Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[TMNTSSB4]

Ugh... 5 gods? How more lame could they get.

We could’ve had a 6th God...would that have been lame enough?

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I mean, I agree but if I can't taunt, repeatedly crouching is all I can do.

That's why people are clamoring for the return of taunts in online play.

They don't want to resort to such cause it's not as fun or interesting to look at.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Honestly I think the worst thing with the jerk rivals is that if they can't actually back up their words which makes all their posturing feel hollow and egotistical rather than threatening. Doesn't help that Barry is the sole rival I have ever actually felt threatened by in battle outside the league. He would legitimately just rush out of nowhere and challenge you, not because it was a trap for you, not to try to troll you, just because he was eager to have a battle with you. Oddly enough he starts posing a challenge for main game standards that I never felt from Blue or Silver fights, all while just being a big goofball.
Blue and Silver are great imo but I think being jerks isn't what made them great but how they started moving past that.

 

[Iridium]

We could’ve had a 6th God...would that have been lame enough?

Might as well have Leffen and Plup lead the demigods now.

 

[Bionichute]

Honestly I think the worst thing with the jerk rivals is that if they can't actually back up their words which makes all their posturing feel hollow and egotistical rather than threatening. Doesn't help that Barry is the sole rival I have ever actually felt threatened by in battle outside the league. He would legitimately just rush out of nowhere and challenge you, not because it was a trap for you, not to try to troll you, just because he was eager to have a battle with you. Oddly enough he starts posing a challenge for main game standards that I never felt from Blue or Silver fights, all while just being a big goofball.
Blue and Silver are great imo but I think being jerks isn't what made them great but how they started moving past that.

i feel the reason why people don't like it is because lets go is essentially a remake of red/blue/yellow, and gary/blue is a very iconic part of the game for a lot of people. the game in general kind of removed a lot of what make the original gen appealing in order to make it more marketable, so removing a pretty beloved character is just kind of salt in the wounds for some people

 

[Deleted member]

I mean, I agree but if I can't taunt, repeatedly crouching is all I can do.

I think teabagging is better than taunting sometimes. With taunts there’s a bit of ambiguity whether you’re actually taunting or are literally using the action the taunt conveys to express something, like wth Cloud’s sigh. With teabagging? Constant, pure malice.

 

[Wademan94]

he did both and hasn't atoned for either

Come on, the poor guy had to escort a crying baby across his island while dealing with a bratty turtle and his magical nanny and 20+ years later that same baby uses him as a footstool to cross large gaps and making him fall to his doom. Hasn’t Yoshi suffered enough?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Might as well have Leffen and Plup lead the demigods now.

or they stay in Ultimate, where no gods are allowed other than Palutena

 

[Deleted member]

That's why people are clamoring for the return of taunts in online play.

They don't want to resort to such cause it's not as fun or interesting to look at.

I mean, I also know that. Ultimate has kind of made me forgotten taunts are even a thing due to how I play mostly on Quickplay

 

[ZephyrZ]

It's a completely valid sentiment and I appreciate the quality over quantity they've been going with(as much as I like Unova, did we really need **** like Basculin, Heatmor or Durant?)

Okay Heatmor is ugly and I'm not so attached to Basculin for me to get upset over this, but don't you go disrespecting my mecha ant boi.

Is he good competitively? No. Is bug/steel a unique typing that's hardly been done before? Also no, but he reminds me of this stupid toy robot spider I had as a kid. I love him.

They really overdid it with the legendaries that gen though. Then they had to include those ugly and terrifying Therian forms for no reason other then "just because".

 

[Bionichute]

i think another reason why people miss rival characters that were jerks is because nobody actually cares about the rivals anymore (mostly the gen 6 ones tbf) because almost none of them have any real personality. ultimately i think its just another case of pokemon following tradition when it really shouldn't

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Still on sort of a break from here myself (happy new year) but i thought id put this here in case someone else didnt.

Hmmmmm. I dunno. On the one hand, I get what they're trying to go for. On the other hand, the implication that after a character gets in, they'd lose the spotlight....... doesn't really work when you consider how much people clamor for veterans to return.

I feel.... that logic only really applies to the ideal behind a character like Waluigi in-universe, constantly in the shadows and even still it seems ridiculous. And I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I feel it kinda cheapens the time people put into supporting these characters. Ain't no way you're gonna convince me that King K. ROOL ain't getting talked up to this day still. And that's not even covering Smash's knack for getting characters more noticed.

