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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.

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Jovahexeon Joranvexeon

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Knight Dude said:
A lot of people tend to mention Crash and/or Banjo, so between those two, you gotta pick one. Who would you add?
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Crash Bandicoot in a heartbeat. I was quite the Sony baby back in the 90s (literally grew up with the Playstation lineage until 7th gen). Would be great to see him meeting up with "Plumber Boy" again.
 
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ClaTheBae said:
I think it's hideous but sure agree to disagree.
And besides Palutena's temple or new pork city, what is worse than Hanenbow
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Rumble Falls...

It's just a nuisance to play on
If you hit that one stupid spike, it's game over for you
Knight Dude said:
A lot of people tend to mention Crash and/or Banjo, so between those two, you gotta pick one. Who would you add?
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Crash.

The last of the three 90's console war greats, who have yet to appear in Smash
 
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ClaTheBae said:
Everyone quit fighting please let's just order a pizza and talk about why we don't like hanenbow
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I actually think hanenbow is very cute but I usually play on the battlefield or omega versions of the stage, I love that remix they made for it which includes a sample of E.G.G.M.A.N. from Sonic Adventure 2.

On other news, apparently there's going to be an update next week but unfortunately replays still gets killed by updates... I really wish they fixed that problem.
 
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Arymle Roseanne said:
but unfortunately replays still gets killed by updates... I really wish they fixed that problem.
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You'd have to convert them to videos. The way non-video replays work is that they tell the game what inputs to use, only taking into consideration the balance of one version of the game.
 
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Hey howdy hey, here's something to give to you
 
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Really? Another patch so soon?


I wonder what it's supposed to fix.
 
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Huh, Dr. Mario has one of the strongest back throws in the game apparently.

Interesting.
 
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Hopefully no gameplay changes asides from fixing input lag. It's too early to buff/nerf characters, especially with no major tournaments to go off of.

Really hoping it's an online fix for the patch.
 
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Knight Dude said:
A lot of people tend to mention Crash and/or Banjo, so between those two, you gotta pick one. Who would you add?
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**** that's really hard.

I guess i'll say Banjo because he was such a big part of a lot of people's childhood's like myself as well as being a staple of the N64-era. Not only that but so many people want the character in Smash and it would be a dream come true to have him apart of the roster, myself being one of those people.
 
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Wyoming said:
ROB was a given, he saved the industry
Wii Fit Trainer was a given, Wii Fit was a phenomenon
Cloud was a given, Final Fantasy 7 is the best game ever.
Joker was a given, Persona in Smash was, like, gonna happen since Brawl.

Can't we just admit we don't know **** for once lol
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As it should be. So far, Smash doesn't disappoint when it comes to cool surprises. Some people pick out boring character choices because they're predictable, easy, "relevant" and cash-magnets, but fail to give some of the darkhorses and improbables their limelight. Is any character expected? Only some are, but not all.

Despite that, it's important to remember that unexpected character choices aren't mutually-exclusive with surprises. Some are unexpected because of character notions and/or the "not popular enough" argument, but once that character gets into Smash, you can justify their inclusion with reasoning. If not for Joker, a Persona rep would still be in the cards.

There are more promotional picks in Smash than there are occasional Wild Cards (inb4 Persona protagonist joke), but I feel like our most recent addition is a hybrid of the two. Joker comes from the Persona series, which is a spin-off of the Shin Megami Tensei series. He's the most recent addition in the Persona series, and will most likely not be the last one we see.

The expectation-half of Joker's inclusion is that the Persona series is not as niche as some make it out to be. The franchise has been long-running even before Pokemon (especially if you count the novels they were based on). It's perfectly reasonable to assume we would get one at one point or another, and we kinda have Sega to partially thank for. Remember the freak-out back then? Ahaha, I was one of those people too...

Shin Megami Tensei as a whole is a very historical RPG series and its demon system is a staple of the franchise. To treat Joker's inclusion as someone entirely weird and out-there would be a huge disservice to him, considering what he brings to the table. Nintendo saw this and decided to capitalize on it, because there is merit to the character. We need to stop treating newcomer choices as if they make no sense.

My biggest pet-peeve with this fandom is that whenever a X, Y, or Z is announced, people go overboard with their inclusions. False Equivalency abound. Examples:
"OMG, NO WAY! JOHN DOE MADE IT IN SOMEHOW! ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE NOW, RULES DUN EXITS, BRING ON OMEGA TOM HANKS!"
"Ugh...I thought this was Smash, not MUGEN. I guess Goku and Spongebob are going to happen sooner or later..."
"Wow, Sakurai did it again! Master Chief, Goomba, Metroid, Octoroks, James Bond, and Kratos are locks, guys! I know this because Piranha Plant made it so that anything can happen!"

Luigi The President said:
No he actually was wrong. He stated numerous times the Squenix rep would be the first pick.
He doesn't deserve to be attacked at all obviously-but he was wrong.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is a ton of misinformation post-launch. Verge isn't purposefully wrong about his info, because he has good reason to trust his sources. However, one of two things is happening: Assuming he's correct about the Square character, he was merely wrong about when they would be announced.

Alternatively, it's red-herring info that was fed to his sources this time around, since DLC is a different monster altogether. Is this the Grinchleak 2: Electric Boogaloo? No, of course not. It's more to do with the fact that no one knows the line-up and we have absolutely nothing to go off on. Verge (and Hitagi) are likely as confused as we are.
 
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Knight Dude said:
A lot of people tend to mention Crash and/or Banjo, so between those two, you gotta pick one. Who would you add?
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Probably Banjo, but I think both characters are good, as someone who isn't particularly attached to either one.

