here's my thoughts on it.

If the next Smash in 5-7 years really does cut back on total characters, I would honestly recommend keeping Marth, Robin and Corrin, as they are all unique movesets that also happen to represent the best selling games in the series (Marth was the star of four separate releases, and Awakening and Fates are the only titles to break 1million copies) and Ike sheerly for his obvious popularity as demonstrated in FEH. Then, for the sake of variety, I would use Roy's moveset for another swordsman, and then one unique moveset for an entirely new addition. That would bring the total to six, which isn't overbearing but still a decent representation of a series with 16 canonical games.

I know Roy fans would hate it in particular, not to mention Lucina and Chrom fans (me), but replacing the old guard with a new guard after the explosion of Fire Emblem's popularity makes the most sense to me. Corrin may be a dumb character from a dumb game, but it's still a very strong-selling game with a major fanbase despite its well-documented flaws, and she/he has probably the best rounded kit out of any FE character.

Personally, I'd go Marth, (OG gen) Robin, Corrin, (3DS Gen) Ike (GC/Wii Gen), Lyn (Roy's kit, GBA Gen) and one of Edelgard/Celica/Anna as the new member. That's an even split of male to female, no generation of FE is overrepresented, all the characters are well known in and out of the FE community, modern "anime style" FE fans are happy, classic FE fans are happy, and everything's fine.

...

That said, I would still try to wedge Lucina in as a Marth clone because I don't like that tipper anymore and I really want Lucina's moveset again. Plus she's Lucina.

 

[Gentlepanda]

You've heard of Chrom's arm looking weird now get ready for

Spoiler: oof (large images)

That Falcon Punch must have left more side effects than initially thought

hit me with that mickey mouse hand fam

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

You've heard of Chrom's arm looking weird now get ready for

Spoiler: oof (large images)

That Falcon Punch must have left more side effects than initially thought

I suppose he'll get that fixed another day

 

[Idon]

Lyn (Roy's kit, GBA Gen)

Okay, no.