Especially considering the waves that Ridley still makes with the new "Big Time" hit.

A shame. I usually enjoy Wooden's work, but this one came off a bit as a miss, all things considered.

 

[MBRedboy31]

I mean, I agree but if I can't taunt, repeatedly crouching is all I can do.

Or, pick a character with some other kind of “taunt.” Like, say, spamming R.O.B.’s up tilt.

 

[Deleted member]

Hmmmmm. I dunno. On the one hand, I get what they're trying to go for. On the other hand, the implication that after a character gets in, they'd lose the spotlight....... doesn't really work when you consider how much people clamor for veterans to return.

I feel.... that logic only really applies to the ideal behind a character like Waluigi in-universe, constantly in the shadows and even still it seems ridiculous. And I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I feel it kinda cheapens the time people put into supporting these characters. Ain't no way you're gonna convince me that King K. ROOL ain't getting talked up to this day still. And that's not even covering Smash's knack for getting characters more noticed.

Especially considering the waves that Ridley still makes with the new "Big Time" hit.

A shame. I usually enjoy Wooden's work, but this one came off a bit as a miss, all things considered.

For what it’s worth, I honestly did not see many people talking about Ridley long after he was revealed. Other newcomers likely took the spotlight sure, but it did feel a bit jarring considering how much attention K Rool got.

 

[Iridium]

Something in me is getting impatient to see the new renders for the DLC characters. Just to analyze the amount of detail and things like that. Good thing the website should have that covered when it happens.

I mean, I also know that. Ultimate has kind of made me forgotten taunts are even a thing due to how I play mostly on Quickplay

Link's new side taunt is my favorite thing to see now, and I can't even use it on anyone...

 

[Opossum]

i think another reason why people miss rival characters that were jerks is because nobody actually cares about the rivals anymore (mostly the gen 6 ones tbf) because almost none of them have any real personality. ultimately i think its just another case of pokemon following tradition when it really shouldn't

Probably a pretty unpopular opinion, but I honestly think that Tierno is pretty underrated as a character and, by Pokémon's standards, is a fairly well-written character who actually develops throughout the story.

 

[KMDP]

Honestly I think the worst thing with the jerk rivals is that if they can't actually back up their words which makes all their posturing feel hollow and egotistical rather than threatening. Doesn't help that Barry is the sole rival I have ever actually felt threatened by in battle outside the league. He would legitimately just rush out of nowhere and challenge you, not because it was a trap for you, not to try to troll you, just because he was eager to have a battle with you. Oddly enough he starts posing a challenge for main game standards that I never felt from Blue or Silver fights, all while just being a big goofball.
Blue and Silver are great imo but I think being jerks isn't what made them great but how they started moving past that.

This is all true.

A lot of whether the rival can actually back up their words comes down to how well equipped you are to tackle them at that point in time. Beyond just how well trained you are and what Pokémon you have at that moment, someone playing blind won't see Blue coming on the SS Anne, for example, meaning they might not have healed for him, making him more challenging.

 

[Idon]

ARE WE HAVING A POKEMON RIVAL DISCUSSION?

 

[Deleted member]

Probably a pretty unpopular opinion, but I honestly think that Tierno is pretty underrated as a character and, by Pokémon's standards, is a fairly well-written character who actually develops throughout the story.

This is a pretty decent write-up, and it interesting that GF gave the rivals some personality and development however small. The big problem with me for the XY rivals was that they were just so forgettable. Felt like none of them did anything of importance at all. The fact that there were 4 of them didn’t help either.

 

[Graizen]

Ok , a question for you guys:

In 2015 Bowser and Donkey Kong entered Skylanders as Nintendo and Actvision partnered.

You guys think this can result in one or two character from Actvision joining Smash now?

Crash and Spyro

 

[Deleted member]

So, let's say you're in charge of an upcoming fighting game, and you're asked to choose 3 guest characters for the roster.
Your handed a list to choose from 10 fighters. Of the 10, which 3 would you choose?

• Link
• Samus
• Dante
• Lloyd Irving
• Bayonetta
• Noctis
• 2B
• Soma Cruz
• Doomguy
• Ryu Hayabusa

 

[Bionichute]

Ok , a question for you guys:

In 2015 Bowser and Donkey Kong entered Skylanders as Nintendo and Actvision partnered.