I also really hope this new patch adds some more control in your options online. It sucks to queue up for a 1v1 stock match and get put into a 4 man FFA.

Otherwise, I'm hoping for no early nerfs. Game's been out not even a week, should let the metagame breathe.
 
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Shishœ said:
Jovahexeon Joranvexeon Jovahexeon Joranvexeon
Please quote my post where I said Cloud was expected. I can save you the trouble by telling you there's none. Please read my posts properly.
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Twas under the inkling you were in agreement with Vaanrose on the matter, especially since Cloud being unexpected kinda shoots the argument in the foot.

I'll admit, that was an assumption on my part, and I apologize for such.
 
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Yonder said:
Hopefully no gameplay changes asides from fixing input lag. It's too early to buff/nerf characters, especially with no major tournaments to go off of.

Really hoping it's an online fix for the patch.
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Honestly I think it is for the online, and some bugs they may have found.

I agree with the nerf/buffing. But it affects replays then the gameplay will be touched. Could be the bugs, I suppose, but I digress.
 
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KarneraMythos said:
As it should be. So far, Smash doesn't disappoint when it comes to cool surprises. Some people pick out boring character choices because they're predictable, easy, "relevant" and cash-magnets, but fail to give some of the darkhorses and improbables their limelight. Is any character expected? Only some are, but not all.

Despite that, it's important to remember that unexpected character choices aren't mutually-exclusive with surprises. Some are unexpected because of character notions and/or the "not popular enough" argument, but once that character gets into Smash, you can justify their inclusion with reasoning. If not for Joker, a Persona rep would still be in the cards.

There are more promotional picks in Smash than there are occasional Wild Cards (inb4 Persona protagonist joke), but I feel like our most recent addition is a hybrid of the two. Joker comes from the Persona series, which is a spin-off of the Shin Megami Tensei series. He's the most recent addition in the Persona series, and will most likely not be the last one we see.

The expectation-half of Joker's inclusion is that the Persona series is not as niche as some make it out to be. The franchise has been long-running even before Pokemon (especially if you count the novels they were based on). It's perfectly reasonable to assume we would get one at one point or another, and we kinda have Sega to partially thank for. Remember the freak-out back then? Ahaha, I was one of those people too...

Shin Megami Tensei as a whole is a very historical RPG series and its demon system is a staple of the franchise. To treat Joker's inclusion as someone entirely weird and out-there would be a huge disservice to him, considering what he brings to the table. Nintendo saw this and decided to capitalize on it, because there is merit to the character. We need to stop treating newcomer choices as if they make no sense.

My biggest pet-peeve with this fandom is that whenever a X, Y, or Z is announced, people go overboard with their inclusions. False Equivalency abound. Examples:
"OMG, NO WAY! JOHN DOE MADE IT IN SOMEHOW! ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE NOW, RULES DUN EXITS, BRING ON OMEGA TOM HANKS!"
"Ugh...I thought this was Smash, not MUGEN. I guess Goku and Spongebob are going to happen sooner or later..."
"Wow, Sakurai did it again! Master Chief, Goomba, Metroid, Octoroks, James Bond, and Kratos are locks, guys! I know this because Piranha Plant made it so that anything can happen!"


I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is a ton of misinformation post-launch. Verge isn't purposefully wrong about his info, because he has good reason to trust his sources. However, one of two things is happening: Assuming he's correct about the Square character, he was merely wrong about when they would be announced.

Alternatively, it's red-herring info that was fed to his sources this time around, since DLC is a different monster altogether. Is this the Grinchleak 2: Electric Boogaloo? No, of course not. It's more to do with the fact that no one knows the line-up and we have absolutely nothing to go off on. Verge (and Hitagi) are likely as confused as we are.
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Never stated he was purposefully wrong. Just that he was wrong.
Being so definite about the Squenix characters announcement-way beyond "well it MAY be the first one"-tips me off something is up regarding DLC.
 
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Here's a way to look at it.

With Smash 4, a lot of the base roster was leaked pre-ESRB leak. Hell almost all of it was. And the ESRB leak leaked everyone.

The Smash 4 DLC, though?
The only leak was Nintendo's own, the infamous "Roy and Ryu in the files" slip-up. There was NO OTHER outright leak about any of the DLC characters besides that. Perhaps Tansut's Cloud hint right before the Direct, but that's just about it.

Perhaps that'll stay true for Ultimate.
 
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Okay, I've been hearing a lot of complaints about the online function for this game, Is it really that bad? I just got the game a few days ago, and was planning to buy Nintendo Switch Online just for it. Can someone tell me what makes the online in Ultimate terrible? I might wait until its fixed to buy the NSO.
 
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Plumstar said:
Okay, I've been hearing a lot of complaints about the online function for this game, Is it really that bad? I just got the game a few days ago, and was planning to buy Nintendo Switch Online just for it. Can someone tell me what makes the online in Ultimate terrible? I might wait until its fixed to buy the NSO.
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Matchmaking doesn't work properly, putting you in random matches with settings you didn't ask for.
 
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Luigi The President said:
Here's a way to look at it.

With Smash 4, a lot of the base roster was leaked pre-ESRB leak. Hell almost all of it was. And the ESRB leak leaked everyone.

The Smash 4 DLC, though?
The only leak was Nintendo's own, the infamous "Roy and Ryu in the files" slip-up. There was NO OTHER outright leak about any of the DLC characters besides that. Perhaps Tansut's Cloud hint right before the Direct, but that's just about it.

Perhaps that'll stay true for Ultimate.
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I hope so...
The reactions to Joker were pure and genuine, and it was nice to see that in a time where leaks are common, that a reveal like this, was just a surprise for us...
 
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