You guys think this can result in one or two character from Actvision joining Smash now?

Crash and Spyro

not when activision is in the middle of dying

 

[KMDP]

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ARE WE HAVING A POKEMON RIVAL DISCUSSION?

WE ARE!

Feel free to throw in your two cents.

 

[Idon]

Just got matched with a guy that was doing hazardless 3-stock stamina... as megaman.

I have to say, I haven't ever said I've wanted to tell a guy he's wrong for playing the way he does, but that guy was wrong for playing the way he did.

 

[Wademan94]

So, let's say you're in charge of an upcoming fighting game, and you're asked to choose 3 guest characters for the roster.
Your handed a list to choose from 10 fighters. Of the 10, which 3 would you choose?

• Link
• Samus
• Dante
• Lloyd Irving
• Bayonetta
• Noctis
• 2B
• Soma Cruz
• Doomguy
• Ryu Hayabusa

I mean it’s kinda hard to determine without any context to what the fighting game is like...

 

[Deleted member]

I mean it’s kinda hard to determine without any context to what the fighting game is like...

Ah, right. Damn it.

Alright, so let's the fighting game you're developing is a 2D fighting game similar to games like Marvel vs Capcom, Guilty Gear, and Dragon Ball FighterZ.

 

[Will]

not when activision is in the middle of dying

nah call of duty will save them

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ah, right. Damn it.

Alright, so let's the fighting game you're developing is a 2D fighting game similar to games like Marvel vs Capcom, Guilty Gear, and Dragon Ball FighterZ.

So, let's say you're in charge of an upcoming fighting game, and you're asked to choose 3 guest characters for the roster.
Your handed a list to choose from 10 fighters. Of the 10, which 3 would you choose?

• Link
• Samus
• Dante
• Lloyd Irving
• Bayonetta
• Noctis
• 2B
• Soma Cruz
• Doomguy
• Ryu Hayabusa

In that case... Dante, Ryu Hayabusa, Lloyrd Irving. Not that the others aren't great, but I think they all can be interesting in this format. Samus is a contender. Link we've seen via Soul Calibur, so seeing more newbies to this style is cool.

 

[Will]

Marvel vs Capcom, Guilty Gear, and Dragon Ball FighterZ.

one of these things is not like the other

 

[Deleted member]

one of these things is not like the other

Or Blazblue. That might be a better comparision.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

not when activision is in the middle of dying

Again? What's happening this time?

For what it’s worth, I honestly did not see many people talking about Ridley long after he was revealed. Other newcomers likely took the spotlight sure, but it did feel a bit jarring considering how much attention K Rool got.

Ehhhhh, maybe before Ultimate came out, and even then, that's debatable, but afterwards? Nah, Ridley and the newcomers get talked up for better or for worse.

I mean, suggesting that getting into SMASH of all things, somehow has you forgotten amongst the masses is never gonna be something to say with a straight face.

Now if the twist were Ridley messing with Waluigi with a statement like that, it'd make more sense.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay Heatmor is ugly and I'm not so attached to Basculin for me to get upset over this, but don't you go disrespecting my mecha ant boi.

Is he good competitively? No. Is bug/steel a unique typing that's hardly been done before? Also no, but he reminds me of this stupid toy robot spider I had as a kid. I love him.

They really overdid it with the legendaries that gen though. Then they had to include those ugly and terrifying Therian forms for no reason other then "just because".

If you're gonna talk about overdone Legendaries, you should be looking at Sinnoh.
And hey, the the Therian trio was cool!

 

[RyuhoFox]

This is a pretty decent write-up, and it interesting that GF gave the rivals some personality and development however small. The big problem with me for the XY rivals was that they were just so forgettable. Felt like none of them did anything of importance at all. The fact that there were 4 of them didn’t help either.

The issue with the XY rivals was that outside one of them none of them are actually competing with you for the same thing, your goal and theirs are two completely different things. They aren't aiming to be champions, they want to do their own things. Outside the main rival whom you actually kind of crush their self worth for a while. Outside the main one they are less rivals and more a band of friends traveling together. They aren't going to pose a threat to you or do much with the world ending plot or league since that isn't their goal in the first place. Though it seems Tierno was helping on the sidelines for the flare arc at least

 

[Wademan94]

Ah, right. Damn it.

Alright, so let's the fighting game you're developing is a 2D fighting game similar to games like Marvel vs Capcom, Guilty Gear, and Dragon Ball FighterZ.

Alright, I guess I’d say Dante, Noctis and Soma Cruz, for some reason those 3 fit well together for me

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I need to get back into Pokémon. The new ones just haven't interested me much.

I was never a fan of the whole change to give a friendly rival. I thought that Silver was one of the best ones in the series, considering there was a minor amount of character development. Pity that the confirmation that he was related to Giovanni was only linked to an event in HGSS.

And yeah, I'm not a fan of the legendary overload. I bristled at the overload in Gen III, but Gen IV was when it got ridiculous. I agree about the fact that everything seems weird being second to the Pokémon League - and now since they basically give you a free legendary, it's easy enough to go own the league if you want. I preferred the legends to be few, hard to catch, and post-game content.

The issue with the XY rivals was that outside one of them none of them are actually competing with you for the same thing, your goal and theirs are two completely different things. They aren't aiming to be champions, they want to do their own things. Outside the main rival whom you actually kind of crush their self worth for a while. Outside the main one they are less rivals and more a band of friends traveling together. They aren't going to pose a threat to you or do much with the world ending plot or league since that isn't their goal in the first place. Though it seems Tierno was helping on the sidelines for the flare arc at least

Oddly, I could handle the XY rivals since they did have different goals, and I thought because of that that Serena was the weakest of them all. Still got bored with the game half way though though...

 

[Idon]

The issue is that a "rival" in the context of a videogame is more than just a character. A rival should challenge you within both the game's mechanics and story. That's why people like rivals and why we're invested in beating them.
If they don't do that, then they're not really rivals to begin with and fighting them feels hollow because you're neither challenged nor invested in overcoming someone of equal or greater skill level. Within both the context of the narrative and the context of this being a goddamn video-game, it fails. If you want to re-contextualize the XY band as more of their own people invested in their own interests, that's fine, but that still means that XY doesn't have a good rival character or hell, any decent challenger at all.

 

[AndreaAC]

Hmmmmm. I dunno. On the one hand, I get what they're trying to go for. On the other hand, the implication that after a character gets in, they'd lose the spotlight....... doesn't really work when you consider how much people clamor for veterans to return.

I feel.... that logic only really applies to the ideal behind a character like Waluigi in-universe, constantly in the shadows and even still it seems ridiculous. And I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I feel it kinda cheapens the time people put into supporting these characters. Ain't no way you're gonna convince me that King K. ROOL ain't getting talked up to this day still. And that's not even covering Smash's knack for getting characters more noticed.

Especially considering the waves that Ridley still makes with the new "Big Time" hit.

A shame. I usually enjoy Wooden's work, but this one came off a bit as a miss, all things considered.

I see what you mean, you are right, despite the Too Big Meme almost disappearing (which, I still use at times for funsies), that doesn't mean that Ridley lost any attention (And his reveal generated more things like: The still stabbed Megaman/Broken Neck Mario, Ridley kills little friends, the Asserting Dominance taunt, etc) . I mean, yeah, things are way more calm without the constant arguing of two factions and that now we feel at ease after 17 years; which I am honestly glad about. When it comes to the comic, I love the style and I wish I could do something like that, but I see your point.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

So what? Nobody would win the game and nothing would change. It doesn't effect anything.

I think it's just another page in the book of why removing something as ingrained as taunts from online is inane.

 

[Noipoi]

When it comes to the comic, I love the style and I wish I could do something like that

You totally could! I don't see what's stopping you.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I think I just experienced my first ragequit. It was against a Villager player who was struggling to land a kill move on my Ivyaur. Partway through landing one of my nairs the previously unlaggy game just completely froze for a minute and then my opponent started playing like a CPU, doing weird things like down smashing while I was under the platform below them or throwing a pocketed Razor Leaf at me point blank. I didn't earn any GSP afterwards and let me tell you I'm salty about that because approaching a Villager is not easy or fun.

If you can't take not being able to kill don't play Villager. And if you can't take someone playing defensive to avoid setting themselves up for a KO, then for mother of Arceus don't main Villager you hypocrite.